GA - Winder - Apalachee High School school shooting, 4 dead, 9 injured *father and son arrested*

[GoBuckeyes]

Well, the goal here was to alert the parent to a concern. It was not supposed to be confrontational, after all, the child had not broken any laws. And LEO did their job, although, I think that the child should have been evaluated by a professional for danger to himself and others. And based on that assessment, a judge could have mandated counseling. They didn't go there.

Police are not professionally trained professional psychologists, and I think that the mental health aspect is often minimized by law enforcement. They really were making a "judgement" call on mental health, and should have made sure that the child was actually assessed by a psychologist. MOO.

I guess that they "assumed" that the parent was responsible and would take the alert seriously. I think that they could have also offered trigger locks at the time for his guns. Out of an abundance of caution. I know our police department has boxes of those, anyone who wants a handful can have them for free.

Yes, ours does, too. That would have been a great thing to have with them and to offer. I like your idea.

 

[mickey2942]

Yes, ours does, too. That would have been a great thing to have with them and to offer. I like your idea.

Thank you. MOO is that every single gun in the United States should be secured with a trigger lock. Guns should come with one. That would solve many of the problems we have with unsecured guns.

No trigger lock on gun, and it was used in any type of incident with an injury, automatic one year sentence. No excuses.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Thank you. MOO is that every single gun in the United States should be secured with a trigger lock. Guns should come with one. That would solve many of the problems we have with unsecured guns.

No trigger lock on gun, and it was used in any type of incident with an injury, automatic one year sentence. No excuses.

I can't agree with you there. If someone is breaking into my home, I don't need to be monkeying around trying to unlock the trigger lock to protect myself and others. (But I don't have a 14 year-old in the home who is chronically absent from school and punching holes in my walls, and threatening people.) moo

 

[Rita7]

I also get the impression the father 100% knew the kid was off and decided to arm him instead of seeking help.

I get the same hunch, mOOcOw. What a parent would literally put a deadly weapon in his troubled son's hands?!
Obviously, Colt's father and mother both failed as parents.
Further, very important lesson is that not only the teen is facing serious criminal charges but his father is facing criminal charges as well. Thus, that case is a precedent for how parents should be legally held accountable for their underage children's crimes.
IMOO

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1833387856275947664

 

[Elley Mae]

I have a feeling it was colt on discord the year prior.

 

[iamshadow21]

I have a feeling it was colt on discord the year prior.

Oh, absolutely. I don't think anyone but his dad believed his 'i was hacked' story.

I think even the FBI probably thought it was a lie, but couldn't prove it, so didn't have probable cause to investigate deeper.

MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I agree 1000%.

I’m very taken aback after watching this.

I mean no offense to our friends here from the South, but this conversation is like a movie version stereotype of “good ole boys” just shootin’ the breeze.

WAY too much talking from the dad, WAY too few questions from LE, WAY too nonchalant with CG, WAY too much taking what the Grays say at face value.

Is this actually some kind of tactic that works well in a small town? Cops take it kind of easy as they question you, as a means to get you to talk and reveal more?
Because if not, I don’t get this at all.

A NYC cop would have shut that father down instantly. Without letting him tell his sob story first. It would be more like “send your kid out now or we are coming in.” And I’m astonished that they let the dad go inside alone to get CG without a cop escorting him in…that gives the father and son a few minutes of privacy in which they could get their stories straight.

Wow. Very disappointing. And tragedy ensued.

I’m very pro-LE but this was a huge letdown.

All JMO

I live on the Florida Georgia line... definitely the way it goes. all the time.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

This statistics-based article sheds light on causes of school shootings and solutions.

Georgia High School Shooting Shows How Hard It Can Be To Take Action Even With Warning Signs

Police, parents and officials need to act upon warning signs that school shooters almost always give well before they open fire.

www.civilbeat.org

Inspired by past school shooters, some perpetrators are seeking fame and notoriety. However, most school mass shooters are driven by despair and generalized anger; over 80% of school mass shooters showed signs of a crisis before the shooting, including depression, mood swings, agitation, isolation, trouble with daily tasks and other noticeable behavior changes.

Most importantly, over 90% leaked their plans ahead of time to others, preempting their attacks by leaving posts, messages or videos warning of their intent. School shooters communicate their intent to do harm in advance as a final, desperate cry for help.

The key to stopping these tragedies is being alert to these warning signs and acting on them immediately. Even if investigators don’t have enough evidence for an arrest, they can continually monitor students and help connect them to school- or community-based services or interventions, including peer-mentoring or mental health treatment. Simply criminalizing or punishing threats increases the risk for violence by worsening grievances with the school.
BBM

The article ends by begging parents to lock up their guns and ammunition separately.

I think we were all, in the beginning, shocked a bit because of his age. And now we are normalized to this fact.

I remarked at the very beginning of this case that we have to address Males between 10-14.
(And some girls too)
Bullying is extensive, lie spreading is common, family drug issues etc etc etc...

Where is that ol "Big Brother" organization these days???

 

[CredibleSauce]

But no one is asking why this kid hates school?
It looks like he has had more than one Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE). Which is the root of the problem. Divorce, parents with mental health and substance abuse, witnessing and experiencing domestic abuse and neglect all add up, they have been studying this for years. It's not a surprise this kid is not coping well. It was almost predicted. There are so many kids like him, he is not unique.

Just add access to a killing tool.

Is there much discussed in the US about why there are likely just as many neglected, traumatised and angry teenaged girls in high schools but it seems largely boys who carry out these attacks?
Hypothetically, if we’re profiling spree killers, why should CG’s background raise red flags (excluding the posts that were obviously his imo) but the same background doesn’t raise red flags for his sister?

 

[iamshadow21]

Is there much discussed in the US about why there are likely just as many neglected, traumatised and angry teenaged girls in high schools but it seems largely boys who carry out these attacks?
Hypothetically, if we’re profiling spree killers, why should CG’s background raise red flags (excluding the posts that were obviously his imo) but the same background doesn’t raise red flags for his sister?

It's a gross generalisation, but males tend to externalise, females tend to internalise.

MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Is there much discussed in the US about why there are likely just as many neglected, traumatised and angry teenaged girls in high schools but it seems largely boys who carry out these attacks?
Hypothetically, if we’re profiling spree killers, why should CG’s background raise red flags (excluding the posts that were obviously his imo) but the same background doesn’t raise red flags for his sister?

I was editing my post just before I read your post...
Yes girls too... but their normal outrage results in different outcomes..

I knew some girls that had 'Big Sisters" back in another lifetime. The relationships really helped influence their well-being. But if I recall correctly, it was always so much harder trying to find "big brothers' to help males. I knew of a male who had a "big sister" though. so long ago...

 

[Inthedetails]

Oh, absolutely. I don't think anyone but his dad believed his 'i was hacked' story.

I think even the FBI probably thought it was a lie, but couldn't prove it, so didn't have probable cause to investigate deeper.

MOO

That's what I'm thinking too. And I think the LE officers were trying to do the right thing by encouraging him to do well in school, set goals, etc, when it might have been better to have one of officers do a "scared straight" approach of laying down the law that violence is always wrong, threats are wrong and illegal, and the FBI has ways of tracing internet postings. And to be firm with the dad about securing guns.

I didn't mind the encouraging words of the officers, but there also needed to be some stern words - and that would've been appropriate even if the Colt wasn't the one who posted on Discord.

But, hindsight is 20/20 of course.

jmo

 

[pandamonium]

We recently had rumors on social media with a hit list targeting local schools in our area (northern NV). Thank goodness LE took it seriously. It was announced they arrested a 12 year old. 12 . . . scary stuff. I hope all schools are taking rumors or threats seriously as we have all seen too many of these tragic events unfold--some of which likely could have been prevented.

 

[Dotta]

" 'He would call Colt names to his face,'
says a relative of Colt's mother.

'Names that no boy wants to hear:
sissy, p***y, …
just names that were meant to break him down and emasculate him'.

'Colin always thought that Colt was too gentle and tender.
That’s why I believe he gave him the rifle'."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1833484104014127157

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1833484104014127157

Jumping off my own post...

I don't think the boy's face was smeared with dead animal's blood.

I noticed his unhealthily red cheeks in other pictures
(mugshot, Police cam video).

It looks like untreated rosacea skin.
One more element to his terrible existence.

Horrid and unhinged parents,
toxic home environment,
school bullying.

How come nobody intervened?







Photos' links upthread

JMO