General Discussion and Theories #3

[swedie]

The significance of memorials. HTH.

Roadside memorial
A roadside memorial is a marker that usually commemorates a site where a person died suddenly and unexpectedly, away from home.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_memorial"]Roadside memorial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The memorials witness primarily to the spiritual significance of place. Their role is to mark the very spot where life was lost.

The memorials usually consist of a number of separate elements including a cross, flowers, and a plaque with names, dates and sometimes messages of grief. Variations are found – a bunch of flowers tied to a guide-post, silk flowers woven in and out of a fence line for a metre or more, or a large construction that looks uncannily like a grave site in any old cemetery.

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/stories/s1000839.htm

Lady Diana's memorial left by mourners.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=lady...m%2Fphotos%2Fdarrellg%2F6819302599%2F;640;426

 

[Arnie M]

The overhead pictures and videos of the farm do not give a true picture of how "secluded" the farm fields actually are .

swedie provided good reports and accurate descriptions of how well hidden everything is beyond the barn.

Anyone on the road or in the neighbors yards would not be able to see those fields , probably even vehicle headlights at night or generator could go unnoticed.

It is not the greatest picture posted below .... but you can use the motorcycle rider as a reference to get an idea how high the hill is .

Like swedie said , the terrain beyond the barn is very secluded.

The hill to the right of the motorcycle is at least 15-20 feet above the road surface.
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[Arnie M]

I would like to know if the Hangar had a paint spray booth in it .... or who does DM's car painting etc.

The stolen Harley trailer originally had a light silver grey metallic paint on the lower portion .... and once in the hands of DM & associates they changed it to a drab grey color on the bottom , plus replaced the sticker on the front upper.

That drab grey color looks very similar to the re-paint on the wood chipper in the hangar .... which looks an awful lot like the same model chipper stolen in Oakville Jan 2012 (LE are looking into the chipper theft & DM)

It is rare to repaint a wood chipper in the first place , and very unusual to paint it dull grey .... what would be the purpose other than to disguise it ? .... equipment like that is always bright red or yellow mostly for safety reasons (visibility) .... certainly the one in DM's hangar has recent paint. Coincidence ?? I doubt it.

Incidentally used Vermeer chippers of that model sell for about $24k. My mind keeps going to Willie Pickton using a chipper and feeding the remains to the pigs ... brilliant but messy and turned out to be the eventual undoing of Pickton .... maybe some recent "smarter guys" came to the conclusion cremation was a more foolproof method.

The wood chipper could just be some of the stolen car type inventory in a chop shop operation. A hungry druggie could get about $2k to haul it to a stolen/chop operation.

Trouble is my mind keeps wanting to think incinerators and chippers were part of a macabre plan done with the intention of outsmarting LE better than even Willie did ..... Willie almost got away with it .

Some paint comparison pictures below ....

 

[Arnie M]

I also meant to point out that the white wheels rims were all painted dull grey , and so is everything on the trailer on the flat deck of the tow truck ....

There is a pattern here .

 

[Murphys_Law]

I was reviewing some of the earliest farm search photos and video footage and came across the photo/attachment below. I do not believe this has been posted here on Websleuths.

IMO, this is possibly the back of a burnt out seat frame. As a point of reference I have also posted a bare seat frame for a Dodge Durango, whose seat frames are similar in construction.

What do you think?

 

[redheart]

Wow, great catch Murphys Law. I hadn't noticed that picture before. Sure looks like a Dodge seat frame in the comparison. Interesting that it was found in the middle of the field - like a job unfinished.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I was reviewing some of the earliest farm search photos and video footage and came across the photo/attachment below. I do not believe this has been posted here on Websleuths.

IMO, this is possibly the back of a burnt out seat frame. As a point of reference I have also posted a bare seat frame for a Dodge Durango, whose seat frames are similar in construction.

What do you think?

I think you're looking at the shadow of the LE on foot, and the shadow of the LE on the horse, say 11ish or 1:00 pm depending on whether the LE is facing E or W.

 

[matou]

I definitely see a rusted metal object on the ground at the officer's feet.

 

[Hawkygirl]

I see the shadows, but I also definitely see an object and it sure looks like the seat frame in the other picture. I've seen a lot of photos, but never this one. Great find!

 

[Murphys_Law]

You could well be right SuperDuper...in fact that is exactly what I thought back in May. That said, when I enlarge the photo I do see the shadows stretching beyond what I now see as a 3D object not unlike the remains of a seat frame.

 

[ArianeEmory]

You could well be right SuperDuper...in fact that is exactly what I thought back in May. That said, when I enlarge the photo I do see the shadows stretching beyond what I now see as a 3D object not unlike the remains of a seat frame.

Yeah, zooming it becomes obvious there is a solid object there that is separate from the shadow.

 

[swedie]

Once again I listened to this video and cannot help but wonder if GC (a defense lawyer) and RMcLean know a few facts. This discussion took place the day DM was arrested. I posted my opinion and video some time ago, but I still think there is some truth to this information. MOO

At about 16:00 GC mentions TB was burned in a barrel. This has got me thinking DM and MS had taken a couple of barrels from the barn and put them in the field and that is why there were two scorch marks on the ground. Did they burn TB in one barrel and the truck seat(s) in the other? I still believe the incinerator was the intended equipment they planned on using, but for some reason it wasn't used; ran out of propane, trouble starting it or no hydro back in the bush, no generator or a noisy one. Did they haul it to the field where the neighbour saw it sitting, but could not use it for whatever reason prompting them to retrieve a barrel or two from the barn? Did LE haul the incinerator away because TB's blood was inside? Initially did DM and MS put TB inside the incinerator but then it failed to work for them?

I believe whatever happened TB was not meant to be murdered and that lead to lack of pre planning after the fact.

I also believe this could be part of the reason why LE were back recently to the barn and the barrels gained further interest. I do not think LE missed them on their first search, but they were irrelevant at that time until further testing was done. The last search started on September 9th and it wasn't until the 13th when they seemed focused on the barrels. That leads me to believe LE were doing a methodical search and they also needed to arrange for the hazardous material team, equipment and trucks. IMO I do not think the barrels were hidden in the barn and I bet many pictures were taken inside the barn during the initial search. ALL MOO.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDhn6rOuBA&noredirect=1"]Ross McLean, Crime Specialist Interview on Tim Bosma Murder - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Archangel7]

 

[swedie]

SillyBilly, you may find this part of the video interesting around 11:00, where it is discussed about DM being known to LE and what DP stated in regards to him "knowing" of or his encounter with DP through another client of DP. Really raises many questions as to DM being involved in illegal activities. Drugs, vehicle theft, prostitutes are a few things which come to my mind. It is just my opinion, but I think DM was known to LE but was previously able to ward off charges or arrests. MOO.

Then around 14:30 it's discussed about DM being "shocked" and GC says it just goes to prove DM has some acting skills. <modsnip> AND how it's not uncommon for defense lawyers go on about how their client like this and sometimes the accused end up pleading guilty. I guess that could still happen depending on the evidence the Crown has against him. Then again DP may want to vigorously fight this case for the money and gain a bit of popularity. :moo:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDhn6rOuBA&noredirect=1"]Ross McLean, Crime Specialist Interview on Tim Bosma Murder - YouTube[/ame]

 

[swedie]

Maybe it's DM's man purse. hwow: It's obviously something LE are interested in. Looks like it could have been burnt but not at that location. More evidence, good find ML. MOO

 

[swedie]

A tent was set up outside the barn where other officers monitored the police going into the barn, recording the time in and out of the barn.

On Thursday, police removed some items from the area around the barn, and marked an area on a concrete slab with chalk.

The focus appeared to be inside the barn on Friday.

Waterloo Regional Police and firefighters were directing traffic around the distraction along the busy, two-lane paved road.

The Bolton, Ont.-based OPP team has expertise in identifying vapours, liquids and crystals. It was formed after the 9/11 terrorist attack 12 years ago to deal with biological, chemical, nuclear, radiological and explosive dangers. The team is made of 23 officers and four dogs. The dogs were not at the Millard property.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...s-join-search-at-millard-farm-near-roseville/

 

[Murphys_Law]

A large pile of materials behind the barn (that seemed to have first appeared on the morning of September 9th) has me baffled. (see thumbnail - closeup).
The objects appear to be new as opposed to used materials, although I can't be certain.

Questions:
1. Did one of the support teams (UCRT perhaps?) bring these objects in support of the search, or were they always present and taken out of the barn on Monday Sep 9th?

2. Can you identify any of the objects?

I have one theory I am working on, but I will withhold those thoughts to avoid biasing the discussion.

Background Information

This CTVNews video clip taken Monday Sep 9th between 8:00am and noon.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=999641
It shows an aerial view of the pile of materials in question. Look in the top right hand corner of the first few seconds of footage.
The provincial UCRT (Urban Chemical Response Team) does not appear to have been on the scene when this specific clip was taped. As far as I know, Toronto police were on the scene first and then later joined by forces from Waterloo and the OPP's UCRT.

There was a lot of activity behind the barn on the third day, even though most news coverage focused on what was happening at the front of the barn: a second blue forensic ID tent was set up behind the barn, the UCRT had parked their 3 trucks behind the barn and close to a dozen forensic officers were busy working behind the scene.

This CTVNews clip of the pile of materials taken on Wednesday Sep 11th after the OPP's UCRT arrived.
See 1:47 secs and beyond. The attached thumbnail below was a frame from this footage.
http://london.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1002986


BTW, I discovered a video clip that states that Hamilton police were also assisting ("working in partnership") on the third search:
http://www.theloop.ca/news/ctvnews/...ck-disappearance-Farm-search-enters-third-day around 25 secs.

 

[Eldee]

Maybe it's DM's man purse. hwow: It's obviously something LE are interested in. Looks like it could have been burnt but not at that location. More evidence, good find ML. MOO

maybe this??

 

[Archangel7]

A large pile of materials behind the barn (that seemed to have first appeared on the morning of September 9th) has me baffled. (see thumbnail - closeup).
The objects appear to be new as opposed to used materials, although I can't be certain.

Questions:
1. Did one of the support teams (UCRT perhaps?) bring these objects in support of the search, or were they always present and taken out of the barn on Monday Sep 9th?

2. Can you identify any of the objects?

I have one theory I am working on, but I will withhold those thoughts to avoid biasing the discussion.

Background Information

This CTVNews video clip taken Monday Sep 9th between 8:00am and noon.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=999641
It shows an aerial view of the pile of materials in question. Look in the top right hand corner of the first few seconds of footage.
The provincial UCRT (Urban Chemical Response Team) does not appear to have been on the scene when this specific clip was taped. As far as I know, Toronto police were on the scene first and then later joined by forces from Waterloo and the OPP's UCRT.

There was a lot of activity behind the barn on the third day, even though most news coverage focused on what was happening at the front of the barn: a second blue forensic ID tent was set up behind the barn, the UCRT had parked their 3 trucks behind the barn and close to a dozen forensic officers were busy working behind the scene.

This CTVNews clip of the pile of materials taken on Wednesday Sep 11th after the OPP's UCRT arrived.
See 1:47 secs and beyond. The attached thumbnail below was a frame from this footage.
http://london.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1002986


BTW, I discovered a video clip that states that Hamilton police were also assisting ("working in partnership") on the third search:
http://www.theloop.ca/news/ctvnews/...ck-disappearance-Farm-search-enters-third-day around 25 secs.

The numbered items are apparently leftover/surplus parts from a metal building. In the "old days" all that type metal was painted in a "red lead primer" paint for weather/rust proofing.

The longer items are I beams with factory clips fabricated for angle/knee bracing.(strength/support)
The lighter colored long piece appears to be a galvanized(coated) ladder cage. It surrounds you as you climb so yo can't easily fall away from the ladder.

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[swedie]

ML thanks for the links. I noticed in this video link at 1:35 you can see about five barrels through the open barn door. Maybe they were not hidden at all as someone has repeatedly suggested, but have been sitting in this area all along. It was reported only empty barrels were removed from the barn and I highly doubt they would have moved full ones. Especially when it was not know what chemicals were in them, as that could pose a risk to move them. MOO.

http://london.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1002986

Empty barrels will be brought out of the barn, and samples will be taken from full barrels.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitch...d-farm-searched-by-opp-haz-mat-team-1.1828554