General Discussion Thread #4

[natsound]

I hope some pictures emerge of this night out. Especially some pics of this man who doesn't drink " doing shots". Uncle Arnold can not be pleased with this, nor Roux, both of whom said he doesn't drink.

 

[Estelle]

I hope some pictures emerge of this night out. Especially some pics of this man who doesn't drink " doing shots". Uncle Arnold can not be pleased with this, nor Roux, both of whom said he doesn't drink.

I guess a report will come out saying that Uncle Arnold said the shots were just coca cola!

 

[shane13]

IMO it seems he doesn't even need to disguise until the trial and doesn't have a doubt or fear of not getting off this .. Can there be anyone in the world to believe what his PR said is true ?Those statements are too funny!
And the same for the brother... In some of the photos of brother in the court seemed to me that he was smiling ,he was amusing himself time to time and looked like just enjoying this challenging experience . That family knows they always win there.. We will probabaly witness another circus in the trial and this case seems over.... Just my opinions

It does seem that way. Time will tell.

 

[natsound]

"Grieving Oscar goes Jolling"

http://www.citypress.co.za/news/grieving-oscar-goes-jolling/

 

[shane13]

I guess a report will come out saying that Uncle Arnold said the shots were just coca cola!

He was celebrating that he does not drink with some drinks.

But playing devl's advocate, unless these were in shot glasses or such, can the reporter be sure the drinks were not soda or seltzer, esp if observing from afar?

 

[Pisto_lius]

Please, let me return to all the "blood markets" they were found.

Roux and Perumal said there were a lot of blood markings in the house

- blood at one phone
- blood at the cricket bat
- blood at the walls
- blood in the bathroom / toilet room (?)
- blood in the bedroom
- blood at the stairs
- blood downstairs in the entrance hall

And than read OP's affidavit word by word.

In OP's affidavit there is not only a single word of blood. There is also not only a single word Reeva was bleeding from numerous wounds.

And now please, read again the statement of the paramedic who was among the first on the scene after the shooting and that I posted before – and which I believe it’s true.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-cou...of-blood-up-the-stairs-1.1471721#.UWiU86K-2So

“There was a lot of activity at the house. The police were moving in and out and there were private security guards outside.

According to OP's affidavit

- Stander and an unknown doctor arrived at the time of OP's way downstairs with Reeva in his arms

According to reports the following people were in the house when paramedics and police arrived

- OP's brother Carl
- OP's father Henke
- OP's sister Aimee (allegedly gave a statement to police)
- OP's lawyer

Paramedic said:

“When we arrived a woman, who never told us her name, met us in the driveway and showed us through the door.

Maybe this could be Aimee (?)

Paramedic further said:
As soon as I walked in, I saw a woman's body by the stairs and she was covered in blood. There was also a blood trail up the stairs that I could see.

“She was lying on her back at the bottom of the stairs and we were told that she had been shot upstairs, and that Oscar had carried her down to the bottom.

The medic said he had not gone upstairs.

She had sustained a gunshot wound to her head and her right arm. “The house is really big and there was blood that had collected from her head wound on the polished floor.”

The medic said they immediately got to work on an already pale Steenkamp, who wasn’t breathing.

“When we attached the ECG (electro-cardiogram) monitor there was no sign of life, her heart had already stopped beating. ” The bullet that struck her arm had completely broken the bone.

The medic said Pistorius told them Steenkamp had stopped breathing three minutes before the ambulance arrived.

“She had lost a lot of blood. I could see the trail of blood stains on the stairs.” The wounds were fatal, and there was nothing they could do for the model.

So, according to the paramedic the trail of blood stains he saw on the stairs and on the polished floor where they found Reeva mainly were the result of her fatal head wound. There wasn't blood collected from another wound - i.e a hip wound - on the floor. Maybe this wound wasn't bleeding so much that blood had collected on the floor.

And the paramedic said, he had not gone upstairs so it's unknown wheter or how much blood was upstairs - he was only told Reeva had been shot upstairs.

And than the paramedic said:

“Oscar Pistorius, dressed in shorts and a T-shirt, was just standing there looking at the body. His right leg and arm were covered in blood.

Steenkamp had been wearing a black sweat top and long pants, but no shoes.

That means to me they didn't lie in bed.

But still more: IMO you can forget the whole story of OP about what happened that night.

Starting with his story about Reeva called him and asked that they rather spend the evening at home (his friends said in their affidavit OP called Reeva),

- continuing they had a quiet dinner together at home and got into bed after Reeva finished her yoga exercises,

- continuing his story about the intuder(s),

- continuing all his further actions,

right through to Reeva's dead body at the entrance hall.

But as I have said it before many times: in my opinion, only

 

[shane13]

Please, let me return to all the "blood markets" they were found.

Roux and Perumal said there were a lot of blood markings in the house

- blood at one phone
- blood at the cricket bat
- blood at the walls
- blood in the bathroom / toilet room (?)
- blood in the bedroom
- blood at the stairs
- blood downstairs in the entrance hall

And than read OP's affidavit word by word.

In OP's affidavit there is not only a single word of blood. There is also not only a single word Reeva was bleeding from numerous wounds.

And now please, read again the statement of the paramedic who was among the first on the scene after the shooting and that I posted before – and which I believe it’s true.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-cou...of-blood-up-the-stairs-1.1471721#.UWiU86K-2So



According to OP's affidavit

- Stander and an unknown doctor arrived at the time of OP's way downstairs with Reeva in his arms

According to reports the following people were in the house when paramedics and police arrived

- OP's brother Carl
- OP's father Henke
- OP's sister Aimee (allegedly gave a statement to police)
- OP's lawyer



Maybe this could be Aimee (?)



So, according to the paramedic the trail of blood stains he saw on the stairs and on the polished floor where they found Reeva mainly were the result of her fatal head wound. There wasn't blood collected from another wound - i.e a hip wound - on the floor. Maybe this wound wasn't bleeding so much that blood had collected on the floor.

And the paramedic said, he had not gone upstairs so it's unknown wheter or how much blood was upstairs - he was only told Reeva had been shot upstairs.

And than the paramedic said:



That means to me they didn't lie in bed.

But still more: IMO you can forget the whole story of OP about what happened that night.

Starting with his story about Reeva called him and asked that they rather spend the evening at home (his friends said in their affidavit OP called Reeva),

- continuing they had a quiet dinner together at home and got into bed after Reeva finished her yoga exercises,

- continuing his story about the intuder(s),

- continuing all his further actions,

right through to Reeva's dead body at the entrance hall.

But as I have said it before many times: in my opinion, only

OP's father was never at the crime scene.
Other things there may not match the timeline either.

 

[natsound]

Please, let me return to all the "blood markets" they were found.

Roux and Perumal said there were a lot of blood markings in the house

- blood at one phone
- blood at the cricket bat
- blood at the walls
- blood in the bathroom / toilet room (?)
- blood in the bedroom
- blood at the stairs
- blood downstairs in the entrance hall

And than read OP's affidavit word by word.

In OP's affidavit there is not only a single word of blood. There is also not only a single word Reeva was bleeding from numerous wounds.

And now please, read again the statement of the paramedic who was among the first on the scene after the shooting and that I posted before – and which I believe it’s true.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-cou...of-blood-up-the-stairs-1.1471721#.UWiU86K-2So



According to OP's affidavit

- Stander and an unknown doctor arrived at the time of OP's way downstairs with Reeva in his arms

According to reports the following people were in the house when paramedics and police arrived

- OP's brother Carl
- OP's father Henke
- OP's sister Aimee (allegedly gave a statement to police)
- OP's lawyer



Maybe this could be Aimee (?)



So, according to the paramedic the trail of blood stains he saw on the stairs and on the polished floor where they found Reeva mainly were the result of her fatal head wound. There wasn't blood collected from another wound - i.e a hip wound - on the floor. Maybe this wound wasn't bleeding so much that blood had collected on the floor.

And the paramedic said, he had not gone upstairs so it's unknown wheter or how much blood was upstairs - he was only told Reeva had been shot upstairs.

And than the paramedic said:



That means to me they didn't lie in bed.

But still more: IMO you can forget the whole story of OP about what happened that night.

Starting with his story about Reeva called him and asked that they rather spend the evening at home (his friends said in their affidavit OP called Reeva),

- continuing they had a quiet dinner together at home and got into bed after Reeva finished her yoga exercises,

- continuing his story about the intuder(s),

- continuing all his further actions,

right through to Reeva's dead body at the entrance hall.

But as I have said it before many times: in my opinion, only

Frustrating. There may be many inconsistencies, but one that stands out is that Botha said RS was wearing white shorts!

 

[LaurieAClaase]

BBM 1: I am reading the book "Pieces of the Puzzle: A Guide to the Oscar and Reeva Case" by Laurie A Claase, it just came out on Kindle only, I believe. They state in that book that OP dropped the CTM case. I'm new to reading a book this way and don't see how to find sources within the book. I'm not very far into the book yet, but so far it is very objectivly laying out the known facts.

Hi, I am Laurie A Claase, the author of Pieces of the Puzzle. I am delighted that you have found my e-book as it has been published very recently. You can follow my sources by clicking on the hyperlinks embedded in the text. Many thanks for pointing out this missing CTM link. I will insert it in the next update. As a first-time e-book reader, I would be interested in how you are finding the experience.

 

[Mango33]

Well my thoughts on this are that his PR people are testing the waters--as they plan for him getting back to "full normal."

Alas as if nothing happened. JMO.

And yes I guess maybe the reporters are keeping track on how many?

It's like in boxing, judges have a clicker that they click each time a boxer lands an effective punch.

How long before another incident??

I also think that this is another step towards a bigger announcement (return to full training and a race overseas). I predict by May 1.

But I am marveling at what poor judgement this decision to have the first "night out of the house" be at a trendy bar shows...clueless.

I am not of the opinion that OP should stay in his house and not be seen until the trial, but if you go to a crowded bar with everyone watching you, many of whom are a bit hostile, chances are that you could drink a glass of water and someone will surmise it is vodka or something.

If I was the pr team, I would have advised to start with a quiet lunch with old friends who don't need bodyguards...jmo!

 

[whiterum]

Had OP phoned security /help immediately on supposedly realising Reeva was in that toilet cubicle, help would have been there even before he battled to drag Reeva onto the bathroom floor.

He could have saved the vital time wasted with running back and forth, screaming from balcony, kicking door, getting bat , breaking down door, battling to drag her onto bathroom floor and by lifting and carrying her broken, bleeding body, endangering whatever chance (if any ) she may have had of survival.

As it stands now, only he alone knows exactly where Reeva was positioned in the toilet room after she was shot. Due to his actions of not immediately phoning security/help and taking upon himself the burden of lifting Reeva despite prosthetic legs, bad shoulder, flight of stairs, he also manages to leave a trail of Reevas blood from the toilet room to the front hall.

Help would have been there quickly straight up to the bathroom, no need at all for his single -handed supposed efforts to save.

IMO all his actions after the shooting were done for a selfish purpose, for his own benefit certainly not Reeva's

The above is my opinion only .

 

[shane13]

I also think that this is another step towards a bigger announcement (return to full training and a race overseas). I predict by May 1.

But I am marveling at what poor judgement this decision to have the first "night out of the house" be at a trendy bar shows...clueless.

I am not of the opinion that OP should stay in his house and not be seen until the trial, but if you go to a crowded bar with everyone watching you, many of whom are a bit hostile, chances are that you could drink a glass of water and someone will surmise it is vodka or something.

If I was the pr team, I would have advised to start with a quiet lunch with old friends who don't need bodyguards...jmo!

Yes, and that's why I added in my later post that maybe unless the drinks were in shot gasses, we cannot be certain they weren't soda or seltzer.

And patting the woman's behind in public will not endear him to other than his die-hard "Pistorians." He didn't need to do that. But then again, maybe he did have a few by then?

Update: Speaking of PR team: It's gonna be real difficult for them to spin the "Oscar was celebrating the life of Reeva with friends" meme while he was seen patting the behind of that woman.

 

[natsound]

I also think that this is another step towards a bigger announcement (return to full training and a race overseas). I predict by May 1.

But I am marveling at what poor judgement this decision to have the first "night out of the house" be at a trendy bar shows...clueless.

I am not of the opinion that OP should stay in his house and not be seen until the trial, but if you go to a crowded bar with everyone watching you, many of whom are a bit hostile, chances are that you could drink a glass of water and someone will surmise it is vodka or something.

If I was the pr team, I would have advised to start with a quiet lunch with old friends who don't need bodyguards...jmo!

I think OP does what he wants. I imagine he did this on the sly, or at least against the advice of his family and PR folks.

It's interesting that he left one bar due to too much public interest, only to go to ANOTHER BAR!

 

[Patticake]

I think OP does what he wants. I imagine he did this on the sly, or at least against the advice of his family and PR folks.

It's interesting that he left one bar due to too much public interest, only to go to ANOTHER BAR!

And I think it is interesting that part o those in the bar were supportive. The others were against him ... opposed.

I hope we see this on the running field.

He should be shunned IMO.

:notgood:

 

[Patticake]

Hi, I am Laurie A Claase, the author of Pieces of the Puzzle. I am delighted that you have found my e-book as it has been published very recently. You can follow my sources by clicking on the hyperlinks embedded in the text. Many thanks for pointing out this missing CTM link. I will insert it in the next update. As a first-time e-book reader, I would be interested in how you are finding the experience.

I tried, unsuccessfully, to get it on my iPad. Hopefully, it will expand to that platform.
.

 

[Patticake]

The usual scenario: Suicidal, NOT: suicidal; Traing, NO NOT training; and so on ...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ously-denies-downing-drinks-and-flirting.html

Oscar Pistorius 'strenuously' denies 'downing drinks and flirting'

Oscar Pistorius, the Paralympic athlete accused of murdering his girlfriend, has "strenuously and vigorously" denied a report that he was "partying it up" in a Johannesburg restaurant last weekend, downing drinks and flirting with women.

A spokesman for Pistorius dismissed as "sensationalist" the report in South Africa's Sunday Times that quoted several witnesses as seeing a "relaxed-looking and talkative" Oscar at the Kitchen Bar in northern Johannesburg last Saturday.

:shakehead::shakehead::shakehead:

 

[shane13]

The usual scenario: Suicidal, NOT: suicidal; Traing, NO NOT training; and so on ...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ously-denies-downing-drinks-and-flirting.html


:shakehead::shakehead::shakehead:

"He was drinking shooters..."

Unfortunately a very appropriate term.

 

[kittychi]

I tried, unsuccessfully, to get it on my iPad. Hopefully, it will expand to that platform.
.

Hey Patticake, there is a Kindle app for the iPad, that's how I'm reading it.

Its free!

 

[Patticake]

Hey Patticake, there is a Kindle app for the iPad, that's how I'm reading it.

Its free!

Thank you, kitty chi, love your name.

I have been resisting the Kindle app. I did buy a book on pickles on the Kindle app then retired it.

I stood in line for the first iPad on day one. Love it. About to buy a new one.

:seeya:

 

[kittychi]

Hi, I am Laurie A Claase, the author of Pieces of the Puzzle. I am delighted that you have found my e-book as it has been published very recently. You can follow my sources by clicking on the hyperlinks embedded in the text. Many thanks for pointing out this missing CTM link. I will insert it in the next update. As a first-time e-book reader, I would be interested in how you are finding the experience.

Hi Laurie, :welcome5: Thank you for the link, really appreciate that.

I read a lot on iBooks, but this is the first book I've read on the Kindle app, its a little different. I would always rather read a "real" book, but this is sooooo convenient.

I don't know how much you have read here, but there are lots of very astute people posting on this forum. If there is something you would like to add, please do! :seeya: