General theory thread and motives rehashed #2

[Flow]

Links regarding the Joe interview.

This one says that his attorney wouldn't say who interviewed Joe, but that CNN was reporting that it was FDLE.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=154726

This link is to a story dated 4/14. It has a video report by Jacklyn Benard of the local TV station reporting from Nashville, Tennessee. She interviews Joe's mother. Joe's attorney is also in this video. He says that he took Joe to TBI at the request of an FDLE. But then he will not answer who the agents really were.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=154726

I'm pretty sure that site also had the [media] interview of Joe.

 

[Emeralgem]

OK, thanks jessigirl, I had misunderstood your post as stating it as a fact. But now I understand you were stating that the factual part is that Flora said it.

I have seen it posted before that Joe plead the 5th/refused to cooperate with LE at that April interview, but never have seen a link provided for LE (or even JO's lawyer) confirming that.

Flora can say whatever she wants, I guess--freedom of speech and all that. For me, though, Flora is not a reliable source for anything other than her own opinion.

However, if there is ANYTHING available from a reliable source that says Joe plead the 5th and thus ended the interview, I definitely want to see it. Because to me, that would be huge.

Overstreet’s lawyer said they would continue to cooperate and be available to speak with law enforcement if and when they wanted to interview him again.

“Based on my experience with those officers, there’s going to be an arrest,” Sirgo said. “But I don’t know who.”

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...case-unchanged

IMHO and I could be wrong but an attorney stating they will continue to cooperate and be available to LE doesn't sound like their client pleaded the 5th to me.....JMO

 

[mysticrose]

I wanted to stop in, I feel like I have abandoned the thread as of late, but I havent I read daily I was just thinking today and hoping I am wrong that I feel I will be here reading still about Haleigh another year or two from now that were still looking for her....gosh I hope I am wrong. Sorry for the OT, just Haleigh on my mind alot today....

 

[PorcineGranny]

I wanted to stop in, I feel like I have abandoned the thread as of late, but I havent I read daily I was just thinking today and hoping I am wrong that I feel I will be here reading still about Haleigh another year or two from now that were still looking for her....gosh I hope I am wrong. Sorry for the OT, just Haleigh on my mind alot today....

Mysticrose, hugs to you, I understand how you feel. Since Haleigh went missing I have been staying up all night reading, I've even branched out to other cases during my sleepless nights.

A couple of weeks ago I got excited because several posters felt the answers were coming soon, and I do get despondent, but remember, something entirely from left field may be what causes this case to break. But I was thinking tonight about something Whisperer posted the other day. She was talking about how Ron got a criminal atty after the first atty quit. I think Ron got a criminal atty because he has done something, something very bad, but not kill Haleigh. But, he needs protection because it will tie into how and why Haleigh died. Hes not concerned about Haleigh, just in himself cause he could have made up any old lie any time about all this. Ron is hiding something and its not about his daughter, he is into something else.
Another thing, I find it interesting that Ron is such a low 2 bit drug seller. And yet I feel drugs are probably at the bottom of all this. I don't know, I'm just miserable, praying that justice will come soon for our little Haleigh.

 

[Emeralgem]

Mysticrose, hugs to you, I understand how you feel. Since Haleigh went missing I have been staying up all night reading, I've even branched out to other cases during my sleepless nights.

A couple of weeks ago I got excited because several posters felt the answers were coming soon, and I do get despondent, but remember, something entirely from left field may be what causes this case to break. But I was thinking tonight about something Whisperer posted the other day. She was talking about how Ron got a criminal atty after the first atty quit. I think Ron got a criminal atty because he has done something, something very bad, but not kill Haleigh. But, he needs protection because it will tie into how and why Haleigh died. Hes not concerned about Haleigh, just in himself cause he could have made up any old lie any time about all this. Ron is hiding something and its not about his daughter, he is into something else.Another thing, I find it interesting that Ron is such a low 2 bit drug seller. And yet I feel drugs are probably at the bottom of all this. I don't know, I'm just miserable, praying that justice will come soon for our little Haleigh.

He may very well have been into something else.. reason being he got a lawyer, but he is also hiding what he did to his daughter too.. I do agree he isn't concerned about Haleigh though, and his only concern has been to cover his own rear...And IMHO same applies to his momma and his grandma too...JMO

 

[jessigirl]

Transcript from Tape #7 of audio tapes released May 21, 2010...
~snipped from audio #7~ "... The media is still outside Peanut's(this Joe's mom, Flora's daughter)too. And I know when she carried him(Joe) for them to question him last night, every question they(LE) asked him(Joe) his lawyer said NO COMMENT, NO COMMENT. [In the back you can hear Flora Hollars say "and Joe was drunker than hell when he went down there"] Then Aunt Vicky repeats- "and Joe was drunker than hell when he went down there last night." ~end quote from audio #7~
grandma j it was NOT "SKUNK" instead it WAS "HELL" that that she used to describe Joe's intoxication. "and Joe was drunker than HELL" ABOVE IS THE SNIPPET OF THE TRANSCRIPT OF AUDIO #7 THAT I WAS DIRECTLY SPEAKING OF EARLIER THIS EVENING(in reference to my post where I did correctly state what was said in the audio, except for the word skunk, it was infact the word hell)
Also, I never made any insinuation of FH being in meeting with LE. Rather only quoted what FH stated on the audio. (As was also said earlier FH being Joe's grandmother and the mother of Peanut(Joe's mom) whom she refers to still speaking/ communicating with, and her daughter(Peanut) being the one that took Joe to this meeting.I believe this would make it QUITE POSSIBLE for FH to have knowledge of what was said in LE interview&what was Joe's state of sobriety)
ETA: Wanted to add that it is each of our own personal opinions, therefore decisions of what if any, all or none that we believe is true(and that goes for every aspect of this case, certainly NOT just where FH is involved or concerned, but rather where ALL OF THEM ARE CONCERNED]
HERE IS LINK TO AUDIO #7.... http://www..net/124590

 

[Emma Peel]

Q. If Haleigh died accidentally ... why would they not just have come clean?

A. Because her body would be examined by Medical Examiner

Q. Why not have her body examined by ME?

A. Because:
1) drugs present or
2) signs of sexual trauma present
3) 1 & 2 both

 

[twall]

Here are the links to the uncut video interview from FCN that Joe O. and his lawyer did with them if anyone wants to view it again.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video.../Joe+Overstreet+Interview,+Part+1/78544190001

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video.../Joe+Overstreet+Interview,+Part+2/78546680001

 

[twall]

I am still stuck on the Haleigh was harmed/taken in retaliation for something Ron did theory.
The last theory I posted had Joe and Tommy involved in the disposal of Haleigh after she was killed by the one(s) seeking revenge. It involved the river info. (blocks and yellow rope) which I now believe to be entirely bogus. I am working on organizing my thoughts based on information put out within the past mos. that supports this theory, some of the things Gwen mentioned in her recent posts on this thread are along the same lines.

 

[Dr. Know?]

You post good links and info, Twall, hope to hear this theory soon. I have too many...sigh and humph! Thank you for your updates. xoxoxo

 

[MeoW333]

I am still stuck on the Haleigh was harmed/taken in retaliation for something Ron did theory.
The last theory I posted had Joe and Tommy involved in the disposal of Haleigh after she was killed by the one(s) seeking revenge. It involved the river info. (blocks and yellow rope) which I now believe to be entirely bogus. I am working on organizing my thoughts based on information put out within the past mos. that supports this theory, some of the things Gwen mentioned in her recent posts on this thread are along the same lines.

This motive would be fitting, as hadn't there been an altercation over a gun stolen by Joe from Ron earlier that day or week that Haleigh went missing?
If Misty was on a drug binge, and didn't care about watching Haleigh anyway which is obvious, it would be easier for her cousin & brother to get to Haleigh.

 

[Emeralgem]

Transcript from Tape #7 of audio tapes released May 21, 2010...
~snipped from audio #7~ "... The media is still outside Peanut's(this Joe's mom, Flora's daughter)too. And I know when she carried him(Joe) for them to question him last night, every question they(LE) asked him(Joe) his lawyer said NO COMMENT, NO COMMENT. [In the back you can hear Flora Hollars say "and Joe was drunker than hell when he went down there"] Then Aunt Vicky repeats- "and Joe was drunker than hell when he went down there last night." ~end quote from audio #7~
grandma j it was NOT "SKUNK" instead it WAS "HELL" that that she used to describe Joe's intoxication. "and Joe was drunker than HELL" ABOVE IS THE SNIPPET OF THE TRANSCRIPT OF AUDIO #7 THAT I WAS DIRECTLY SPEAKING OF EARLIER THIS EVENING(in reference to my post where I did correctly state what was said in the audio, except for the word skunk, it was infact the word hell)
Also, I never made any insinuation of FH being in meeting with LE. Rather only quoted what FH stated on the audio. (As was also said earlier FH being Joe's grandmother and the mother of Peanut(Joe's mom) whom she refers to still speaking/ communicating with, and her daughter(Peanut) being the one that took Joe to this meeting.I believe this would make it QUITE POSSIBLE for FH to have knowledge of what was said in LE interview&what was Joe's state of sobriety)ETA: Wanted to add that it is each of our own personal opinions, therefore decisions of what if any, all or none that we believe is true(and that goes for every aspect of this case, certainly NOT just where FH is involved or concerned, but rather where ALL OF THEM ARE CONCERNED]
HERE IS LINK TO AUDIO #7.... http://www..net/124590

BBM...Peanut (Jo's mom) did not take Jo to the meeting that occurred with FDLE.. Mr. Sirgo (Jo's attorney) did..She did not accompany Jo and his attorney into the TBI building in Nashville either.. There is footage of two people entering the building and there is footage of two people leaving the building. The two people are Jo Overstreet and Shawn Sirgo..The footage also showed Jo Overstreet and his attorney getting into his attorney's car after the meeting..Perhaps..it is possible Peanut was sitting in the car while Jo with his attorney was being interviewed but she did not attend the meeting between Jo Overstreet, his attorney and LE officers who went to Nashville to interview him..
IMHO.. Considering those circumstances Peanut (Jo's mom) would not have any actual knowledge of what took place in that meeting..Only what her son or his attorney offered up to her...JMO

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Ron's cousin Hope, has been sentence to 15 yrs in prison and she now has filed for an Appeal and asked for a new Attorney. She also wrote a letter to the Attorney General, I wonder if she gave up information regarding Haleigh?

I wish I could find the interview with Ronald where he mentions that his cousin came by that night (Feb 9th). I have always wondered if it was Hope that came by and not Joe. Or, maybe the A/C man is Ron's cousin?

Now, what was a red flag to me is that Ron said his cousin came by. If Ron was not home how would he know that? Misty never said anything about Ron's cousin coming by the MH. In fact she never mentioned GGMS until someone turned in a tip saying she was not home that night and LE starting looking into it. Then it was GGMS who said she came over with (nurse?) aunt Elise if I am not mistaken. TN also said she had sent a family member over to check on the kids. Now why would she need to send someone over to check on the kids if she claims Misty was a better mother to Haleigh and Jr. and a great babysitter?

Now, since this is the theory thread and I don't have the link for Ron's interview I will just say, this is what I thought I heard Ron say...JMO

05/26/2010 67 LETTER TO THE OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

 

[MADJGNLAW]

BBM...Peanut (Jo's mom) did not take Jo to the meeting that occurred with FDLE.. Mr. Sirgo (Jo's attorney) did..She did not accompany Jo and his attorney into the TBI building in Nashville either.. There is footage of two people entering the building and there is footage of two people leaving the building. The two people are Jo Overstreet and Shawn Sirgo..The footage also showed Jo Overstreet and his attorney getting into his attorney's car after the meeting..Perhaps..it is possible Peanut was sitting in the car while Jo with his attorney was being interviewed but she did not attend the meeting between Jo Overstreet, his attorney and LE officers who went to Nashville to interview him..
IMHO.. Considering those circumstances Peanut (Jo's mom) would not have any actual knowledge of what took place in that meeting..Only what her son or his attorney offered up to her...JMO

Yep, it reads here that Joe was home and his attorney showed up and Joe and Attorney left together..no mention of any family members coming along.

Authorities in TN Question Misty Croslin's Relative About Haleigh's Disappearance
April 13, 2010

"Snip"

Authorities have interviewed another one of Misty's relatives in reference to Haleigh Cumming's.

Cousin, Joe Overstreet, was interviewed late Tuesday night. The 20-year-old lives in Nashville, Tennessee.


Overstreet spent the evening with family and friends. Then around 11:30 Tuesday night his attorney, Shawn Sirgo, showed up.

The two talked outside Overstreet's home for 20 minutes and then left in his attorney's car.

First Coast News followed the two to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation in Nashville.

Overstreet and his attorney were escorted inside. Less than 45 minutes later, Overstreet was out and on his way back home.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=154726&catid=3

 

[Emeralgem]

Yep, it reads here that Joe was home and his attorney showed up and Joe and Attorney left together..no mention of any family members coming along.

MADJGNLAW... Thank you so much for posting that link...

Also, I realize there is a possibility Jo O could have been or was drunker than HELL when his attorney showed up that night to take him to be interviewed, however IF I were being accused of brutally raping, murdering and dumping a child in gator infested waters, can't say I wouldn't get drunker than HELL too.. And I don't even drink..JMO

I also noticed in Part 2 of the interview being held with Jo, his mother and his attorney, Jo's mother (Peanut) expresses her sincere condolences to Crystal Sheffield and her family.. No mention none whatsoever to Ronald Cummings and his family.. That speaks volumes IMHO...JMO

 

[twall]

This motive would be fitting, as hadn't there been an altercation over a gun stolen by Joe from Ron earlier that day or week that Haleigh went missing?
If Misty was on a drug binge, and didn't care about watching Haleigh anyway which is obvious, it would be easier for her cousin & brother to get to Haleigh.

My post stated that I don't believe Joe took and killed Haleigh over a stolen gun/Joe forced Tommy to dispose of Haleigh in the river theory. I have never believed it to be true at any time and Tommy's conversation with Hank in the last set of tapes confirms it even more, imo.

I do think it is possible Haleigh was harmed/and or taken by someone who had reason to seek revenge against Ron for something he had done on a much larger scale than a stolen gun.

JMO

 

[twall]

Does anyone honestly believe a criminal defense attorney would let their client be interviewed by LE while they are under the influence of alcohol?
I don't.

JMO

 

[Baznme]

My post stated that I don't believe Joe took and killed Haleigh over a stolen gun/Joe forced Tommy to dispose of Haleigh in the river theory. I have never believed it to be true at any time and Tommy's conversation with Hank in the last set of tapes confirms it even more, imo.

I do think it is possible Haleigh was harmed/and or taken by someone who had reason to seek revenge against Ron for something he had done on a much larger scale than a stolen gun.

JMO

JMO but I don't think it's all that complicated. I don't believe anyone came to that MH nor do I believe it was that night. All arrows that have been pointing in all these other directions have not churned up anyone in particular, no clues as to what direction they went or where they came from that is believable or that has had the same story told twice that was believable. When you're pointing that finger in another direction, any direction except for the pointee, to me the answer lies right there with the people that were with Haleigh the last hours of her life. The night MC and RC stayed up all night "talking" is the one I can't get out of my head. No Tommy, no Joe, no man in black. That must have been quite a night.

 

[Quiche]

Imo, there were four adults confirmed to be around Haleigh during the night she disappeared: Ron, Misty, GGS, and TN. :furious:

Where is Haleigh?

 

[Emeralgem]

JMO but I don't think it's all that complicated. I don't believe anyone came to that MH nor do I believe it was that night. All arrows that have been pointing in all these other directions have not churned up anyone in particular, no clues as to what direction they went or where they came from that is believable or that has had the same story told twice that was believable. When you're pointing that finger in another direction, any direction except for the pointee, to me the answer lies right there with the people that were with Haleigh the last hours of her life. The night MC and RC stayed up all night "talking" is the one I can't get out of my head. No Tommy, no Joe, no man in black. That must have been quite a night.

Hi Baznme.. Are you thinking something happened to Haleigh on that Sunday night when TN claims Ron C and Misty stayed up all night talking?
Problem I have with that scenario is.. IF Haleigh was hurt on a Sunday night and did not go to school on Monday, LE would certainly have information to this being fact and would have or should have arrested Ronald Cummings on the spot when he first stated he picked her up from the school bus stop that afternoon and drove her home...That is IF she really wasn't in school..

Now lets look at IF she was hurt on a Sunday night but they still took her to school on Monday.. If thats the case her injuries would not have been noticeable or someone would have been notified..If they weren't noticeable and she passed after she got home from school, seems to me someone would have called 911 for help at that time, or taken her to the hospital claiming she had been in school that day and they didn't know what was wrong..

Personally, I suspect whatever happened to Haleigh occurred not too long after Haleigh got off that school bus and before Ron C went into work that afternoon/ early evening..

IMHO.. TN stating on national tv Ron and Misty were up all night on Sunday night working things out was not the truth....And she knows it..She just didn't want the truth revealed she was the one who asked Misty to pick up Haleigh on Monday afternoon from the bus stop. Misty and her son had not worked things out when Misty picked up Haleigh. TN did not want anyone knowing there was an altercation between Misty and Ron C that afternoon and Haleigh paid the ultimate price..JMO

Edit. TN, Ron and Misty have all attempted to paint a picture of everything just being great between Ron and Misty before he went in to work on February 9th. WHY?
I suspect because they know the truth is the exact opposite of what they have been claiming for 16 months now.....JMO