General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[lonetraveler]

I guess either they declined to be interviewed, or they weren't available when reporters tried to reach them. They weren't around for long because they moved out a couple of weeks after Haleigh disappeared.

The facts about the vehicles have always been unclear. Do we know for sure that Ron bought the white truck before or after Haleigh disappeared? At any rate, if he had two vehicles, a truck, red or white, and the Altima, wouldn't one of them have been at the MH that night?

Ron's former neighbor said that Misty would use either the burgundy Altima or the blue/gray mini van to pick up the kids at the bus stop. He also said he passed the bus stop that afternoon and noted neither of those vehicles was there. But, again, if they had two vehicles, why would she have to use the mini van?

Unless the truck had a standard transmission and Misty didn't know how to drive it. Is that why it's important to know if he drove the Altima that night? Because it would've left Misty with a truck she was unable to drive? This issue always confuses me. :waitasec:

JMO here but I just can't see Misty still having the keys to the Altima. She and Ronald had been fighting for days and still fighting that night. The vehicles that Ron drove were in his Grandmother's name, not his. The story of him "giving" the Altima to Misty is BS to me. He may have told her she could use it, although Misty did not have driver's licenses at that time. I think that when Ronald threw Misty out of the house he most likely confiscated any car keys and phones at that time.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

JMO here but I just can't see Misty still having the keys to the Altima. She and Ronald had been fighting for days and still fighting that night. The vehicles that Ron drove were in his Grandmother's name, not his. The story of him "giving" the Altima to Misty is BS to me. He may have told her she could use it, although Misty did not have driver's licenses at that time. I think that when Ronald threw Misty out of the house he most likely confiscated any car keys and phones at that time.

So whose phone was she using that night? If this has been pointed out, it's lost somewhere in my memory banks.

 

[SweetDreamOfYou]

So whose phone was she using that night? If this has been pointed out, it's lost somewhere in my memory banks.

Maybe I am remembering wrong, but wasn't there something about her not being able to find her phone that night said at the beginning of the case.
Am I totally dreaming that or has there always been something strange about the phones?

 

[Baznme]

So whose phone was she using that night? If this has been pointed out, it's lost somewhere in my memory banks.

According to this, she used HER phone to call Ron so it must have been working which brings up an interesting point. I thought she once claimed that her phone wasn't working that night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E&feature=related

 

[Lanie]

I've been browsing through the media thread looking for a few things and refreshing my memory on what was said by whom and when.

I found this interesting.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5406914.php

An audio recording from Tim Miller at the bottom of this page. He says a girl approached him at a bar and told him Misty wasn't home that night, she was at a party, and goes on to give details. LE investigates, and tells Tim (my interpretation following) this is a party they have had information on, but it was from the night before.

Tim goes on to say his opinions of the lifestyle these children were being subjected to, how they didn't have a chance, and referring to Ron and Misty said they were "two of the most immature and irresponsible people" he has ever met, and I couldn't agree with him more.

 

[Lanie]

Early on, a big deal was made out of Misty being stuck at the trailer, with no ride...but then Chelsea said that Ron had bought the purple Altima for her. So, where was that car, that night? What did Ron drive to work? I know Ron & Chelsea both claim that he picked up Haleigh, but a witness put a worn out Misty there, & smacking Jr to boot. Could he have mistaken other people for Misty, Haleigh, AND Jr? I don't think so. Could he have gotten his days mixed up? maybe, but after the news of Haleigh broke, I'd think his memory would be clear. I'm still believing the witness, because he has no reason to lie, & also because Shomaker's latest claims on Ron picking her up, were a little hedgy & not very convincing. & IMO, Chelsea's version of Ron not rolling the window down, so she could wave at Haleigh, were as unbelievable as Ron's mushy version, of letting Haleigh drive. So, besides possibly giving Misty a ride for that night, what would this mean? What motive could both Ron & Chelsea have for placing Misty in that house all night...while LE was pretty adamant that she was gone? Where did she go & what was she doing? & I'm wondering if this is the info that Lisa was blackmailing her with? What information could make Misty, Ron, the Croslins, & the Cummings, all insist that she was home? & TN & GGS joined in on this too. I'm stumped.

I'm pulling this quote back up, because I just listened to the statement the witness made to Art Harris you found for me, (and thank you very much for that, btw) and this statement is about that morning dropping the kids off, not in the afternoon picking them up. He goes on to state Ron made a Uey, almost hitting him and some kids, and left, which, IMO, helps back up the story of driving Haleigh to school that day because they had to go by GGMS to pick up something she wanted to wear.

 

[suspicious1]

I'm pulling this quote back up, because I just listened to the statement the witness made to Art Harris you found for me, (and thank you very much for that, btw) and this statement is about that morning dropping the kids off, not in the afternoon picking them up. He goes on to state Ron made a Uey, almost hitting him and some kids, and left, which, IMO, helps back up the story of driving Haleigh to school that day because they had to go by GGMS to pick up something she wanted to wear.

So why does Ron tell Cobra (I think-Cobra) that he dropped Haleigh off at the busstop? IMO, if J Santos story back up anybody's story...it's Misty's...who claims that they had to drive to Welaka before school.

J Santos also make statements that Misty was the one who picked the kids up from the busstop...and overheard the conversation about some "bad chit" that Misty got....

JMO of course

 

[Lanie]

So why does Ron tell Cobra (I think-Cobra) that he dropped Haleigh off at the busstop? IMO, if J Santos story back up anybody's story...it's Misty's...who claims that they had to drive to Welaka before school.

J Santos also make statements that Misty was the one who picked the kids up from the busstop...and overheard the conversation about some "bad chit" that Misty got....

JMO of course

BBM 1

If you will note in my post, I didn't say this backs up RON'S story, I said it backs up THE story. I'm not trying to twist anything around here, this link was, to my understanding, presented as showing Ron picked up Haleigh from the bus stop AFTER school. If BEFORE school was in question in the recent back and forth posts I was making, I missed it.

As far as this witness and what he is reporting, I find him credible, and IMO, his story would be easy for LE to verify, so I'm willing to believe what he says.

BBM 2

Do you have a link for this? Who picked Haleigh up from school makes no difference to what I think happened, but since we kind of veered off on this tangent, I'd like as much information about it as is out there. I'm not a big believer in what comes out of Art Harris's mouth, but am interested in hearing actual witness statements, such as the one above, even if AH is the one doing the interview.
TIA

 

[Lanie]

Early on, a big deal was made out of Misty being stuck at the trailer, with no ride...but then Chelsea said that Ron had bought the purple Altima for her. So, where was that car, that night? What did Ron drive to work? I know Ron & Chelsea both claim that he picked up Haleigh, but a witness put a worn out Misty there, & smacking Jr to boot. Could he have mistaken other people for Misty, Haleigh, AND Jr? I don't think so. Could he have gotten his days mixed up? maybe, but after the news of Haleigh broke, I'd think his memory would be clear. I'm still believing the witness, because he has no reason to lie, & also because Shomaker's latest claims on Ron picking her up, were a little hedgy & not very convincing. & IMO, Chelsea's version of Ron not rolling the window down, so she could wave at Haleigh, were as unbelievable as Ron's mushy version, of letting Haleigh drive. So, besides possibly giving Misty a ride for that night, what would this mean? What motive could both Ron & Chelsea have for placing Misty in that house all night...while LE was pretty adamant that she was gone? Where did she go & what was she doing? & I'm wondering if this is the info that Lisa was blackmailing her with? What information could make Misty, Ron, the Croslins, & the Cummings, all insist that she was home? & TN & GGS joined in on this too. I'm stumped.

Suspicious1, I'm pulling this post back up and bolding to put the witness statement video in context. I then posted "Do you have any info on this witness?", and that's where the video came in.

 

[bessie]

BBM 1

If you will note in my post, I didn't say this backs up RON'S story, I said it backs up THE story. I'm not trying to twist anything around here, this link was, to my understanding, presented as showing Ron picked up Haleigh from the bus stop AFTER school. If BEFORE school was in question in the recent back and forth posts I was making, I missed it.

As far as this witness and what he is reporting, I find him credible, and IMO, his story would be easy for LE to verify, so I'm willing to believe what he says.

BBM 2

Do you have a link for this? Who picked Haleigh up from school makes no difference to what I think happened, but since we kind of veered off on this tangent, I'd like as much information about it as is out there. I'm not a big believer in what comes out of Art Harris's mouth, but am interested in hearing actual witness statements, such as the one above, even if AH is the one doing the interview.
TIA

Here ya go, Lanie.

Jerry Santos' girlfriend describes the after school events at the bus stop to Art Harris.

Whether she wound up back at the trailer Sunday night is not known, but a parent in the carpool line Monday afternoon has told police –and The Bald Truth in an exclusive interview, that she overheard Misty griping at the wheel of the family’s blue van as she waited for Haleigh to get off the school bus, about the “bad ****” they’d bought from someone the night before (Sunday), and would never buy anything from that dealer again.

The parent who was also waiting for her children to get off the bus and asked to go nameless, told me it sounded like Misty was talking to her companions in the car about drugs they’d used the night before (Sunday). “I was pulled up right next to her window and could hear it clearly,” the woman told me, saying it was the same account she gave investigators.

But what she says she saw next truly shocked her. Haleigh emerged from the bus, all smiles, and began running to the van, where Misty was trying to control two little boys, possibly Ronald Jr and Haleigh’s cousin who is the son of her brother and sister in law, Lisa. She says she heard an obviously irritated Misty scream for Haleigh to hurry up, then slap one of the boys.
Stunned she says she turned to boyfriend, Jerry Santos, a local businessman and little league coach, who was there to pick up their children. He didn’t see the alleged slapping, he tells me, but did see Misty behind the wheel, and Haleigh get off the bus and climb in with her.

Both Ronald Cummings and his mother, Teresa Neves, have claimed separately they picked up Haleigh that last Monday afternoon, but at least three parents tell me they only saw Misty at the bus stop. But Santos tells me, “Misty was definitely driving,” that he never saw either father or grandmother at the bus stop.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/06/11/haleigh-exclusive-bloody-hands-timeline-details/

 

[Concerned Papa]

BBM 1

If you will note in my post, I didn't say this backs up RON'S story, I said it backs up THE story. I'm not trying to twist anything around here, this link was, to my understanding, presented as showing Ron picked up Haleigh from the bus stop AFTER school. If BEFORE school was in question in the recent back and forth posts I was making, I missed it.

As far as this witness and what he is reporting, I find him credible, and IMO, his story would be easy for LE to verify, so I'm willing to believe what he says.

BBM 2

Do you have a link for this? Who picked Haleigh up from school makes no difference to what I think happened, but since we kind of veered off on this tangent, I'd like as much information about it as is out there. I'm not a big believer in what comes out of Art Harris's mouth, but am interested in hearing actual witness statements, such as the one above, even if AH is the one doing the interview.
TIA

BBM

This snip is the portion of the AH interview where Santo's is describing the conversation w/Misty about the "bad chit". Notice at the end who Santo's said was in the passenger side of the car having this conversation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYEbYK8RPb4

In this snip, you can hear both Ronald and Misty's own words telling completely different versions of how Haleigh got to school on February 9, 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCVrgVLOGTw

 

[suspicious1]

BBM 1

If you will note in my post, I didn't say this backs up RON'S story, I said it backs up THE story. I'm not trying to twist anything around here, this link was, to my understanding, presented as showing Ron picked up Haleigh from the bus stop AFTER school. If BEFORE school was in question in the recent back and forth posts I was making, I missed it.

As far as this witness and what he is reporting, I find him credible, and IMO, his story would be easy for LE to verify, so I'm willing to believe what he says.

BBM 2

Do you have a link for this? Who picked Haleigh up from school makes no difference to what I think happened, but since we kind of veered off on this tangent, I'd like as much information about it as is out there. I'm not a big believer in what comes out of Art Harris's mouth, but am interested in hearing actual witness statements, such as the one above, even if AH is the one doing the interview.
TIA

I didn't say that you said it backed up Ron's story...you talked about it backing up a story....and Misty is the one that said they drove to Welaka for an outfit....Ron says that he dropped Haleigh off at the busstop...

 

[suspicious1]

Do you have any info on the witness at the busstop, like was it just some person, or someone making a plea deal? Because if it's just someone at the bus stop, I'm going to believe their version way before I believe whatever Ron, Misty, or Chelsea say.

IMO, if Ron was at work and Chelsea was at home, then unless Misty showed up at one or both of those places, they have no more information on where Misty was than you or I do.

There was an AC guy, and Misty's story about that is he showed up around 5, Misty called Ron and AC guy talked to him on the phone, Tommy was there, and all the kids were playing outside. We don't know what AC guy said, but since we haven't heard anything to say otherwise, I'm choosing to believe until proven otherwise AC guy has confirmed this with LE.

GGMS says she went by to drop off laundry, and saw both kids sometime between 7 and 8. LE later went on to ask about Misty's activities after 8pm, so again, until otherwise proven, I am choosing to believe GGMS's story checks out with LE.

So, with all that, IMO, the reason all those people say Misty was home is because Misty says so.

Tommy says he was there about 10 and no one (not just Misty) was home. My question is how does he know? Did he go in and see no one was there? Just because it's dark and quiet doesn't mean no one is there. Was Misty's car gone, too? Anyway, if that's true, that means Misty AND the kids were gone, not Misty left the kids alone.

Anyway, I see what you are getting at, but since my opinion on it is Misty was at home, and if she did leave, it was to get rid of Haleigh, my answer would be because Misty really was there. My only explanation for Misty insisting she was there the whole time is because Haleigh obviously isn't there anymore, so she thinks that absolves her of doing anything with Haleigh.

BBM
I'm pulling this back up because this is what you asked...you were looking for any information from the witness from the busstop....the audio was from the witness J. Santos...I thought I was helping you...I guess not...so I'll know next time to just to let you find your own information....These audios have been out for quite some time now...

 

[Lanie]

BBM

This snip is the portion of the AH interview where Santo's is describing the conversation w/Misty about the "bad chit". Notice at the end who Santo's said was in the passenger side of the car having this conversation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYEbYK8RPb4

In this snip, you can hear both Ronald and Misty's own words telling completely different versions of how Haleigh got to school on February 9, 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCVrgVLOGTw

Thanks for the links.

BBM

I'm having a difficult time making out what Ron is saying in the second clip. It sounds like he is ASKING "I dropped her off at the bus stop?" but I will repeat myself and say again, I'm not claiming RON is telling the truth about how Haleigh got to school on Feb 9, 2009. I've accepted the story of Haleigh not riding the bus because they (Ron included) went by AS's house to pick up clothes for Haleigh from pretty much since I heard it. How Haleigh got to school that day has never played a part in my opinion on what happened to her IMO much later that night.

The first clip regarding Misty having the 'bad chit' convo with people in another car further bolsters my theory Misty is the one who did something with Haleigh. If Lindsy was in the other car, that further supports Tommy having something to do with what happened. AMOO, of course. And it also, IMO, brings further credence to the stories Misty had taken off FROM Ron and had a binger weekend, again, no one has said Ron participated in that, and IMO, that means Ron wasn't there, so he had nothing to do with the 'bad chit', and therefore probably wasn't the driver of the car Lindsy may have been a passenger in. To me, the more evidence proving the binger weekend makes it more likely the reason Misty allegedly took off was true, which IMO gives Misty even MORE motive to have done something awful to Haleigh.

 

[dodie20]

I've been browsing through the media thread looking for a few things and refreshing my memory on what was said by whom and when.

I found this interesting.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5406914.php

An audio recording from Tim Miller at the bottom of this page. He says a girl approached him at a bar and told him Misty wasn't home that night, she was at a party, and goes on to give details. LE investigates, and tells Tim (my interpretation following) this is a party they have had information on, but it was from the night before.

Tim goes on to say his opinions of the lifestyle these children were being subjected to, how they didn't have a chance, and referring to Ron and Misty said they were "two of the most immature and irresponsible people" he has ever met, and I couldn't agree with him more.

well, if the party was the night before, that throws TN's tale of Ron & Misty sitting up all night working on their problems, right out the door. After looking at that NY picture, those 2 did seem extremely immature. I remember Misty commenting in a jail tape, that she had heard that Ron was talking getto or something like that, & she seemed surprised, & I also remember her telling her dad that Ron used to brag about his drug dealing lifestyle, back in the day...so, I'm thinking the stories weren't true, but told to impress. Also, after he was arrested for fighting with Tommy, I remember reading that he cried off & on all night. So, yes, Ron does seem really immature. Now, I would expect Misty to be immature, because she was 16/17 years old, during all of this, but Ron was a lot older, & had 2 kids to take care of. Also, I never believed TN & GGS's assertions that Misty was the most mature girl they knew, or whatever...She didn't even complete the 7th grade, & probably wasn't much more mature than Haleigh.

 

[Lanie]

BBM
I'm pulling this back up because this is what you asked...you were looking for any information from the witness from the busstop....the audio was from the witness J. Santos...I thought I was helping you...I guess not...so I'll know next time to just to let you find your own information....These audios have been out for quite some time now...

Okay, that's fine with me. I actually asked for info "on" the witness, not "from", and even continued to give an example of what kind of info I was meaning, but again, works for me. As I stated before, if it was a random person and not someone making a plea deal, I would take their word before Ron's, Misty's, etc., and that is exactly what I did, I posted I found his statement credible, but it's all good with me, as I'm not interested in debating how Haleigh got to school that morning anyway,because it is a non-issue for me.

Thanks for providing a link, as I have a difficult time remembering everything that has happened, and that makes it hard to separate the facts from the opinions sometimes. If I ask for a link in the future, please, feel free to ignore my request.

 

[suspicious1]

Thanks Concerned Papa....Which is it? That's what I would like to know....and furthermore...why the need to lie about it?....We can't even seem to get a truthful answer as to how Haleigh got to school that morning...and who the hell-o picked her up from the busstop...Way too many lies, IMO.

Misty says they went to Welaka for an outfit and then her and Ron dropped Haleigh off at school...Misty walked her into her classroom.

Ron says he dropped Haleigh off at the busstop that morning.

The witness, J. Santos says Ron past the busstop that morning...meaning that Ron did not stop at the busstop.

So who are we suppose to believe? IMO, what J Santos says more so backs up what Misty said....and Misty gave a reason as to why they did not stop at the bus stop....because they drove to Welaka...So why didn't Ron tell that? It's almost like he wants to avoid that part of going to Welaka....but why? if that's what really happened? What's the problem? Did he simply forget that they drove there?

Misty says that Ron picked Haleigh up from the bus stop...while she stayed back with JR.

Ron says that he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop.....and he drove her home sitting on his lap.

The witness says that it was Misty who picked up Haleigh...and complained to someone about getting some bad chit...

Chelsea says it was Ron who picked Haleigh up...and Misty later told her that she was in the car with Ron:waitasec:.

If we are to believe the witness...and it was Misty who picked Haleigh up...why does Ron, Chelsea, and Misty claim that Ron was there?....Is it possible that Misty and Ron were together at the bus stop? Ron and Misty claims that it was only Ron picking Haleigh up...the witness and chelsea, puts Misty there....confusing:waitasec:

 

[dodie20]

I just listened to the audio, & they didn't seem positive that the party was the night before...just that drug addicts get their days mixed up. But if the witness went to buy drugs, she was probably sober, & knew what night it was. Since this story made the rounds anyway, why wouldn't Misty just admit that she was there & not at the trailer? if it was indeed, the same night. Listening, to this audio & rereading some early articles, etc...really make me wonder WHY TN said the things she did. Why blame the messenger, Tim Miller? Was her motivation all about damage control, or was something else going on?

 

[Lanie]

well, if the party was the night before, that throws TN's tale of Ron & Misty sitting up all night working on their problems, right out the door. After looking at that NY picture, those 2 did seem extremely immature. I remember Misty commenting in a jail tape, that she had heard that Ron was talking getto or something like that, & she seemed surprised, & I also remember her telling her dad that Ron used to brag about his drug dealing lifestyle, back in the day...so, I'm thinking the stories weren't true, but told to impress. Also, after he was arrested for fighting with Tommy, I remember reading that he cried off & on all night. So, yes, Ron does seem really immature. Now, I would expect Misty to be immature, because she was 16/17 years old, during all of this, but Ron was a lot older, & had 2 kids to take care of. Also, I never believed TN & GGS's assertions that Misty was the most mature girl they knew, or whatever...She didn't even complete the 7th grade, & probably wasn't much more mature than Haleigh.

BBM

In my opinion, it's possible the 'bad chit' stuff could have happened earlier in the night, and then after that Misty went back with Ron.

If I let my biases creep in, I would say it was more likely all this major partying took place Sat. night, as in my world most people would not be able to do all this and show up functioning to work Mon. morning, but then I pinch myself and say this is probably not an issue for the people in this case, which would make Sun. just as plausible as Sat.

 

[suspicious1]

I was just looking through some old videos and found one with Tim Miller....I had never seen this interview before..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31tA3qZ6TCQ