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so would it be normal to carry your gun like this w/ one in the chamber and no safety on??
I personally would not because I don't find it comfortable. But yes.
so would it be normal to carry your gun like this w/ one in the chamber and no safety on??
Actually Mora said he was holding his head and confused.
The other witnesses didn't see or hear half of what JG saw. But yet somehow they are more credible.
Trying to quote MissMazzy (I hope I spelled that right) but it won't let me!
Quote: "Let me get this straight...you would have lain there and let the beating continue and not defend yourself? You're a better person than I am."
I never said that. I would have continued to defend myself with the same force that was being used against me... it was a fist fight. There wasn't a need for a gun at that point. George knew the neighbors were responding. He knew 911 was quickly on their way. I would have done my best to not pulled my weapon until I knew there was literally no other option. He shot TM within 3 minutes of hanging up w/ the police. ANd part of that time he needed to catch up w/ Trayvon. I carry my weapon on me and would absolutely use it if the situation warranted it. The injuries GZ sustained did not warrant the use of deadly force, IMO.
But GZ brought a gun to a fist fight that he caused. When you carry a loaded weapon, it is your responsibility to avoid causing confrontations, because that leads to the possibility of using that weapon. You aren't supposed to get more ballsy because you are armed. GZ caused that confrontation, and then when he was at the disadvantage, he used his weapon. He went after TM instead of remaining in his vehicle. He didn't have to do that. He did not have to approach TM, which I believe he did.
When ya'll get to a break in this trial today, I think anyone interested in the "confront/question" or "self-defense" issues might be interested in this case:
http://5newsonline.com/2013/06/27/suspect-in-custody-in-fort-smith-double-homicide/
Two men are dead after being attacked by a man armed with a machete at a Fort Smith home, according to police.
According to court documents, Kinsey said he was walking back from the Dollar Store when he thought he saw a person who used to date his mother. While looking through a backyard, Kinsey said he was confronted by three people who wanted to know why he was there.
Kinsey and the victims exchanged words and Kinsey pulled out a machete to warn them, the documents state.
Kinsey told police he didnt think the men would let him go so he started swinging the machete, striking two of them. The men backed away, but Kinsey told police he pursued them and hit one of them in the alley, according to court documents.
When did Zimmerman call 911? Source?calling 911 and talking coherently with residence and police....
Trying to quote MissMazzy (I hope I spelled that right) but it won't let me!
Quote: "Let me get this straight...you would have lain there and let the beating continue and not defend yourself? You're a better person than I am."
I never said that. I would have continued to defend myself with the same force that was being used against me... it was a fist fight. There wasn't a need for a gun at that point. George knew the neighbors were responding. He knew 911 was quickly on their way. I would have done my best to not pulled my weapon until I knew there was literally no other option. He shot TM within 3 minutes of hanging up w/ the police. ANd part of that time he needed to catch up w/ Trayvon. I carry my weapon on me and would absolutely use it if the situation warranted it. The injuries GZ sustained did not warrant the use of deadly force, IMO.
But GZ brought a gun to a fist fight that he caused. When you carry a loaded weapon, it is your responsibility to avoid causing confrontations, because that leads to the possibility of using that weapon. You aren't supposed to get more ballsy because you are armed. GZ caused that confrontation, and then when he was at the disadvantage, he used his weapon. He went after TM instead of remaining in his vehicle. He didn't have to do that. He did not have to approach TM, which I believe he did.
You're quoting GZ's version of events; i.e., a TM quote via GZ -- but you omitted the quotes immediately before it.
They went like this:
"You got a problem?"
"You do now."
Youre gonna die tonight, motherf****r.
I guess if we're going to believe GZ quoting TM one time, we may as well believe the other quotes GZ attributes to TM.
Incorrect. They didn't tell him not to follow him. This was covered in testimony by the non emergency 9-11 operator. They do not give instructions.
Were these the exact photos used in court today? They look a little different here.
When did Zimmerman call 911? Source?
This is evidence of a struggle. Inconclusive IMO of who initiated contact.
Wonder if they're fakes?
ABC News thinks they're real.
Here's the link to one on their site:
Beating Victim
I don't know if they really believe it, but some folks think this was inflicted by a shrub, or that GZ did it to himself.
No foolin'...
I spent my teenage years in FL. At that time, and it was a long time ago, the name "Cracker" mean a native born Floridian. They sometimes even introduced themselves as that, meaning they were not from elsewhere. It was not a derogatory term at all. I don't know about now, as I left for school when I was 18.
so would it be normal to carry your gun like this w/ one in the chamber and no safety on??
Oriental looking male witness today. Said he offered to dial 911 but GZ said he already had but asked him to call his wife.
Were these the exact photos used in court today? They look a little different here.
We would have the recording of that 911 call after the shot. I don't think we have proof of calling anyone. He may have been talking about prior to the incident.
When did Zimmerman call 911? Source?