George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #6

[Amber29]

IMO it's normal to not remember every little detail. This had to have been tramatic. I can't imagine going through something like this and then having to tell the story. Knowing every detail is going to be scrutinized and if you don't react a certain way people are going to think you're guilty.

 

[gxm]

Sheaffer is saying that because the state showed the taped interview with GZ saying he shot in self defense, the defense no longer needs to put GZ on the stand. Sheaffer says this was a big gamble and might have been a misstep on the state's part.

JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[Karmady]

ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: EVIDENTIARY FLASHBACK: Zimmerman Recalls Fatal Fight to Police

By Andrew Branca, Attorney at Law
June 14th, 2013 | Florida
http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerm...back-zimmerman-recalls-fatal-fight-to-police/

Below is a snippet from the transcript of the February 27, 2012 Sanford Police Department interview of George Zimmerman by Investigator Singleton, the day after the shooting of Trayvon Martin.


“Help me, help me. He’s killing me.” And he puts his hand on my nose and mouth and he says, “You’re gonna die tonight,” and I don’t remember much after that. I just remem, I couldn’t breath and then he still kept trying to hit my head against the pavement or I don’t know if there was a sign or what it was. So, I just, uh, when I slid, my jacket and my shirt came up and when he said, “You’re gonna die tonight,” I felt his hand go down on my side and I thought he was going for my firearm. So I grabbed it immediately and as he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him.

So, GZ got a accurate shot right into TM's chest while his head was banged into the ground. Hum, that doesn't sit right with me. Also I believe TM saw the gun and was trying to stop GZ from using it on him. I'm not buying into GZ's story here.


http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerm...back-zimmerman-recalls-fatal-fight-to-police/

It was probably accidentally accurate, imo. Which also is, imo, consistent with the rest of his statements that he didn't even know he had hit him.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm sorry to have to say this, but this interview is pointing out GZ's lies...IMO.
I really wanted to give this guy a fair chance. But too many lies here for an innocent person claiming Self Defense. IMO.

I am not seeing the same thing.. Not yet.. so far I think they are trying to break him but I only see that they are trying to trip him up. Im sorry, For me the basic story holds true still. IMO.

 

[Herding Cats]

I am really wondering how this got prosecuted...(the following is a strong opinion, bear in mind I like you guys, so don't freak out on me...LOL).

I believe that GZ felt in fear for his life. I believe GZ shot and killed TM because GZ thought it was either TM or himself. I believe that this case is politically motivated, and that the old "let a jury decide" was a way to brush off the negative publicity by a lot of high-handed, arrogant folk who think that any inter-racial killing is racially motivated.

I believe that GZ should not have been prosecuted, and that this case has very little evidence to support murder 2, or any murder. Under state law, GZ did what he was allowed to do.

If there is an issue with the law, then Floridians need to change it. But it's not up to us to make that determination; and I can only pray that the jury doesn't nullify the law and find GZ guilty.

*This is will be my only post on the subject, but I'll keep reading and listening to yours. I may come and comment about the proceedings, though*

Best-
Herding Cats

All of this is MOO, JMO, OMO, and all that jazz.

 

[DIBSY]

ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: EVIDENTIARY FLASHBACK: Zimmerman Recalls Fatal Fight to Police

By Andrew Branca, Attorney at Law
June 14th, 2013 | Florida
http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerm...back-zimmerman-recalls-fatal-fight-to-police/

Below is a snippet from the transcript of the February 27, 2012 Sanford Police Department interview of George Zimmerman by Investigator Singleton, the day after the shooting of Trayvon Martin.


“Help me, help me. He’s killing me.” And he puts his hand on my nose and mouth and he says, “You’re gonna die tonight,” and I don’t remember much after that. I just remem, I couldn’t breath and then he still kept trying to hit my head against the pavement or I don’t know if there was a sign or what it was. So, I just, uh, when I slid, my jacket and my shirt came up and when he said, “You’re gonna die tonight,” I felt his hand go down on my side and I thought he was going for my firearm. So I grabbed it immediately and as he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him.

So, GZ got a accurate shot right into TM's chest while his head was banged into the ground. Hum, that doesn't sit right with me. Also I believe TM saw the gun and was trying to stop GZ from using it on him. I'm not buying into GZ's story here.


http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerm...back-zimmerman-recalls-fatal-fight-to-police/

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I don't think the jury will either. He even said on that reenactment, he wasn't sure he had hit TM with the bullet. ..At that range...and yet he turns his back on him, according to his own words. What a fairy tale!!IMO To put it nicely.

 

[Jane Jetson]

Wonder why the media is so hell-bent on making this about race? NG is raving, and, if her FB page is any indication, losing a massive amount of fans. It'll be interesting to see what she has to say tonight, in the face of today's state witness testimony.

 

[ncgramma]

Were there any bushes as GZ stated in his interview? GZ stated that Trayvon jumped out of the bushes. The officer on the stand said there were no bushes. Anyone figure this one out yet?

It's in court testimony that there were bushes approximately 3 feet high. (By the neighbor lady who leaned "around the column")

 

[Nezumi]

I agree with you, but I don't think we're supposed to give our opinion on that on this board since there was no pot found at the scene -- just in his body, which may have been old. Per Tricia, above.

Oops! Sorry mods! I didn't see that - please delete if my comment was inappropriate!

 

[sacrablue]

I am confused about how Trayvon is seeing George follow him. Is T on a streetside side walk or walking behind apts? And what would cause you to think someone was following after seeing them sitting on the phone in their car and then riding down a street with all those apts. Why wouldn't u just assume they lived in one of them. I just don't understand Trayvons' view of what George was doing. IMO

IMO Well you are not going to understand the whole story because you are only getting GZ's version of what he thinks happened which is sugar coated for his own behalf.
He had to be walking after TM to get this type of reaction out of someone. Remember TM had as much right to be there as GZ. He had no reason to suspect what GZ was thinking. Being followed might start something. Something triggered this kid to confront GZ.

 

[Overuled]

So far everything I've heard regarding the testimony seems like gz is in all accounts innocent and it looks like a clear cut case of self defense. His story lines up with eye and ear witnesses as best as they can recall.

Before you jump on me and say I haven't heard the whole story yet, remember- I said "so far" and I'll wait before giving my final thoughts.

I'm listenening the way a juror would listen- with no ill feelings toward either person, tm or gz. I have no bias and I am NOT learning about this case through media hype or internet trouble makers.

Keep an eye open to all the facts and put yourself into the shoes of someone accused. The state needs to show more. I need to be convinced of absolute guilt, just like the jury needs to be convinced.

The Martin family must be going through hell. Sad for them.

MOO

 

[NancyGracesBangs]

It seems to me just by sheer virtue of the fact that a lot of the posts as well as the testimony is speculation and opinion indicates that there is reasonable doubt. We have a lot of opinion here and in the media and from the public but even when I read those who are saying he committed M2 or those who say this was self defense, in the reasoning, I still see a lot of what ifs

I am saddened that TM was killed but my confusion as to what really happened (based on GZ, all witnesses, forensics, etc.) only makes me sure of one thing and that is I don't know what really happened and there isn't enough for me to determine beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime GZ is charged with was actually committed.

Whether or not by the end of the trial that changes remains to be seen but as a citizen of the United States where we MUST abide by the laws surrounding those who are accused with crimes, I honestly could not say at this time that he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. IMO.

 

[TorisMom003]

IMO there is a huge problem with Zimmerman being so afraid of Trayvon that he had to shoot him to "survive", especially when one listens to the walk through with LE and sees the following..........

@13:20 on the tape.......
"so I don't know if I pushed him off me or if he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart and I said don't.........(LE asks) Did you flip him over? (Zimmerman says) I don't remember how I got on top of him I'm sorry. But I got on his back and I moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and in the head I thought he had something in his hands. So I just moved his hands apart uh.........(LE asks) But you had him face down then? (Zimmerman says) He was face down and I was on his back and then somebody came along with a flashlight and I thought it was a police officer. So I said are you the police? And I still had my handgun out and I told him are you the police? My gun's right here. And he goes no, no I'm not. I'm phoning the police and I said don't call the police help me restrain this guy. And he said I'm calling the police, I'm calling the police and I said I already called they're on the way, they're coming, I need your help. And then is when the police officer came around and I saw the police officer and I stood up and I holstered my weapon.............."

So we have Zimmerman who claims that he did not know that he had actually shot Trayvon and that he did not know Trayvon was dead and he is spreading his arms apart looking for a weapon in Trayvon's hands while he is still holding his own gun in his hand. So Zimmerman felt safe enough to search for a weapon in the hands of a young man that he thought was alive and uninjured with his own gun in his hand that could have easily been taken out of his own hand and used on him???? To me that makes no sense whatsoever and IMO points to Zimmerman knowing that he had in fact shot and killed Trayvon when he was on Trayvon's back with his gun in his hand.

 

[AngelWings444]

Yes. Because I was attacked in a similar manner and everything GZ has said jibes with my experience. Also, IMO, RJ's testimony sealed it (for me) that TM attacked GZ. JMO. OMO. MOO.

I know someone who had their head pounded into a hardwood floor, fighting for their life and their injuries were horrible. Marks all over. Abrasions all over their neck, head, cheeks from the hands of their attacker. Immediate bruising that lasted for a couple of weeks. Stitches needed in the head, concussion. Black eyes. IMO - GZ did not ever have his head pounded on anything! I haven't believed it from day one.

 

[Jane Jetson]

I'm sorry to have to say this, but this interview is pointing out GZ's lies...IMO.
I really wanted to give this guy a fair chance. But too many lies here for an innocent person claiming Self Defense. IMO.

After listening to the various interviews, some more than once, I'd be interested to know which specific "lies" you're talking about. I haven't heard one. There are, as the female police officer pointed out, differences that are to be expected in a recounting of a crime.

 

[AngelWings444]

It's in court testimony that there were bushes approximately 3 feet high. (By the neighbor lady who leaned "around the column")

They showed the bushes in the walk though. These bushes are to conceal air conditioners. IMO - there is no way a kid who is almost 6 feet tall, could or would hide behind them. Remember there is also a conditioner there too. JMO

 

[sacrablue]

I think you should wait and hear some of the character witnesses when the Defense puts on their case. BTW you forgot to add (imo) after your Dirty Harry comment...I have not seen ANY evidence that he had a personality like that - he seems quite mild mannered and very respectful. IMO

IMO Somebody that sticks a gun in your chest and pulls the trigger is not mild. Don't let his smoke screen fool you.

 

[PaperDoll]

IMO there is a huge problem with Zimmerman being so afraid of Trayvon that he had to shoot him to "survive", especially when one listens to the walk through with LE and sees the following..........

@13:20 on the tape.......
"so I don't know if I pushed him off me or if he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart and I said don't.........(LE asks) Did you flip him over? (Zimmerman says) I don't remember how I got on top of him I'm sorry. But I got on his back and I moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and in the head I thought he had something in his hands. So I just moved his hands apart uh.........(LE asks) But you had him face down then? (Zimmerman says) He was face down and I was on his back and then somebody came along with a flashlight and I thought it was a police officer. So I said are you the police? And I still had my handgun out and I told him are you the police? My gun's right here. And he goes no, no I'm not. I'm phoning the police and I said don't call the police help me restrain this guy. And he said I'm calling the police, I'm calling the police and I said I already called they're on the way, they're coming, I need your help. And then is when the police officer came around and I saw the police officer and I stood up and I holstered my weapon.............."

So we have Zimmerman who claims that he did not know that he had actually shot Trayvon and that he did not know Trayvon was dead and he is spreading his arms apart looking for a weapon in Trayvon's hands while he is still holding his own gun in his hand. So Zimmerman felt safe enough to search for a weapon in the hands of a young man that he thought was alive and uninjured with his own gun in his hand that could have easily been taken out of his own hand and used on him???? To me that makes no sense whatsoever and IMO points to Zimmerman knowing that he had in fact shot and killed Trayvon when he was on Trayvon's back with his gun in his hand.

Also, GZ said TM sat up and said "you got me, you got me".. GZ KNEW he shot TM..

 

[AngelWings444]

Exactly, imo. Wait for cross and, in this case, even the re-direct.

I think the prosector has made some pre-emtive strikes for the defenses case. They decided to put everything out there in their CIC. Don't know if their strategy will work.

 

[ncgramma]

ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: EVIDENTIARY FLASHBACK: Zimmerman Recalls Fatal Fight to Police

By Andrew Branca, Attorney at Law
June 14th, 2013 | Florida
http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerm...back-zimmerman-recalls-fatal-fight-to-police/

Below is a snippet from the transcript of the February 27, 2012 Sanford Police Department interview of George Zimmerman by Investigator Singleton, the day after the shooting of Trayvon Martin.


“Help me, help me. He’s killing me.” And he puts his hand on my nose and mouth and he says, “You’re gonna die tonight,” and I don’t remember much after that. I just remem, I couldn’t breath and then he still kept trying to hit my head against the pavement or I don’t know if there was a sign or what it was. So, I just, uh, when I slid, my jacket and my shirt came up and when he said, “You’re gonna die tonight,” I felt his hand go down on my side and I thought he was going for my firearm. So I grabbed it immediately and as he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him.

So, GZ got a accurate shot right into TM's chest while his head was banged into the ground. Hum, that doesn't sit right with me. Also I believe TM saw the gun and was trying to stop GZ from using it on him. I'm not buying into GZ's story here.


http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerm...back-zimmerman-recalls-fatal-fight-to-police/

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Given how close TM and GZ were to each other, I'd be surprised if the bullet missed hitting TM in the torso.