George's testimony at trial
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You know? I felt so odd when JB was mocking George. It was too much, almost as if he were overacting.
This whole testimony from GA has left me stunned. This whole trial so far has.
I heard a few things today that raised a red flag. Silly things. Things you would not lie about, and yet.
George told the jury that he called Amscot after he got to work, after he picked up the car. Why would he say that? SB said he told him at the tow yard he had talked to Amscot and they had told him the car had been there three days.
Why lie about this? He had every right to call about his car. And yet...
He told the jury he didn't ask SB to accompany him to the trunk. He did. In every interview he discusses the tow yard, he made certain he said SB was with him. Why lie about this? Something so innocuous and you lie about it.
This is starting to stink. :banghead:
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I am cautious about George. He has always confused me; seemingly waffling between helping LE and being confrontational with them, hinting he doesn't trust JB and yet supporting the defense by skewing his testimony to help them. He has never impressed me as a reliably truthful person. I don't have much confidence in him as he, himself, has not changed . . . He has merely changed sides.
It's very possible that he won't be all that helpful to the state because he brings so much baggage with him. Haven't some of our great sleuths here pointed out a few of his lies and contradictions? Even if he could be on the stand and answer truthfully with yes or no answers and use as few words as possible, he would still run the risk of perjuring himself based on some of his past statements. So, although it is a good thing that he finally realizes the truth of what's happening it may be too late.
I have learned (somewhat later than others, LOL) that we always, always end up paying for any bad deeds. Doesn't matter if you've changed since then, are sorry or repentant. There's always that little price you have to pay. George is paying now, imo. And some, I believe, call it karma. In this case, I'm finding it very sad to watch.
It's very possible that he won't be all that helpful to the state because he brings so much baggage with him. Haven't some of our great sleuths here pointed out a few of his lies and contradictions? Even if he could be on the stand and answer truthfully with yes or no answers and use as few words as possible, he would still run the risk of perjuring himself based on some of his past statements. So, although it is a good thing that he finally realizes the truth of what's happening it may be too late.
I have learned (somewhat later than others, LOL) that we always, always end up paying for any bad deeds. Doesn't matter if you've changed since then, are sorry or repentant. There's always that little price you have to pay. George is paying now, imo. And some, I believe, call it karma. In this case, I'm finding it very sad to watch.
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Who had custody of the tape also ties in very closely with WHERE the murder occurred. Did KC go back home after GA left for work, and then she taped up Caylee to smother her to death, or did KC take the tape with her and kill Caylee in the car, in the trunk...someplace besides the A house? Did she tape Caylee up and then hold her under the water in the swimming pool? Who the heck knows? KC is the only living person on this earth that knows. I tend to believe that KC killed Caylee at the house. The dogs alerted at the swimming pool and at KC's trunk. I believe the duct tape was used at the house and was never taken from there until GA took it to use on the Caylee is missing flyers.
Does this make sense to anyone besides me?
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Excellent commentary. Thank you for sharing!
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Did I miss something here...is GA on trial for the murder of Caylee Anthony? Because today in court it sure as hell looked like it.
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That really is a good analysis and it helps me. My feelings have been all over the place with this but I'm landing on sympathy for GA and faith in the State's case. JB and ICA are being very cruel to GA and I think that will work in the State's favor. The jury sees all that. I honestly think that GA is trying to do the right thing... like he did in the very beginning when he testified before the Grand Jury. The problem with GA is that he is torn in his own feelings. He loves his daughter too and doesn't really want to see her get the death penalty. He also has CA to worry about. She is a person with ... um... different ideas about family loyalty. He wants to be on her side too. He just doesn't know where to land I think. All that said and with my sympathy squarely with GA, I am afraid that the DT is going to work at all these little chinks in GA's armor and it will be a big problem when they get to ask questions their own way during their part of the case. With that said, I still think the State has a great case and I believe in the talent that LDB and JA have. I think they will be able to get the jury to see things the way they do. Anyway, that's all just my own opinion after watching the trial from reading this tread, Hinky and Bill Schaeffer. I'm more confident than worried about the case but I feel horrible for GA. He was not acting when he left the courtroom and I saw a crushed man. It's just all so sad.
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About George not considering KC and Caylee missing when he picked up the car-- wasn't KC talking to Cindy on the phone pretty frequently, laying out all the bs about Jacksonville, Juliette Lewis, Tampa, the wreck, all that junk? I thought they both felt like they knew (as much as they could ever know) what KC and Caylee were doing. :waitasec:
BBM Precisely my feelings as well. Something is definitely not right.
Back to yesterday's gas can testimony, don't mean to beat a dead horse but I was really, really curious about the pictures and GA's state deposition so I did some digging to re-fresh my memory.
State’s prosecutors conducted their deposition of George Anthony on August 5th, 2009. The August 1st, 2008 photograph of the gas can was brought up during that deposition.
Here are the photos of State's Exhibit 3. The first photo is from the deposition, you can see the green exhibit tag on the edge of the photo. The second picture is the same only clearer.
George's testimony clearly states he was shown State's Exhibit 3 and he insists he did not put the tape on the can.
Beginning on page 159…
Q Let me show you the next photograph. Let me show you State’s Exhibit 3. Do you recognize what that’s a photograph of?
A It looks like a gas can.
Q Do you recognize it as being a gas can of yours?
A Yes.
Q …was that one of the gas cans that was involved in the incident on the 24th with Casey taking the gas cans? Was that one them?
A Yes. I mean, this is the gas can. It looks — – looks like the one that was taken on the — the one that I reported taken from my shed.
Q Now, that gas can appears to have a piece of duct tape on it. Do you recognize that?
A I didn’t put the duct tape on there.
Q Do you recognize it, though?
A I recognize this can, but I didn’t put that duct tape on there. I wouldn’t do a sloppy job like that.
Q Okay. Have you ever seen that piece of duct tape on that can before?
A Not this particular size, no. No, sir.
Q Have you seen that duct tape in a different size?
A I put duct tape on there one time myself because the plastic cap that was on there was broken off. But when I did it, it was very methodical when I put it on there because it was very neat.
Q All right.
A I didn’t do that right there.
Q You didn’t do that.
A No. I didn’t.
Q …So at some point you say you had put a piece of duct tape over the vent of the can; is that correct?
A Yes. I did. Yes.
Q …When would you have done that?
A I don’t know when I specifically did that, but I know that I did it. Because whenever I put the duct tape over that particular vent hole that you’ve described or you told me about, I did it very neatly. I would not have put something on there like this. That’s not my style.
Q Okay
A I would not have done that.
Q But you do recall that particular can having duct tape in that particular area; right?
A That would go over the vent; yes.
Q And do you recognize that duct tape that’s on that can?
A No. I mean, to me it’s just duct tape. I never looked at a particular brand or anything like that. No. I never have.
Moving on, George contradicts himself on when he put the tape on the can.
Q This photograph was taken August 1st of 2008, according to our records. When you got this can from Casey on the 24th, did it have duct tape on it?
A Did not.
Q It did not.
A Did not.
Q Did it have duct tape on it the last time you saw it before she took it?
A As far as I can remember, yes.
Q So it had duct tape and then when she brought it back, it didn’t?
A Yes.
Q…Did you use that gas can between the 24th and the 1st?
A No. I did not. I went out and bought new cans.
This is a lie^^^^Simon Burch stated GA used the can to put gas in the Sunfire at the impound lot on July 15, he described the can to a T!
Q Why did you do that?
A Because I needed to get gas for the lawnmower and stuff that I had and I didn’t have these in my possession.
Q Oh, so did you get gas on the 24th, you’re saying or bought gas cans on the 24th?
A I think a day or two after that. I went to — and purchased a couple new gas cans.
Q Okay. Casey brought the gas cans back on the 24th and you put them in the shed. Why did you go and buy new ones if those were in the shed?
A Because I had purchased them just prior to that. When they were gone — I didn’t — I did not see my shed was broken into until the 24th.
Q Right.
A I had purchased cans prior to that, two plastic cans I still have in my possession, Jeff.
Q Okay. But why did you buy them if you did not yet know that these were missing?
A Okay. I’m going to be very, very blunt with you. Don’t try to confuse me.
George uses the "Don't try to confuse me" line when he gets caught in a lie and does not want to answer!
Q Okay. I’m just trying to understand if you get the cans back without the duct tape over the vent hole that you had previously had on them, why you wouldn’t have replaced it.
A Because I didn’t go get any gas in it. I would only replace that if I had went and gotten gas in it.
Q So between –
A The gas cans were — this gas can was empty when I got it back.
Here is the photo George testified yesterday he was shown during the deposition. This is the photo JB could not ask about because it was not admitted into trial evidence. I cannot make out the writing on the green exhibit tag or when the photo was taken (after Caylee's remains were found?) but it must have been after it was taken the first time and fingerprinted because it has fingerprint dust all over it and it was taken on a tile floor (in the Anthony's porch?).
Again, the first photo is from the deposition, you can see the green exhibit tag on the edge of the photo. The second picture is the same only clearer.
Which photo was George shown in the deposition? In his testimony yesterday he says he was shown the photo of the dirty can and he insists he did not put the duct tape on the can in that photo. Also, in his deposition he states he does not recall the date he put the tape on the can but in yesterday's testimony he stated he put it on right after Casey returned the cans on June 24.
To me the tape looks to be the same in both photos. Anyone else have an opinion or find a way to measure it or enlarge it to see the details better? I am terrible with images and photoshop stuff, anything would be appreciated.
State’s prosecutors conducted their deposition of George Anthony on August 5th, 2009. The August 1st, 2008 photograph of the gas can was brought up during that deposition.
Here are the photos of State's Exhibit 3. The first photo is from the deposition, you can see the green exhibit tag on the edge of the photo. The second picture is the same only clearer.
George's testimony clearly states he was shown State's Exhibit 3 and he insists he did not put the tape on the can.
Beginning on page 159…
Q Let me show you the next photograph. Let me show you State’s Exhibit 3. Do you recognize what that’s a photograph of?
A It looks like a gas can.
Q Do you recognize it as being a gas can of yours?
A Yes.
Q …was that one of the gas cans that was involved in the incident on the 24th with Casey taking the gas cans? Was that one them?
A Yes. I mean, this is the gas can. It looks — – looks like the one that was taken on the — the one that I reported taken from my shed.
Q Now, that gas can appears to have a piece of duct tape on it. Do you recognize that?
A I didn’t put the duct tape on there.
Q Do you recognize it, though?
A I recognize this can, but I didn’t put that duct tape on there. I wouldn’t do a sloppy job like that.
Q Okay. Have you ever seen that piece of duct tape on that can before?
A Not this particular size, no. No, sir.
Q Have you seen that duct tape in a different size?
A I put duct tape on there one time myself because the plastic cap that was on there was broken off. But when I did it, it was very methodical when I put it on there because it was very neat.
Q All right.
A I didn’t do that right there.
Q You didn’t do that.
A No. I didn’t.
Q …So at some point you say you had put a piece of duct tape over the vent of the can; is that correct?
A Yes. I did. Yes.
Q …When would you have done that?
A I don’t know when I specifically did that, but I know that I did it. Because whenever I put the duct tape over that particular vent hole that you’ve described or you told me about, I did it very neatly. I would not have put something on there like this. That’s not my style.
Q Okay
A I would not have done that.
Q But you do recall that particular can having duct tape in that particular area; right?
A That would go over the vent; yes.
Q And do you recognize that duct tape that’s on that can?
A No. I mean, to me it’s just duct tape. I never looked at a particular brand or anything like that. No. I never have.
Moving on, George contradicts himself on when he put the tape on the can.
Q This photograph was taken August 1st of 2008, according to our records. When you got this can from Casey on the 24th, did it have duct tape on it?
A Did not.
Q It did not.
A Did not.
Q Did it have duct tape on it the last time you saw it before she took it?
A As far as I can remember, yes.
Q So it had duct tape and then when she brought it back, it didn’t?
A Yes.
Q…Did you use that gas can between the 24th and the 1st?
A No. I did not. I went out and bought new cans.
This is a lie^^^^Simon Burch stated GA used the can to put gas in the Sunfire at the impound lot on July 15, he described the can to a T!
Q Why did you do that?
A Because I needed to get gas for the lawnmower and stuff that I had and I didn’t have these in my possession.
Q Oh, so did you get gas on the 24th, you’re saying or bought gas cans on the 24th?
A I think a day or two after that. I went to — and purchased a couple new gas cans.
Q Okay. Casey brought the gas cans back on the 24th and you put them in the shed. Why did you go and buy new ones if those were in the shed?
A Because I had purchased them just prior to that. When they were gone — I didn’t — I did not see my shed was broken into until the 24th.
Q Right.
A I had purchased cans prior to that, two plastic cans I still have in my possession, Jeff.
Q Okay. But why did you buy them if you did not yet know that these were missing?
A Okay. I’m going to be very, very blunt with you. Don’t try to confuse me.
George uses the "Don't try to confuse me" line when he gets caught in a lie and does not want to answer!
Q Okay. I’m just trying to understand if you get the cans back without the duct tape over the vent hole that you had previously had on them, why you wouldn’t have replaced it.
A Because I didn’t go get any gas in it. I would only replace that if I had went and gotten gas in it.
Q So between –
A The gas cans were — this gas can was empty when I got it back.
Here is the photo George testified yesterday he was shown during the deposition. This is the photo JB could not ask about because it was not admitted into trial evidence. I cannot make out the writing on the green exhibit tag or when the photo was taken (after Caylee's remains were found?) but it must have been after it was taken the first time and fingerprinted because it has fingerprint dust all over it and it was taken on a tile floor (in the Anthony's porch?).
Again, the first photo is from the deposition, you can see the green exhibit tag on the edge of the photo. The second picture is the same only clearer.
Which photo was George shown in the deposition? In his testimony yesterday he says he was shown the photo of the dirty can and he insists he did not put the duct tape on the can in that photo. Also, in his deposition he states he does not recall the date he put the tape on the can but in yesterday's testimony he stated he put it on right after Casey returned the cans on June 24.
To me the tape looks to be the same in both photos. Anyone else have an opinion or find a way to measure it or enlarge it to see the details better? I am terrible with images and photoshop stuff, anything would be appreciated.
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I'm afraid I'm not undceided. I think he's totally doing it to save his own neck. All this "truth telling" and "standing up for Caylee" came about when he was called a child rapist and not before. I can't help but think if JB could have found a way to pin everything on RK he would be cheering the defense on and snarling and smirking at the SA from the stand.
Maybe my daughter is right. I'm just a big meanie.
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George is doing great, but he needs to be careful to not give it right back to JB. It was great that George managed to get in the fact that he knows JB is goading him to get angry. Plus, ICA is putting off some vile, evil, cold looks that jurors can see. She repulses me. She should be up there feeling like the caught liar and thief that she has been proven to be. Can't the jurors see how delighted she is watching her Dad try to explain his grief? I can't wait until they let the dogs out on her.
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And why was JB wanting someone to admit the trunk smelled like decomp?
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He wanted GA to say he smelled the garbage, imo.
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That's just not true. He told the truth in LE interviews. Rewatch them if you do not believe me.
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I wondered about that too and came to the conclusion that in some crazy way he is still trying to protect KC.
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I pondered the same thing and I think I have it figured out. The image below is the one shown to George on August 5th and we all saw it on the monitor in the trial yesterday. George said that he did put that duct tape on there to cover the broken vent cap.
Then Baez showed him another gas can image and George immediately knew it wasn't one shown to him on Aug 5. The Judge said that it was an image that was not in evidence. We never got to see that image on the monitor. Still, George said that he didn't put that tape on there as seen in the non-evidence image. He mentioned it being large and sloppy. We don't see that particular image and George wasn't shown it on Aug 5th either.