Found Deceased Germany - Liam Colgan, 29, Scottish tourist, Hamburg, 10 Feb 2018

[Deleted member 219975]

All these people left a trace of themselves at some stage. There is zero proof of life since the night Liam went missing.

very true...the chance he walked onto a slow boat to china with no communications is slim...it is still possible he has got memory loss and some where miles away where the news hasnt got to.....

 

[Deleted member 219975]

thing is as well theres zero proof of death

 

[rosesfromangels]

Apologies if this has already been posted. Supposedly new sitings. Boy I hope this is legit:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...colgan-search-nationwide-hamburg-hitchhiking/

 

[Deleted member 219975]

i hope it is but unfortunately these newspapers are famous for printing anything to get a story, not that this isnt maybe new but they take a hint and turn it into certain fact...sorry to be a bit down on them but they are the sensationalising section of the press or as know the red tops..they are the sort that will say elvis was seen as well... ..theyve been doing it with the moors murders and keith bennett...

 

[Deleted member 219975]

what they are saying is for 3 days,1 night very drunk, he managed to stay hidden then ok memory loss,he started to hitch hike across germany...thing is why does no one see him in between sightings? its possible but curious. he has to be eating and sleeping so unless hes suddenly become an expert at outdoor survival and is avoiding civilisation it seems odd he can turn up iin what are small towns and not be seen all over. they have to follow up live sightings first. im sure the police ect searched his route back to the hotel but its a big area. and limited people.

 

[dotr]

Wondering if Liam was easily able to grow a beard and how long it could conceivably become since he went missing?
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/missing-liam-colgan-collection-scot-who-vanished-in-germany-to-finally-go-ahead-at-dundee-united-clash/
March 20, 2018

Missing Liam Colgan: Collection for Scot who vanished in Germany to finally go ahead at Dundee United clash

“The people of Dundee have really come out to help us. There’s been a huge effort here.”
Eamonn said that the family remain positive that Liam will still be found alive in Germany.

He said: “The search is ongoing. Our mum Patricia has just come back from Germany.

“She hadn’t gone out before but she felt she had to because she was feeling so helpless at home.

“She is holding up OK but this is obviously a very difficult time for her.”

Eamonn said he was working on the basis that his brother had now left Hamburg.
He said: “That could explain why there have been fewer sighting of him in the city.
“One theory that we are working on is that he has gone hitchhiking round Germany. We don’t know this for sure but it is something we are considering.”

 

[Elainera]

Wondering if Liam was easily able to grow a beard and how long it could conceivably become since he went missing?
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/missing-liam-colgan-collection-scot-who-vanished-in-germany-to-finally-go-ahead-at-dundee-united-clash/
March 20, 2018

His head hair should be about half an inch longer now, and he would have more than just a stubble now.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Latest article again stating there are alleged sitings of Liam:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/reported-sighting-of-missing-liam-colgan-in-german-town-1-4709909

 

[dotr]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/missing-stag-scot-liam-colgan-12225602

[h=1]Missing stag do Scot Liam Colgan 'spotted 30 miles away from where he vanished'[/h]Searchers receive unconfirmed sighting of the 29-year-old after he was reported missing more than a month ago.

A statement released on social media said: "As many of you will be aware, a sighting of Liam was reported in Harsefeld, a town 50km west of Hamburg.

"Unfortunately, due to the lack of CCTV and photographic evidence, it was not possible to verify this sighting. Therefore, we are still uncertain as to Liam's whereabouts.

 

[Owl4]

I am curious if it was Liam or not that was seen 30 miles away, did the person/s call police right away? Or just made assumptions an rumor spread?

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[rosesfromangels]

I am curious if it was Liam or not that was seen 30 miles away, did the person/s call police right away? Or just made assumptions an rumor spread?

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Hopefully LE can tell if it’s a legit lead. The fact he is a redhead works in favor, as there is such a small population unless you are Scottish orbIrish.

 

[Deleted member 219975]

The fact that he when last possibly traced by the dogs was up by the church near the main road suggests he was still trying to head in the direction of the hotel.. the problem is that could be also true in reverse as the dogs cannot tell the direction of travel just the route so if he had walked down from the church the route would be the same. the fact that the scent was lost by the church is understandable as its used by coaches a lot and a lot of people.
but assuming he left the gj building and walked up that suggests he had sense of direction at least to the main road. so if u assume he is walking round germany somewhere that means he sustained an injury somewhere between there and the hotel that caused memory change. if he caught a taxi then u would assume he got to the hotel. if he attempted to walk the route and was injured then he must have gone off the main road as obviously he would have been found. i have a feeling the sightings are just mistaken sightings. my gut feeling is hes somewhere along the route from the church to the hotel.

 

[rosesfromangels]

The fact that he when last possibly traced by the dogs was up by the church near the main road suggests he was still trying to head in the direction of the hotel.. the problem is that could be also true in reverse as the dogs cannot tell the direction of travel just the route so if he had walked down from the church the route would be the same. the fact that the scent was lost by the church is understandable as its used by coaches a lot and a lot of people.
but assuming he left the gj building and walked up that suggests he had sense of direction at least to the main road. so if u assume he is walking round germany somewhere that means he sustained an injury somewhere between there and the hotel that caused memory change. if he caught a taxi then u would assume he got to the hotel. if he attempted to walk the route and was injured then he must have gone off the main road as obviously he would have been found. i have a feeling the sightings are just mistaken sightings. my gut feeling is hes somewhere along the route from the church to the hotel.

According to this source, https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/9673.php
amnesia is *very* rare. If still living (praying for that!), I believe Liam is taking a voluntary break from his life.
I still hold to that theory. Let's hope I'm right!

 

[gregjrichards]

Does Germany have a lot less CCTV etc due to privacy laws? It just seems so strange how there is no way of verifying these new sightings are legit in 2018 where we are led to believe our every public movement is being monitored.

 

[gregjrichards]

According to this source, https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/9673.php
amnesia is *very* rare. If still living (praying for that!), I believe Liam is taking a voluntary break from his life.
I still hold to that theory. Let's hope I'm right!

I hope so too thank you for keeping the hope alive rosesamongangels. Unfortunately after the two week mark I start fearing the worst in these cases.

 

[cybervampira]

Does Germany have a lot less CCTV etc due to privacy laws? It just seems so strange how there is no way of verifying these new sightings are legit in 2018 where we are led to believe our every public movement is being monitored.

There is mostly private CCTV (inside homes, banks, stores, etc.) and users are not allowed to capture public ground. Public CCTV can mostly be found in public transport, high-risk areas, some traffic hotspots and each individual state has their own laws, police is not allowed to transmit real time CCTV. Here‘s an article about it (it‘s mainly about Berlin but it’s pretty much the same situation in Hamburg whereas regions like Bavaria give police more freedom):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/21/germany-to-expand-cctv-network

„Laws in Germany around the use of surveillance cameras are more restrictive than in many other countries and, even though Monday’s attack took place on one of the busiest squares in the city, no footage of the incident has yet been made public.

The proposed new laws will allow for an increased use of CCTV in public places such as sports stadiums and shopping centres, as well as forcing data protection commissioners to give greater weight than before to “the protection of life, health and freedom” when deciding whether to permit video surveillance.“

And:

„While the new legislation would represent a relaxation of the country’s strict privacy laws, the power to allow or to ban CCTV cameras in public spaces remains with Germany’s states and city states.

Only the regions of Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg, Hesse, Saxony and Saarland allow the use of surveillance cameras in “public places”, a definition that does not cover railway stations or public transport.

In Berlin, there are almost 15,000 CCTV cameras installed on vehicles, about 3,200 of which can be switched to live transmission. But data privacy regulations stop the police from installing cameras in public spaces that transmit images in real time.

In June, Berlin’s then interior minister tried to change local law to allow CCTV surveillance of crime hotspots such as Alexanderplatz and Kottbusser Tor in Kreuzberg. But the proposal failed partly because of a last-minute intervention by the Pirate party, which entered the state parliament in 2011 on a data protection agenda.

The city’s police union argues that restrictions put its officers at a disadvantage compared with those in regions such as Bavaria, where they can set up mobile CCTV units.“

 

[cybervampira]

Message and flyer received from „Help find Liam Colgan“ FB (I had been in contact with them via FB Messenger earlier):

Dear Supporter

Thank you for the assistance you have given us so far in the search for Liam. It is now nearly five and a half weeks since he went missing and thanks to the efforts of supporters like you the story is well known in Hamburg and many searches have now been undertaken. Unfortunately he has not been found yet and we now think that he could be anywhere in Germany. Perhaps he is in one of the cities he has visited before or maybe he is instinctively using the experience he has gained as a traveller in the hope of finding his way home. With this thought in mind we hope you might help us even more, if you haven’t already done so, by sharing this message and the Facebook group details with friends throughout Germany. Please ask them if they could give us more hope by putting up posters (see poster attached) in their neighbourhoods throughout the country and keep on the lookout for Liam. If he is seen then we ask that he is helped by calling the Police and messaging our Facebook page with the details. With your help we believe that Liam can be found.

Thank you,

Liam’s family and friends

 

[gregjrichards]

There is mostly private CCTV (inside homes, banks, stores, etc.) and users are not allowed to capture public ground. Public CCTV can mostly be found in public transport, high-risk areas, some traffic hotspots and each individual state has their own laws, police is not allowed to transmit real time CCTV. Here‘s an article about it (it‘s mainly about Berlin but it’s pretty much the same situation in Hamburg whereas regions like Bavaria give police more freedom):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/21/germany-to-expand-cctv-network

„Laws in Germany around the use of surveillance cameras are more restrictive than in many other countries and, even though Monday’s attack took place on one of the busiest squares in the city, no footage of the incident has yet been made public.

The proposed new laws will allow for an increased use of CCTV in public places such as sports stadiums and shopping centres, as well as forcing data protection commissioners to give greater weight than before to “the protection of life, health and freedom” when deciding whether to permit video surveillance.“

And:

„While the new legislation would represent a relaxation of the country’s strict privacy laws, the power to allow or to ban CCTV cameras in public spaces remains with Germany’s states and city states.

Only the regions of Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg, Hesse, Saxony and Saarland allow the use of surveillance cameras in “public places”, a definition that does not cover railway stations or public transport.

In Berlin, there are almost 15,000 CCTV cameras installed on vehicles, about 3,200 of which can be switched to live transmission. But data privacy regulations stop the police from installing cameras in public spaces that transmit images in real time.

In June, Berlin’s then interior minister tried to change local law to allow CCTV surveillance of crime hotspots such as Alexanderplatz and Kottbusser Tor in Kreuzberg. But the proposal failed partly because of a last-minute intervention by the Pirate party, which entered the state parliament in 2011 on a data protection agenda.

The city’s police union argues that restrictions put its officers at a disadvantage compared with those in regions such as Bavaria, where they can set up mobile CCTV units.“

Thank you for sharing this information. I knew from the Germanwings tragedy that the laws in Germany regarding privacy were quite strict and different to other countries. I just hope Liam is seen on CCTV asap if he is still with us.

Message and flyer received from „Help find Liam Colgan“ FB (I had been in contact with them via FB Messenger earlier):

Dear Supporter

Thank you for the assistance you have given us so far in the search for Liam. It is now nearly five and a half weeks since he went missing and thanks to the efforts of supporters like you the story is well known in Hamburg and many searches have now been undertaken. Unfortunately he has not been found yet and we now think that he could be anywhere in Germany. Perhaps he is in one of the cities he has visited before or maybe he is instinctively using the experience he has gained as a traveller in the hope of finding his way home. With this thought in mind we hope you might help us even more, if you haven’t already done so, by sharing this message and the Facebook group details with friends throughout Germany. Please ask them if they could give us more hope by putting up posters (see poster attached) in their neighbourhoods throughout the country and keep on the lookout for Liam. If he is seen then we ask that he is helped by calling the Police and messaging our Facebook page with the details. With your help we believe that Liam can be found.

Thank you,

Liam’s family and friends

Thank you so much for sharing this information and flyer.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Please pray this is true!!!!!

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/2405026/liam-colgan-sighting-sign-help-home-hamburg/

 

[anonypotomous]

Please pray this is true!!!!!

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/2405026/liam-colgan-sighting-sign-help-home-hamburg/

Why is is with all of these sightings NO ONE can take a photo??? Everyone has a cellphone now, yet no photos. It's really frustrating in cases like this because it happens so often.

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