Found Deceased Germany - Liam Colgan, 29, Scottish tourist, Hamburg, 10 Feb 2018

[rosesfromangels]

It sounds like Liam will be well supported and loved by many when he returns home.
No questions asked Liam, time to go home! Friends and loved ones are waiting.

 

[gregjrichards]

Outlander actress Caitriona Balfe helping to bring publicity to Liam's case. I wish more celebrities would think about highlighting missing persons' cases, they can reach a lot of people easily:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...-caitriona-balfe-liam-colgan-missing-hamburg/

It would be great so many people are missing it is unbelievable.

Deutsche Post (German Postal Service) distributed 300.000 flyers yesterday (German article).
https://www.bild.de/regional/hambur...-hilft-bei-suche-nach-liam-55013906.bild.html

This is such a great effort I am very pleased the German people have been so helpful in finding someone who is not one of their own citizens.

It sounds like Liam will be well supported and loved by many when he returns home.
No questions asked Liam, time to go home! Friends and loved ones are waiting.

I hope this is the case but I'm losing hope their will be a happy outcome here. Sorry I don't mean to be negative at all and want Liam home alive to his family.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Logic says you are right Greg.
However, I believe he is still alive.
Praying I am right. God Bless his family.

 

[Ironside]

Outlander actress Caitriona Balfe helping to bring publicity to Liam's case. I wish more celebrities would think about highlighting missing persons' cases, they can reach a lot of people easily:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...-caitriona-balfe-liam-colgan-missing-hamburg/

That is nice of her to do so but I actually can't think of a case where a celebrity has got involved and then the missing person then magically turned up safe and well.

There hasn't been any mention of the police in Hamburg using underwater cadaver dogs, does anyone know if there even are any of these dogs available in Germany? Seeing as all the sightings since the cctv and searches have led to nothing the water really should be checked.

Link from today, the longer this goes on the sorrier I feel for his family.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-43332902

 

[cybervampira]

That is nice of her to do so but I actually can't think of a case where a celebrity has got involved and then the missing person then magically turned up safe and well.

There hasn't been any mention of the police in Hamburg using underwater cadaver dogs, does anyone know if there even are any of these dogs available in Germany? Seeing as all the sightings since the cctv and searches have led to nothing the water really should be checked.

Link from today, the longer this goes on the sorrier I feel for his family.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-43332902

I read in this German article that the area is simply too vast. Germany has special dogs but even if a dog picked up a scent at a certain location, the water is too murky and they would have to search underwater blindly with their hands which is not promising at all. Water level rises with the flood tide for six hours from low to high water. In the next six hours the water level falls with the ebb to low water again. The rise and fall of the water creates a tidal current that in Hamburg runs at about 2.5 knots. I don‘t remember a single case where divers found a body (unless someone reported a floating body at a certain location).
https://www.abendblatt.de/nachrichten/article213504145/Wo-ist-sein-Bruder-Liam.html

 

[MelmothTheLost]

There hasn't been any mention of the police in Hamburg using underwater cadaver dogs,

I'd never even heard of underwater cadaver dogs and I thought I was pretty much up to speed on tools and resources available for searches.

 

[cybervampira]

I'd never even heard of underwater cadaver dogs and I thought I was pretty much up to speed on tools and resources available for searches.

I only know there are special water search dogs that can pick up a scent from the water surface (from a boat). I don‘t know of any rescue dogs that would go underwater but even if there were such dogs, this would absolutely be out of question for the river Elbe anyway.

 

[dotr]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-43332902

[h=1]Liam Colgan's family say the search for him 'won't stop'[/h]9 March 2018

Eamonn told BBC Scotland the family refuses to believe Liam is no longer alive
He said: "There is no doubt in my mind he is still alive.
"We need to believe that.
"If I stop believing that then our chances of finding him will diminish.
"I do constantly remain hopeful - I'm not going to stop being optimistic about this.
"I owe it to Liam to continue being hopeful and confident that we'll find him.

He remains hopeful and said: "We get updates on Facebook every day saying they [Facebook users] only just heard of it.

"We are constantly reaching more people and the more we can reach the more chance we have of getting that one bit of information that we need.

"A lot of sightings are reported after, so the more we can spread the news the more likely we will be to get that sighting where someone is saying 'I'm with Liam right now'."

 

[dotr]

This may not apply to Liam, but these are tips when searching for a person with dementia.fwiw, bbm.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...cking-missing-persons-with-dementia-1.2460571

[h=1]5 tips for tracking missing persons with dementia[/h][h=2]Search and rescue expert says dementia patients are hard to find, but there are some patterns[/h]

Robert J. Koester, a U.S. search and rescue expert based in Virginia, who spoke with Stephen Quinn on CBC Radio One's On The Coast, says dementia patients are the hardest subjects to find, and time is of the essence.

"The sooner you can get more eyes involved, the better. The more urban the area, the better the chance that somebody other than search and rescue is going to make the find," he said.

1. They'll go until they get stuck

"It's probably counter-intuitive that they go into some of the thickest, nastiest brush or briars," Koester said.

He said persons with severe cases of dementia will head out an exit door, keep going until a barrier or a bend in the road redirects them and, if not found soon enough, they will eventually head off into the brush or into a water feature, where they get stuck, and stay.

2. Water can be a draw

After fighting through brush and trees and other obstacles, some dementia patients will find a welcome relief when a pond, lake, stream, or river opens up in front of them: "My guess is, maybe finally they thought it was a flat place, like a nice sidewalk, to walk."

3. Searchers may be ignored, or avoided

"They tend not to respond to searchers' shouts," he said. "They're living so much in the present, they can watch a search team walk right by them."

4. Look to the past

More moderate cases of dementia will see the patient trying to find their way around a neighbourhood, thinking they are in a different location from their past, and seeking out familiar-looking features.

5. Each case is unique, but always the same

An area of thick brush that other people will avoid isn't as much of a barrier, if you can remember the easier terrain you just passed through. In a world with little or no short-term memory, there is little ability to remember to turn around.

 

[Quill]

That is nice of her to do so but I actually can't think of a case where a celebrity has got involved and then the missing person then magically turned up safe and well.

I think that the benefit of any celebrity retweeting an appeal to find a missing person is this: This actress has over 300K followers all over the world, with quite a good following in Germany. Anything that gets the message as widespread as possible, right? She also has a local connection being that she lives and works in Scotland.

 

[curiosityscat]

I only know there are special water search dogs that can pick up a scent from the water surface (from a boat). I don‘t know of any rescue dogs that would go underwater but even if there were such dogs, this would absolutely be out of question for the river Elbe anyway.

@Cybervampira is Correct, I don’t believe they are called anything other than Cadaver Search Dogs; however, I saw one TV discussion of them, and the dog they used/tested, was able to pick up the scent w/the human handler, and they were within a short distance of the location. Much to the surprise of the under water dive team member, who was responsible for placing the test/bait, and retrieving it afterwards. I think in this test the dog found it within something like 26minutes on a huge lake.

*laughs* Although the dog itself & its human never actually go “under” the water, nor in it at all. They simply have someone drive them around the body of water in a search grid pattern until the dog alerts.

Here is a website discussing the training:
http://www.boatus.com/pets/underwater.asp


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[cybervampira]

@Cybervampira is Correct, I don’t believe they are called anything other than Cadaver Search Dogs; however, I saw one TV discussion of them, and the dog they used/tested, was able to pick up the scent w/the human handler, and they were within a short distance of the location. Much to the surprise of the under water dive team member, who was responsible for placing the test/bait, and retrieving it afterwards. I think in this test the dog found it within something like 26minutes on a huge lake.

*laughs* Although the dog itself & its human never actually go “under” the water, nor in it at all. They simply have someone drive them around the body of water in a search grid pattern until the dog alerts.

Here is a website discussing the training:
http://www.boatus.com/pets/underwater.asp


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Awww, dogs are fantastic. I only get a glimpse of how good their noses are when I see my dog following dog footprints in the snow. He‘s 16 years old, almost deaf and blind but his nose works just fine! [emoji4]

 

[cybervampira]

Raise a glass and help bid to find Liam
https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/News/Raise-a-glass-and-help-bid-to-find-Liam-09032018.htm

A WEEKEND fundraiser for missing man Liam Colgan launches in bars and pubs across Inverness tonight.

The "One for Liam" campaign will allow revellers to donate the price of an extra drink in their rounds to the ongoing search for the 29-year-old, of Holm Mills, who went missing in Hamburg while on his brother Eamonn’s stag do.

Liam has been missing since February 10 and the fund will be used either in the ongoing search for him or – in the worst case scenario – to bring his body home.

With Liam missing since February 10 Eamonn Colgan admitted earlier this week that the family’s thoughts were turning that way even as they try to remain positive.

Hundreds of people have been out searching the streets for Liam in Germany and the Hamburg postal service has distributed more than 300,000 leaflets bearing his face and details.

"It is bizarre that it all happened four weeks ago now," said Mr Colgan, whose wedding had been due to take place last Friday but was postponed.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Missing postie Liam Colgan's manager reveals locals are 'devastated by his disappearance'
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/missing-postie-liam-colgans-manager-12136705
Some snippets from the article:

So sweet...

Liam would take the time on his postie route to check in on the elderly in the village...:heart:

 

[cybervampira]

„Interview with the Encore pub manager Tommy regarding this weekend's fundraising. He has been a driving force in helping to organise the 'One for Liam' initiative - helping to support the family in the ongoing search for Liam.“
https://www.facebook.com/findliam/videos/2110194059224868/

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Raise a glass and help bid to find Liam
https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/News/Raise-a-glass-and-help-bid-to-find-Liam-09032018.htm

Liam has been missing since February 10 and the fund will be used either in the ongoing search for him or – in the worst case scenario – to bring his body home.

Isn't that what travel insurance is partly for, to repatriate your remains if you die abroad?

Or is this a tacit admission that the group travelled without insurance?

 

[TickettyBoo]

Isn't that what travel insurance is partly for, to repatriate your remains if you die abroad?Or is this a tacit admission that the group travelled without insurance?

Is some travel insurance not just valid for the duration of your holiday?

 

[curiosityscat]

Isn't that what travel insurance is partly for, to repatriate your remains if you die abroad?

Or is this a tacit admission that the group travelled without insurance?

Is some travel insurance not just valid for the duration of your holiday?

That is basically the definition of ‘Travel Insurance’, it is Insurance that specifically covers you for the duration of your travel..BUT, the “catch” is what TYPE or HOW MUCH Insurance you get..

There is the typical basic policy, which usually just covers the cost of you having to cancel your trip, or you missing your trip for medical reasons, or it can cover the reimbursement of your flight only...or... flight+hotel ...or flight+hotel+rental car...

The there are more extensive policies and at times “add-ons” which you can purchase.

For Example:
• There are Add-ons that will cover any medical care during your travel...some go so far as to stipulate that they will cover the cost of airplane/helicopter or any flight in order to get you to a US high quality equivalent medical hospital (this is important for those traveling in out of the way locations like the amazon or in countries with subpar medical care, when you’d be much happier & safer & better treated if flown to another country even! **** I would never travel out of country or even to Puerto Rico without this coverage, as I’ve read too many horror stories & too many stories why it was critical to care..& before anyone asks/states, your own regular employee health insurance does not cover flying your sick bum anywhere for treatment...well, not unless you’re a high level executive and even rarely then...just as a heads up!

• There are Add-ons that cover Your potential death/demise, which will then cover the cost of shipping your body home, along with filing the appropriate paperwork with the various governments

• There are Add-on which cover if you end up getting incarcerated/thrown in prison..Ppl do not realize that many things which may be a normal custom where you live, can easily get you jailed if you do it in other countries...so, there is this Add-on & it covers getting & bond/bail up to $X, and paying for a local & advising Atty, etc..

MY POINT IS: They may not have bought travel insurance, because that usually costs extra and you have to pay for it separately, and which travel insurance they may or may not have bought also factors into it, so it’s a complex issue and difficult to know w/o a copy of an actual Policy & any Additional Policy Riders (Add-ons)

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[MelmothTheLost]

Is some travel insurance not just valid for the duration of your holiday?

Not necessarily. If you end up in hospital during your trip and are still there when your holiday is due to end, cover continues because the incident that put you there occurred during the period of cover.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

That is basically the definition of ‘Travel Insurance’, it is Insurance that specifically covers you for the duration of your travel..BUT, the “catch” is what TYPE or HOW MUCH Insurance you get..

Over here, repatriation (alive or dead) is almost always covered under medical expenses which are a standard feature of policies. Add-ons tend to be for things like winter or dangerous sports, older travellers or for people with pre-existing health conditions, though the latter two are often covered as standard on more specialised policies.

Here in the UK many people have basic travel cover included as part of a package of benefits associated with certain bank accounts, though these "bundled" accounts are coming under challenge at present.

We also have the EHIC card/scheme which allows most Europeans to access state health care on the same basis as locals on a reciprocal basis. The card is issued free but you might have to pay for some services if the cost would also be paid by a person living in that country.

However, it seems that 20% of Brits travel without making any travel insurance arrangements. In the case of a stag or hen party, paying for travel insurance might not seem worth it since getting steaming drunk usually invalidates the policy for incidents arising from drunkenness. So even if Liam had travel insurance it would almost certainly have been invalidated because he was completely ratted when he went missing.

But to put it in perspective, a single trip policy for travel in Europe for someone of Liam's age costs less than £10.

https://www.moneysupermarket.com/travel-insurance/guide/