Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #4

[Mex]

We've had a profiler in court confirming it, any nonsense proclaiming DMs attack was filmed should end.

I know it may be difficult to prove a negative.
But could you possibly provide some form of substantiation for your assertion of "No Video" rather than just opinion. thankyou

 

[frank-cole]

I know it may be difficult to prove a negative.
But could you possibly provide some form of substantiation for your assertion of "No Video" rather than just opinion. thankyou

It’s just a preconceived agenda born out an opinion on the MM case. It won’t change. The prosecution have to be painted as incompetent & all evidence & witness testimonies must be refuted or denied. Pro-CB or Pro-victim, directly links to one’s opinion on the MM case.

It’s interesting how polarising this case has become. We all feign a level of impartiality but the reality is either one or the other.

 

[RichardKimble]

I know it may be difficult to prove a negative.
But could you possibly provide some form of substantiation for your assertion of "No Video" rather than just opinion. thankyou

<modsnip> ... it's in here.

BKA-Chefprofiler hält Christian B. für Serienvergewaltiger

Fortsetzung im Prozess gegen den Maddie-Verdächtigen nach der Sommerpause: Das Gutachten des Fallanalytikers hinterlässt viele Fragen.

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

 

[Mex]

<modsnip> ... it's in here.

BKA-Chefprofiler hält Christian B. für Serienvergewaltiger

Fortsetzung im Prozess gegen den Maddie-Verdächtigen nach der Sommerpause: Das Gutachten des Fallanalytikers hinterlässt viele Fragen.

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

As I point out ad nauseum it is next to impossible to keep an informed position primarily as a result of the manner of reporting in German media.

It is little at all to do with paywalls although these don't help. But there is a general lack of current information epitomised by the fact there is a even a difficulty in accessing information about the activities of the Braunschweig court even now that the summer recess is over.

The point is that rapist and paedophile CB is facing justice in that court as a direct result of his friends' disgust setting the ball rolling by giving his name to the police. This led to

• the discovery of the DM aggravated rape on police file in Portugal
• the find was as a direct result of the match between what happened in the process of carrying out that bestiality as on record and the video made of the event as described by CB's erstwhile friends
• DM verified the details of the ordeal to which she had been subjected
• forensics and the German legal system verified that CB is the rapist

The genesis was the naming of CB in conjunction with the description of the rape tape in which CB's face was recognised when he removed his mask. The description enabled the police to trace DM who was able to see justice done as a result.

 

[Mex]

It’s just a preconceived agenda born out an opinion on the MM case. It won’t change. The prosecution have to be painted as incompetent & all evidence & witness testimonies must be refuted or denied. Pro-CB or Pro-victim, directly links to one’s opinion on the MM case.

It’s interesting how polarising this case has become. We all feign a level of impartiality but the reality is either one or the other.

It is never going to happen but I would really be happy to know the reasons for CB's heavy duty restraints in court pre recess.

During the process he has already been injured on an occasion which resulted in a hospital visit complete with chains

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Eyewitnesses report saying that a prison guard in the entrance greeted the medics telling them: "Somebody's been rioting in there."

He was in the emergency room for an hour before being led back to court with both handcuffs on his wrists and shackles on his feet and the hearing then continued some two hours late.

Maddie McCann suspect Christian Brueckner pictured in chains on way to hospital

Christian Brueckner, who is suspected of kidnapping and murdering Madeleine McCann, suffered two broken ribs before a court appearance and was taken to hospital

www.mirror.co.uk

One wonders if his injuries are the result of uncontrollable violence; he definitely ends up under heavy duty restraints as a result.

I got a wee bit side-tracked there.
I agree with you. But there is also a history of bad guys attracting a following. Convicted murderers always get pen pals (don't know about rapists) and there is always someone eager to walk on the wild side.

 

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[Mex]

False. The videotaping and ripping off of the mask refers to the attack on the unknown elderly victim, as seen by Heb and MS on the video they stole, not DM.

Despite the lack of a transcript from CB's trial in which he was found guilty of the aggravated rape and theft from DM, it is apparent that he was true to form in leaving the signature of his MO behind him for all to see.

• only the fact that CB was named to the police enabled him to be investigated and put on trial for this heinously vicious crime which left his victim with physical wounds including a broken jaw as well as severe psychological damage.

The only difference between the MO of HB's 2004 rape and the MO of DM's 2005 rape, was in the juration of the ordeal and pain being inflicted.
Otherwise - it was peas in the pod from the weapons carried with him in his rape kit - to the theatricality of the 'dress up' themes of painted goggles and tights.

Both rapes were filmed as noted in the German press reports of CB's trial. As was the absolute terror of both survivors each of whom thought she was to die.

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Our coverage of the conviction of Christian B. in 2019:

• Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal

Acquaintances of the 43-year-old belonging to the petty criminal milieu had reported to the police about video recordings that had fallen into their hands.

On it, the defendant was seen in rape scenes – which she was convinced were real.

The video recordings have never surfaced, they are said to no longer exist.

Did the former acquaintances only make up the accusations to make themselves popular with the police, as the defendant believes?
The defense attorney points out contradictions in the statements. "They are not credible."

The chamber sees no motive why the two should have hit the defendant in the pan after years.

"It was through the rape of an elderly woman that you described that the investigations were started in the first place," recalls the presiding judge.

Based on the suspicion, an attempt was made to clarify whether such a crime had occurred in Portugal. The defendant's actions in the filmed scenes, described by the two witnesses, were similar to the rape of the 72-year-old.
In the overall view of all the evidence, according to the presiding judge, the court was convinced of the perpetration of the accused, who already had a criminal record for sexual and property offences.

 

[Mex]

I think it important that he is convicted for a rape he's proved to have committed, not just because he is deemed a serial rapist who may have raped HaB

A convicted rapist only becomes that once the case has been investigated and all the available evidence has been taken into consideration.

It is condescending to infer that police investigators aren't aware of the difficulties they face in assessing available evidence particularly in relation to cold cases.

They would be remiss indeed did they ignore similar crimes displaying similar modus operandi.

One thinks of the rape of DM and the rape of HB when all the moves were followed as though the rapist was following a script.
Particularly when the rape kit was transported on foot by the rapist including the video recording gear (much larger than now) which was a feature included in both rapes.

 

[RichardKimble]

A ten yr old at the time ( now 17) gave evidence via a video link this past Monday, in a statement in 2018 she said it was dark and didn't see his face well, also she said she didn't realise the man was masturbating this only became known to her with the passage of time.The father of the girl said CB seemed far too calm after being caught allegedly doing something wrong.

Christian B. in Braunschweig: Wurde Kindern Missbrauch eingeredet?

2016 tauchte der Maddie-Verdächtige in Portugal unter. 2017 wurde er verhaftet. Er soll vor Kindern masturbiert haben. Oder war alles doch ganz anders?

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

 

[RichardKimble]

Despite the lack of a transcript from CB's trial in which he was found guilty of the aggravated rape and theft from DM, it is apparent that he was true to form in leaving the signature of his MO behind him for all to see.

• only the fact that CB was named to the police enabled him to be investigated and put on trial for this heinously vicious crime which left his victim with physical wounds including a broken jaw as well as severe psychological damage.

The only difference between the MO of HB's 2004 rape and the MO of DM's 2005 rape, was in the juration of the ordeal and pain being inflicted.
Otherwise - it was peas in the pod from the weapons carried with him in his rape kit - to the theatricality of the 'dress up' themes of painted goggles and tights.

Both rapes were filmed as noted in the German press reports of CB's trial. As was the absolute terror of both survivors each of whom thought she was to die.

Snip
Our coverage of the conviction of Christian B. in 2019:

• Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal

Acquaintances of the 43-year-old belonging to the petty criminal milieu had reported to the police about video recordings that had fallen into their hands.

On it, the defendant was seen in rape scenes – which she was convinced were real.

The video recordings have never surfaced, they are said to no longer exist.

Did the former acquaintances only make up the accusations to make themselves popular with the police, as the defendant believes?
The defense attorney points out contradictions in the statements. "They are not credible."

The chamber sees no motive why the two should have hit the defendant in the pan after years.

"It was through the rape of an elderly woman that you described that the investigations were started in the first place," recalls the presiding judge.

Based on the suspicion, an attempt was made to clarify whether such a crime had occurred in Portugal. The defendant's actions in the filmed scenes, described by the two witnesses, were similar to the rape of the 72-year-old.
In the overall view of all the evidence, according to the presiding judge, the court was convinced of the perpetration of the accused, who already had a criminal record for sexual and property offences.

You need to read the report of the profilers testimony from Monday, he admitted to differences in the attacks on DM and HaB, so no mo, least of all there is no record of DMs attack being filmed.

 

[Mex]

You need to read the report of the profilers testimony from Monday, he admitted to differences in the attacks on DM and HaB, so no mo, least of all there is no record of DMs attack being filmed.

The presiding judge accepted at trial that CB filmed his bestial attack on DM as described by CB's erstwhile friends.
The judge testified at CB's present rape trial and no doubt stuck by her given reasons for accepting that DM's rape was recorded on video.

There is absolutely no wriggle room on this despite constant and it seems continuing denial.

Whatever the final verdict regarding the rape of HB the record shows that a similar modus operandi was used on her as was used on DM even down to recording the event on video.

 

[Mex]

A ten yr old at the time ( now 17) gave evidence via a video link this past Monday, in a statement in 2018 she said it was dark and didn't see his face well, also she said she didn't realise the man was masturbating this only became known to her with the passage of time.The father of the girl said CB seemed far too calm after being caught allegedly doing something wrong.

Christian B. in Braunschweig: Wurde Kindern Missbrauch eingeredet?

2016 tauchte der Maddie-Verdächtige in Portugal unter. 2017 wurde er verhaftet. Er soll vor Kindern masturbiert haben. Oder war alles doch ganz anders?

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

All a bit of mix and match going on with the court reporting. The court has heard an eleven year old already. Who is this ten year old?
One and the same or someone completely different?

• April 12, 2024: On the eighth day of the trial, an alleged victim has his say for the first time: the then eleven-year-old in front of whom CB. is said to have masturbated. The now 18-year-old and the father are switched from Portugal to the Braunschweig district court.

Braunschweig. The 47-year-old CB. is said to have masturbated in June 2017 in front of an 11-year-old. In Braunschweig, several Portuguese witnesses are being questioned.

• April 26, 2024: On the eleventh day of the trial, another witness from Portugal is heard. The man had held the defendant on a playground in 2017 until he was arrested by the police. According to his descriptions, C B. first tried to move away and then claimed that he had only urinated. At the same time, the presiding judge Uta Engemann reprimanded the work of the Portuguese authorities.

Is this another child from Messines. Or has the court recalled a witness already heard.
It really isn't very clear at all, is it.

 

[Anxala]

It’s just a preconceived agenda born out an opinion on the MM case. It won’t change. The prosecution have to be painted as incompetent & all evidence & witness testimonies must be refuted or denied. Pro-CB or Pro-victim, directly links to one’s opinion on the MM case.

It’s interesting how polarising this case has become. We all feign a level of impartiality but the reality is either one or the other.

Speak for yourself. You're making claims that have no basis in fact.

I have little to zero interest in whether or not CB ends up being convicted in relation to the current charges. I think he's likely guilty of the two child SA ones and I go back and forth on the HaB one but can see him also being guilty here. I also see and acknowledge the numerous weak spots in the evidence put forward by the prosecution and why the court is all over them. If CB is guilty of these 5 charges, then it's really unfortunate that he may walk away from them because the prosecution has failed to put a convincing and watertight case together. No one needs to paint the prosecution as incompetant, they've done all the paint work themselves.

The difference between you and me is that I can see and say that - that's what objectivity looks like - but you can't because you're too busy deflecting, denying the prosecution's now very clear shortcomings and telling the rest of us what our agenda is.

I'm here only for the BKA to come good and charge CB with the abduction and murder of MM. All the rest is noise.

 

[Niner]

snipped by me..

Is this another child from Messines. Or has the court recalled a witness already heard.
It really isn't very clear at all, is it.

From what I understand - 8/5 witness - a now 17 year old was a playmate of Ines VP & the 17 year old's father testified. Not the original victim

 

[Davieson]

Speak for yourself. You're making claims that have no basis in fact.

I have little to zero interest in whether or not CB ends up being convicted in relation to the current charges. I think he's likely guilty of the two child SA ones and I go back and forth on the HaB one. I also see and acknowledge the numerous weak spots in the evidence put forward by the prosecution. If CB is guilty of these 5 charges, then it's really unfortunate that he may walk away from them because the prosecution failed to put a convincing and watertight case together. No one needs to paint the prosecution as incompetant, they've done all the paint work themselves.

The difference between you and me is that I can see and say that but you can't because you're too busy denying the prosecution's very clear shortcomings while telling the rest of us what our agenda is.

I'm here only for the BKA to come good and charge CB with the abduction and murder of MM. All the rest is noise.

I think a charge will be a long time coming, if at all. How long is it since any mention of MM was last made by the prosecutors?

 

[Anxala]

I think a charge will be a long time coming, if at all. How long is it since any mention of MM was last made by the prosecutors?

I don't expect it at all now, sad to say, even if CB is convicted on some or even all of the current charges.

As was said by many of us from the beginning, if the prosecution, courtesy of HCW, had what they claimed to have in terms of 'we know he did it' concrete evidence against CB in relation to MM, they'd have charged him and that's the trial we'd be following now, instead of this damp squib of a tedious mess.

 

[Mex]

Going by the present discussion it seems that the defence deflexion tactic of trying the MM case - for which it should be remembered, no charges have been made - has been monumentally successful.

NB the actual cases being tried are three rapes and two cases of sexual abuse of minors.

I've been unable to say how this case has been been conducted because there is so little information about it in the public domain - but what goes on in the court is the responsibility of the judiciary.

Germany is not a police state with the police and prosecutors running the show. The police and prosecutors investigate the case and collect evidence. The judiciary run the show from there should the evidence be sufficient to warrant a trial taking place.

The way in which prosecutors are derided in this case and have become the bad guys is nothing short of extraordinary. Outside factors must surely be an influence in that.

For example the DM trial was conducted before anyone knew that her guilty assailant was the prime suspect in the celebrated disappearance of a child. The verdict saw justice being done.
What a shame the trial of these five counts was not conducted with the same fairness and efficiency and minus the vilification directed at the forces of law and order
My opinion

 

[Mex]

From what I understand - 8/5 witness - a now 17 year old was a playmate of Ines VP & the 17 year old's father testified. Not the original victim

Thank you niner.
I think there was both a ten year old and an eleven year old present at the scene. The ten year old was heard in Braunschweig April 12, 2024: On the eighth day of the trial and her father gave evidence April 26, 2024: On the eleventh day of the trial.
The other child interviewed on 8/5 was also a witness, but there were other witnesses present too who were probably too young to even remember the incident, for example an eight year old child's mother told tv programme
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A mother has told how CB chillingly spoke to her daughter while exposing himself in a playground.

Mum claims Maddie suspect Christian Brueckner 'exposed himself' to her daughter

Brueckner was caught with his trousers down under a slide in San Bartolomeu de Messines, 40 miles from Praia da Luz, Portugal, where Madeleine McCann, three, went missing

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[frank-cole]

Going by the present discussion it seems that the defence deflexion tactic of trying the MM case - for which it should be remembered, no charges have been made - has been monumentally successful.

NB the actual cases being tried are three rapes and two cases of sexual abuse of minors.

I've been unable to say how this case has been been conducted because there is so little information about it in the public domain - but what goes on in the court is the responsibility of the judiciary.

Germany is not a police state with the police and prosecutors running the show. The police and prosecutors investigate the case and collect evidence. The judiciary run the show from there should the evidence be sufficient to warrant a trial taking place.

The way in which prosecutors are derided in this case and have become the bad guys is nothing short of extraordinary. Outside factors must surely be an influence in that.

For example the DM trial was conducted before anyone knew that her guilty assailant was the prime suspect in the celebrated disappearance of a child. The verdict saw justice being done.
What a shame the trial of these five counts was not conducted with the same fairness and efficiency and minus the vilification directed at the forces of law and order
My opinion

Across these platforms it has been very typical for hostility, negativity & masked resentment towards the German police & the prosecutors. Unfortunately it’s not surprising. They aren’t an enemy hell bent on spoiling a party. They’re aiming for justice.

Trivial example - I can’t be seen to say nice things about my neighbour using power tools, because I predict she’ll use them this weekend & I will want to complain about that then. it doesn’t matter that she’s building shelters for rescue animals because I’ve always been right about the noise issues on my street.

 

[Davieson]

Thanks. There are a couple of bits to unwrap there. I think one should have alot of interest in whether or not CB gets locked up because the victims matter. I don’t think the prosecution have painted themselves in a negative light, they’re doing their best with what they have. That effort is a good thing imo because it gives the victims a chance of justice. It’s easy to fall into the trap of assuming that true crime will run similarly to a Netflix show. But rationally speaking, prosecuting cold cases that happened in another country isn’t going to be like an episode of suits.

There are typical patterns. Those who were following the GA line (pre 2020) are most likely to be scrutinising the BKA & prosecution now, often extending that to the other cases. Your comment about the differences between you & I, seems rather egotistical. This subject is polarising. Very rarely do you see a person who is unique & not following a typical line. Us included. My advice - don’t think of this as a personal battle or a ‘win’ & take everything into context.

Of course people are scrutinising the prosecution - they are the ones having the evidence to prove the case.
The defence get less public scrutiny because they don't have anything to prove, they just have to cast doubt on or refute each defence point.

I'l be content whatever the final decision is of the judges, but one must admit that the process of getting there is an interesting one.