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Again, what does it matter?? Hackett is crazy, and guess what?? So was her mother. What does it matter?? He is not LISK. Why does everything have to revolve around this?

It matters because Hackett made a phone call to Shannan's mother prior to her disappearance. Why did he make the phone call? How did he get her number? Why would he say "I run a home for wayward girls." Why did he let her into his house and give her drugs? Why did he at one point deny having made the call? Why did he then admit he made the call but then never having met Shannan? It matters because he has ties with law enforcement. The ex-SCPD chief James Burke who happen to frequent prosititution in the area. If you just simply conclude that everyone as crazy, nothing will get solved. People will get away with murder.
 
It matters because Hackett made a phone call to Shannan's mother prior to her disappearance. Why did he make the phone call? How did he get her number? Why would he say "I run a home for wayward girls." Why did he let her into his house and give her drugs? Why did he at one point deny having made the call? Why did he then admit he made the call but then never having met Shannan? It matters because he has ties with law enforcement. The ex-SCPD chief James Burke who happen to frequent prosititution in the area. If you just simply conclude that everyone as crazy, nothing will get solved. People will get away with murder.
Prior to her disappearance? When exactly did he make that phone call?? Well demand the prosecutor to charge him for her murder but don't mix her with LISK, it's ridiculous.
 
Why can't you?? It doesn't follow his M.O., that's it, she's eliminated, what more does one need?? People love conspiracy theories and Shannan fulfills their fantasies of satanic orgies and the like.

Cake you don't seem to be able to wrap your mind about the concept that Shannan's murder doesn't fit the MO, because it wasn't a planned murder, just two guys hiring a sex worker and something went wrong. Someone could a have been coked up and got a little carried away during sex and freaked her out, or any number of things could have happened to scare her. Like I keep saying, you don't even know one of the guys she was with. Why did Megan's pimp call her right before she walked out of the hotel? There is always the possibility Pak and Cruz/Blake were paid off for the girls. It's sure a stretch but why was Shannan scared of Pak?
 
Cake you don't seem to be able to wrap your mind about the concept that Shannan's murder doesn't fit the MO, because it wasn't a planned murder, just two guys hiring a sex worker and something went wrong. Someone could a have been coked up and got a little carried away during sex and freaked her out, or any number of things could have happened to scare her. Like I keep saying, you don't even know one of the guys she was with. Why did Megan's pimp call her right before she walked out of the hotel? There is always the possibility Pak and Cruz/Blake were paid off for the girls. It's sure a stretch but why was Shannan scared of Pak?
Exactly.

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it's definitely not ridiculous to feel SG and GB4 could have the same killer. The phantom lisk could very well be from, or connected to oak beach for all we know.
 
it's definitely not ridiculous to feel SG and GB4 could have the same killer. The phantom lisk could very well be from, or connected to oak beach for all we know.

For sure. It is someone who takes the stretch of the Ocean Parkway enough times to know how desolate the place can be in the wee hours of morning.
 
Cake you don't seem to be able to wrap your mind about the concept that Shannan's murder doesn't fit the MO, because it wasn't a planned murder, just two guys hiring a sex worker and something went wrong. Someone could a have been coked up and got a little carried away during sex and freaked her out, or any number of things could have happened to scare her. Like I keep saying, you don't even know one of the guys she was with. Why did Megan's pimp call her right before she walked out of the hotel? There is always the possibility Pak and Cruz/Blake were paid off for the girls. It's sure a stretch but why was Shannan scared of Pak?

First, that evening/morning there was the trip to purchase playing cards. Maybe they made another stop.

Shannan was raking in nice chips from this particular john. She was not going to mess it up.

Possibly Pak, even though passed a poly, slipped something into her drink to begin the crazy thinking. Or it could have occurred later, after arriving at the customer's home. She may have been in the initial midst of psychosis when on the phone with 911 for twenty + minutes. Tsk, tsk. The operator did not assure SGs twenty minute 911 call was routed properly.

With intense terror, from maybe shock and awe, SG busts out the doors to run frantically. Why was she shedding clothing along the way? She was being chased or kind of searched for by Pak. When she approached the older gentleman who told Pak he phoned 911 [MP split the scene.] SG was in hysteria, hiding outside under his boat.

Does she have a history of taking a medication meant to help curb an opioid desire? If she was, then, if these people managed to ingest her with an opiate, while not realizing she was mediated against it, the results were disastrous and nearly almost always fatal. These patients' body temperature rises quickly. They shed their attire in an attempt to become cooler. Their heart is pounding so hard in their ringing ears. They lose their sense of direction during the psychosis. I do believe medication is involved.

One case at WS, a lady stripped as she ran through brambles to the river to die of an exploded heart. Her Cadillac was left running. Maybe J was running from someone, which has always been my opinion. And another case here, Dr. Tameka Patrick went into a psychosis while driving the Interstate. She was discovered near water once the weather allowed for thawing of ice and snow. She did not abuse opioids.

For reasons beyond my own understanding, Shannan has always tugged at my heart. Maybe we have developed an fond affection for all of these victims and any others that have yet to be discovered.
 
Cake you don't seem to be able to wrap your mind about the concept that Shannan's murder doesn't fit the MO, because it wasn't a planned murder, just two guys hiring a sex worker and something went wrong. Someone could a have been coked up and got a little carried away during sex and freaked her out, or any number of things could have happened to scare her. Like I keep saying, you don't even know one of the guys she was with. Why did Megan's pimp call her right before she walked out of the hotel? There is always the possibility Pak and Cruz/Blake were paid off for the girls. It's sure a stretch but why was Shannan scared of Pak?
Her death was not a murder and there was no second guy.
 
If she was living off the grid why would her family be looking for her? They may not even know she had a child. The LISK case sparked an incredible revelation that everyone absolutely missed: being murdered by a random person and nobody noticing your absence is incredibly common in this world.
I dont believe the above applies to Peaches. I dont believe her killing was a crime of passion. Her torso was found in a park. It was not hidden. It was meant to create shockvalue. Other body parts hidden on OP for 14 yrs. That says serial killer. IMO.
 
It was first believed that the only person who received any calls was Amanda. We now know thats not true.IMO anyway. Peaches had a tattoo. Who got the call? The tattoo artist. Melissa had a little sister. Who got that call? Amanda. Who got the call when Maureen went missing? Her friend Sarah. Consider what each person was told by the caller. The calls were PERSONALIZED. This is one of the reasons I believe Peaches was also a victim of the LISK.
 
I dont believe the above applies to Peaches. I dont believe her killing was a crime of passion. Her torso was found in a park. It was not hidden. It was meant to create shockvalue. Other body parts hidden on OP for 14 yrs. That says serial killer. IMO.
I don't believe that at all. I am a fan of crime stories and true crime and I can't tell you how many times I've gone through a particular area and I thought to myself, if someone were to dump my body or any body here it would never be found, and I have no body to hide and I easily can draw this conclusion, surely someone that has committed a crime can do so too, and as I said earlier, THAT is the true revelation of this case, not the serial killer part, we know that exists, but the how common it is for people to kill each other all the time and no one knowing any better, that is the true chilling thing about this case, and I wouldn't be surprised if this were completely independent murderers from each other.
 
It was first believed that the only person who recieved any calls was Amanda. We now know thats not true.IMO anyway. Peaches had a tattoo. Who got the call? The tattoo artist. Melissa had a littke sister. Who got that call? Amanda. Who got the call when Maureen went missing? Her friend Sarah. Consider what each person was told by the caller. The calls were PERSONALIZED. This is one of the reasons I believe Peaches was also a victim of the LISK.
The tattoo artist got a call?? where do you get these news?
 
I don't believe that at all. I am a fan of crime stories and true crime and I can't tell you how many times I've gone through a particular area and I thought to myself, if someone were to dump my body or any body here it would never be found, and I have no body to hide and I easily can draw this conclusion, surely someone that has committed a crime can do so too, and as I said earlier, THAT is the true revelation of this case, not the serial killer part, we know that exists, but the how common it is for people to kill each other all the time and no one knowing any better, that is the true chilling thing about this case, and I wouldn't be surprised if this were completely independent murderers from each other.

It's not only that they dumped along OP, it's that their exteriors are separated from their torsos and then their torsos were dumped on the mainland, and their heads/limbs dumped on OP. How many different killers was it that decided to do this same thing?
 
First, that evening/morning there was the trip to purchase playing cards. Maybe they made another stop.

Shannan was raking in nice chips from this particular john. She was not going to mess it up.

Possibly Pak, even though passed a poly, slipped something into her drink to begin the crazy thinking. Or it could have occurred later, after arriving at the customer's home. She may have been in the initial midst of psychosis when on the phone with 911 for twenty + minutes. Tsk, tsk. The operator did not assure SGs twenty minute 911 call was routed properly.

With intense terror, from maybe shock and awe, SG busts out the doors to run frantically. Why was she shedding clothing along the way? She was being chased or kind of searched for by Pak. When she approached the older gentleman who told Pak he phoned 911 [MP split the scene.] SG was in hysteria, hiding outside under his boat.

Does she have a history of taking a medication meant to help curb an opioid desire? If she was, then, if these people managed to ingest her with an opiate, while not realizing she was mediated against it, the results were disastrous and nearly almost always fatal. These patients' body temperature rises quickly. They shed their attire in an attempt to become cooler. Their heart is pounding so hard in their ringing ears. They lose their sense of direction during the psychosis. I do believe medication is involved.

One case at WS, a lady stripped as she ran through brambles to the river to die of an exploded heart. Her Cadillac was left running. Maybe J was running from someone, which has always been my opinion. And another case here, Dr. Tameka Patrick went into a psychosis while driving the Interstate. She was discovered near water once the weather allowed for thawing of ice and snow. She did not abuse opioids.

For reasons beyond my own understanding, Shannan has always tugged at my heart. Maybe we have developed an fond affection for all of these victims and any others that have yet to be discovered.
Yep, I think about the victims often and send my love and prayers to them their families.

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It was first believed that the only person who received any calls was Amanda. We now know thats not true.IMO anyway. Peaches had a tattoo. Who got the call? The tattoo artist. Melissa had a little sister. Who got that call? Amanda. Who got the call when Maureen went missing? Her friend Sarah. Consider what each person was told by the caller. The calls were PERSONALIZED. This is one of the reasons I believe Peaches was also a victim of the LISK.
Absolutely and lisk gets off on that. He is as sick as they come and there is no medicine that can cure it.

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First, that evening/morning there was the trip to purchase playing cards. Maybe they made another stop.

Shannan was raking in nice chips from this particular john. She was not going to mess it up.

Possibly Pak, even though passed a poly, slipped something into her drink to begin the crazy thinking. Or it could have occurred later, after arriving at the customer's home. She may have been in the initial midst of psychosis when on the phone with 911 for twenty + minutes. Tsk, tsk. The operator did not assure SGs twenty minute 911 call was routed properly.

With intense terror, from maybe shock and awe, SG busts out the doors to run frantically. Why was she shedding clothing along the way? She was being chased or kind of searched for by Pak. When she approached the older gentleman who told Pak he phoned 911 [MP split the scene.] SG was in hysteria, hiding outside under his boat.

Does she have a history of taking a medication meant to help curb an opioid desire? If she was, then, if these people managed to ingest her with an opiate, while not realizing she was mediated against it, the results were disastrous and nearly almost always fatal. These patients' body temperature rises quickly. They shed their attire in an attempt to become cooler. Their heart is pounding so hard in their ringing ears. They lose their sense of direction during the psychosis. I do believe medication is involved.

One case at WS, a lady stripped as she ran through brambles to the river to die of an exploded heart. Her Cadillac was left running. Maybe J was running from someone, which has always been my opinion. And another case here, Dr. Tameka Patrick went into a psychosis while driving the Interstate. She was discovered near water once the weather allowed for thawing of ice and snow. She did not abuse opioids.

For reasons beyond my own understanding, Shannan has always tugged at my heart. Maybe we have developed an fond affection for all of these victims and any others that have yet to be discovered.

Shannan was bipolar, and I doubt she was compliant with taking any psych meds. She did,however,self medicate and was known to have a cocaine habit. There is no way to know what other drugs were used that night and what their effect would be on a person struggling with bipolar symptoms and a cocaine addiction. That's why the events surrounding her death are so confusing. There could've been a murder or it could've been the tragic outcome of her mental illness coupled with a dangerous mix of drugs. I go back and forth between the two but lean towards Shannan possibly being triggered into a manic phase of her biplolar disease. She called 911, the police were on their way and she made her presence in the neighborhood known to Gus Colletti and others. That seems too risky for a murder to take place. Just IMHO...

https://psychcentral.com/lib/substance-abuse-and-bipolar-disorder/
 
It's not only that they dumped along OP, it's that their exteriors are separated from their torsos and then their torsos were dumped on the mainland, and their heads/limbs dumped on OP. How many different killers was it that decided to do this same thing?

In my opinion one, The Manorville Butcher who I have a hard time believing is LISK. That doesn't mean it's not the same person but I think the very small amount of evidence available to the public points to two serial killers.
 
Or who those guys were. They had to shut shannan up because she saw something horrible?

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Maybe they wanted to do something that Shannan didn't like....tying her up....hanging her....something she refused to do and they didn't like that. IIRC JB went out to the car and asked MP to get Shannan out of his house. Why would he do that if he intended to murder her? I believe he was ready for her to leave because she was acting weird and not any fun at that point. When MP went into JB's house Shannan was hiding behind a sofa. Clearly she was in no immediate danger. It just makes no sense that if they planned to kill her that JB would go get MP and ask him to remove Shannan. AFAIK MP had no connections with JB other than as a driver for Shannan that night. All of the 911 activity with witnesses seems to rule out a deliberate killing.
 

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