Gilbert Attorney: Escort's Affidavit Implicates James Burke in GB Murders

[EllaMae]

It's a good possibility that SG is a victim of LISK. Some people think she died by accidental drowning (which doesn't explain why her clothes are found a quartermile away and why she's missing fingers and toes and why autopsy report claim she could have died by strangulation), some believe she was murdered. It has been confirmed that Burke and Hackett knows each other since the 90s. This would explain the theory that the FBI (and others) believe the serial killings in Oak Beach are committed by more than 1 serial killer.

There are just still so many questions though. SG was an escort summoned by Joseph Brewer, not Hackett. So if Hackett was the last person to see SG, did he just out of the blue saw it as opportunity to commit murder? But it would seem like a huge risk, to have an escort come knocking on your door not knowing where she was coming from or whether someone was looking for her - which could possibly trace SG movements to himself (Hackett). In the 911 call, SG claimed "They are trying to kill me!" So it is Joseph Brewer and one other person. Could Hackett (the neighbor) be in Josephs home at that time? Is Michael Pak even in on this? Perhaps paid large amounts of money to be this transport driver for escorts? Its hard to figure anything out since we don't have direct access to investigation reports. They were let go too soon.

Shannan was found in a tidal marsh with a very active ecosystem and lots of water movement. She was there for an extended amount of time. That's a pretty harsh environment and it took a huge toll on her remains. That's why her body was not totally intact. That's why there were no drugs found. It was not possible to determine much of anything from Shannan's body so we really can't draw any conclusions from the autopsy other than the fact that she was deceased.

 

[Vapor]

Dont forget the issue with the hyoid bone on SG..

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/02/12/shannan-gilbert-new-autopsy/

 

[DeDee]

Shannan was bipolar, and I doubt she was compliant with taking any psych meds. She did,however,self medicate and was known to have a cocaine habit. There is no way to know what other drugs were used that night and what their effect would be on a person struggling with bipolar symptoms and a cocaine addiction. That's why the events surrounding her death are so confusing. There could've been a murder or it could've been the tragic outcome of her mental illness coupled with a dangerous mix of drugs. I go back and forth between the two but lean towards Shannan possibly being triggered into a manic phase of her biplolar disease. She called 911, the police were on their way and she made her presence in the neighborhood known to Gus Colletti and others. That seems too risky for a murder to take place. Just IMHO...

https://psychcentral.com/lib/substance-abuse-and-bipolar-disorder/

Only I never once mentioned SG was murdered. I discussed her potential mental status.

What triggered a sudden manic attack? Yes, she had bipolar but that doesn't usually lead to a paranoia psychosis which is the state of being I feel she was in during the frantic 911 call until she ran off due to a drug induced paranoia and unstable mental condition. SG collapsed from exhaustion and hypothermia, in the least. I've already stated why I felt she was shedding her clothing. It's just an opinion that drugs were involved, involuntarily. I wished it'd help move the case forward but it won't.

 

[WINDSOR]

Maybe they wanted to do something that Shannan didn't like....tying her up....hanging her....something she refused to do and they didn't like that. IIRC JB went out to the car and asked MP to get Shannan out of his house. Why would he do that if he intended to murder her? I believe he was ready for her to leave because she was acting weird and not any fun at that point. When MP went into JB's house Shannan was hiding behind a sofa. Clearly she was in no immediate danger. It just makes no sense that if they planned to kill her that JB would go get MP and ask him to remove Shannan. AFAIK MP had no connections with JB other than as a driver for Shannan that night. All of the 911 activity with witnesses seems to rule out a deliberate killing.

Regarding some of your assumptions,

a)It is believed by a number of sleuthers, including myself, that MP was the one who arranged with JB to bring Shannan to Oak Beach. MP and JB are believed to have known each other.

b) JB asked MP to remove Shannan from his house after she called 911. If JB had murderous intentions towards Shannan initially, the 911 call would put an end to that idea instantly.

c) The mental illness, drug and psychosis allegations are smoke screens introduced by people who wish to shift attention from themselves. There is no evidence to prove that Shannan displayed psychotic symptoms at the Pharmacy she visited after arriving at JB's house, no evidence she was psychotic during the 911 call. In fact the duration of the call points clearly to patient and measured behavior. Finally even though she appeared panicky to Gus Coletti he did not describe her as psychotic or delusional.

If a relative of yours called 911 to say someone was trying to kill them, then that relative was running away because they felt someone was chasing them, then that relative ended up dead in the same general area, would you assume your relative died of natural causes?

 

[maddalena1]

Regarding some of your assumptions,

a)It is believed by a number of sleuthers, including myself, that MP was the one who arranged with JB to bring Shannan to Oak Beach. MP and JB are believed to have known each other.

b) JB asked MP to remove Shannan from his house after she called 911. If JB had murderous intentions towards Shannan initially, the 911 call would put an end to that idea instantly.

c) The mental illness, drug and psychosis allegations are smoke screens introduced by people who wish to shift attention from themselves. There is no evidence to prove that Shannan displayed psychotic symptoms at the Pharmacy she visited after arriving at JB's house, no evidence she was psychotic during the 911 call. In fact the duration of the call points clearly to patient and measured behavior. Finally even though she appeared panicky to Gus Coletti he did not describe her as psychotic or delusional.

If a relative of yours called 911 to say someone was trying to kill them, then that relative was running away because they felt someone was chasing them, then that relative ended up dead in the same general area, would you assume your relative died of natural causes?

You were reading my mind. During my mountain climb yesterday, I was WONDERING what our very Republican sheriff's dept would have done if a girl ran out of some guys house on a 911 saying she was in fear for her life and then ended up dead. Trust me, Brewer would be sitting in jail. I have a lot of respect for our sheriffs department. No nonsense and some ex special forces.

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[sassynzero]

Regarding some of your assumptions,

a)It is believed by a number of sleuthers, including myself, that MP was the one who arranged with JB to bring Shannan to Oak Beach. MP and JB are believed to have known each other.

b) JB asked MP to remove Shannan from his house after she called 911. If JB had murderous intentions towards Shannan initially, the 911 call would put an end to that idea instantly.

c) The mental illness, drug and psychosis allegations are smoke screens introduced by people who wish to shift attention from themselves. There is no evidence to prove that Shannan displayed psychotic symptoms at the Pharmacy she visited after arriving at JB's house, no evidence she was psychotic during the 911 call. In fact the duration of the call points clearly to patient and measured behavior. Finally even though she appeared panicky to Gus Coletti he did not describe her as psychotic or delusional.

If a relative of yours called 911 to say someone was trying to kill them, then that relative was running away because they felt someone was chasing them, then that relative ended up dead in the same general area, would you assume your relative died of natural causes?

re: the alleged pharmacy visit - it's only alleged. Never confirmed. I thought Brewer said they were gone for 15 minutes, the ride to the pharmacy and back alone
is more than 15 minutes.

 

[sassynzero]

Again, what does it matter?? Hackett is crazy, and guess what?? So was her mother. What does it matter?? He is not LISK. Why does everything have to revolve around this?

Why was Shannan's phone shut off during the 911 call?
I dont know that everything revolves around Hackett, but he has been a dubious character in this scenario. Why deny you called Mari for over a year?
He's being sued by johhnny the clown ray - who I heard works at jack in the box - and pops out of the box - to say hello to customers.
As predicted - NOTHING has come of that lawsuit. NOTHING.

 

[WINDSOR]

re: the alleged pharmacy visit - it's only alleged. Never confirmed. I thought Brewer said they were gone for 15 minutes, the ride to the pharmacy and back alone
is more than 15 minutes.

Why are you saying alleged? Both Brewer and Pak stated that Brewer and Shannan left Oak Beach to go to the pharmacy, after MP refused to take Shannan. It was stated that they bought playing cards and 'personal lube' at the pharmacy. Do you have information that says this is incorrect? The police no doubt would have confirmed this fact by visiting the pharmacy and confirming the facts. Neither the police, John Ray or anybody else has denied the fact that JB and Shannan did leave and return to Oak Beach. (Unless I missed some announcement)

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[Tugela]

Only I never once mentioned SG was murdered. I discussed her potential mental status.

What triggered a sudden manic attack? Yes, she had bipolar but that doesn't usually lead to a paranoia psychosis which is the state of being I feel she was in during the frantic 911 call until she ran off due to a drug induced paranoia and unstable mental condition. SG collapsed from exhaustion and hypothermia, in the least. I've already stated why I felt she was shedding her clothing. It's just an opinion that drugs were involved, involuntarily. I wished it'd help move the case forward but it won't.

Actually, people who are strongly bipolar can do exactly that and are capable of some seriously crazy irrational behaviour when they enter a manic phase.

Considering that her sister killed her mother in a particularly brutal manner (http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general...ille-murder-suspect-due-to-start-in-mid-april) and appears to be seriously mentally ill, and considering that such conditions usually run in the family, I would not rule out the possibility that SG had a paranoid delusional episode that had nothing to do with what her client and driver were doing. She probably scared the crap out of her client when she went off the rails, and he would have wanted her to leave ASAP, which would have further fueled her psychosis.

Certainly her behaviour that night strongly suggests that is exactly what happened, and the recent story about what her sister did to her mother pretty much seals the deal for me. The pieces fit together. I have no doubt that is what played out, and that she was not murdered.

 

[WINDSOR]

Tugela,

The pieces may fit together for you, but think for a minute. Shannan's sister kills her mother and pleads insanity, therefore Shannan must have had some sort of psychotic episode, that leads to her dying of natural causes. If your brother is an alcoholic, does that mean you are going to be a drug addict?

There are various degrees of bi-polar illness, we have no evidence that Shannan's was very serious, (she seemed to operate effectively in her chosen lifestyle; had friends and personal relationships). In fact there is no evidence of her having a episode like you describe ever taking place previously. Remember panic and fear of physical harm are normal behaviors, so let us not ascribe improper labels to normal behavior.

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[LR1]

Telling 911 someone is trying to kill you when by multiple witness accounts nobody was, and then running off in the stix before the law shows up yeah there's nothing normal about that behavior. Also according to her boyfriend she had acted out on a date previously. I think it was on the A&E special where he mentions this, maybe not to this extent but there is precedent if he is to be believed.

A quote from 48 hours implying her illness was very serious according to her sister...

"It was the call Sherre and her sister, Sarra, had been dreading ever since learning Shannan, diagnosed with a bipolar disorder and struggling with depression and mood swings, had turned to selling her services online as an escort."

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Why was Shannan's phone shut off during the 911 call?
I dont know that everything revolves around Hackett, but he has been a dubious character in this scenario. Why deny you called Mari for over a year?
He's being sued by johhnny the clown ray - who I heard works at jack in the box - and pops out of the box - to say hello to customers.
As predicted - NOTHING has come of that lawsuit. NOTHING.

who is johnny and how do you know her phone was shut off?

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Actually, people who are strongly bipolar can do exactly that and are capable of some seriously crazy irrational behaviour when they enter a manic phase.

Considering that her sister killed her mother in a particularly brutal manner (http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general...ille-murder-suspect-due-to-start-in-mid-april) and appears to be seriously mentally ill, and considering that such conditions usually run in the family, I would not rule out the possibility that SG had a paranoid delusional episode that had nothing to do with what her client and driver were doing. She probably scared the crap out of her client when she went off the rails, and he would have wanted her to leave ASAP, which would have further fueled her psychosis.

Certainly her behaviour that night strongly suggests that is exactly what happened, and the recent story about what her sister did to her mother pretty much seals the deal for me. The pieces fit together. I have no doubt that is what played out, and that she was not murdered.

Exactly, that's what happened, Sherri Gilbert was also insane and the damage she did to this case by hiring that lawyer and going to the media at every opportunity is insurmountable. Shannan was not murdered and she is not part of the LISK case, but the simpletons will never accept it. Never. Just like JFK and the man on the moon landing, these people will never accept the truth. LISK could be caught tomorrow and he could say he had nothing to do with Shannan's death and they will still not believe it. They'll continue to believe in a conspiracy till the end of time. Sad really.

 

[hawkshaw]

The other 4 gals that just happened to be prostitutes just happened to a coincident? While it MAY be true SG may not have been murdered she did die as a result of going on a sex date in Oak Beach. Had she not gotten away she might have been murdered. Wise up.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

The other 4 gals that just happened to be prostitutes just happened to a coincident? While it MAY be true SG may not have been murdered she did die as a result of going on a sex date in Oak Beach. Had she not gotten away she might have been murdered. Wise up.

lol what the hell are you talking about?? The other 4 girls are LISK victims, who targets prostitures, it is SHANNAN WHO IS THE COINCIDENCE, don't you get it??? This is so embarrassing.

 

[Vapor]

lol what the hell are you talking about?? The other 4 girls are LISK victims, who targets prostitures, it is SHANNAN WHO IS THE COINCIDENCE, don't you get it??? This is so embarrassing.

The autopsies for SG were inconclusive LTEC.. one shows damage to her hyoid bone, which is the signature for strangulation.. she may have been murdered and since we dont know who the killer is, nobody knows what actually happened to her. She was an escort just like the GB4, so whats so embarrasing to assume she may have possibly been murdered by LISK?

 

[LetThemEatCake]

The autopsies for SG were inconclusive LTEC.. one shows damage to her hyoid bone, which is the signature for strangulation.. she may have been murdered and since we dont know who the killer is, nobody knows what actually happened to her. She was an escort just like the GB4, so whats so embarrasing to assume she may have possibly been murdered by LISK?

The fixation on Shannan Gilbert is embarrassing and an inconclusive autopsy on a skeletonized body that spent months in the open means nothing to me. Of course it would be inconclusive.

 

[maddalena1]

But Shannan Gilbert's death was a big reason why the other girls were found so I give her spirit respect and prayers. I respect that you may not agree with me and will not try to convince you to see it my way.

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[maddalena1]

I am fixated on shannan because she inspires the fire in my soul to never give up on my desire for justice on this case in particular.

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[DaisyChains]

The fixation on Shannan Gilbert is embarrassing and an inconclusive autopsy on a skeletonized body that spent months in the open means nothing to me. Of course it would be inconclusive.

50% of me agrees with you LetThemEatCake, but there is a part of me that cannot completely discount the possibility that perhaps SG did meet the same fate as the other 4 girls found at Gilgo (MBB,MB,MW,AC).

What interests me more about the autopsy is: Weren't there rumors that much of her hyoid bone was lost by the Suffolk ME office and that Baden only had a small portion of her neck bones or hyoid to test which is why the tests came out inconclusive?

Please lead me to the truth anyone who knows.