Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #5

[Betty P]

I think they have to go through a lot of hoops..they have all her calls..but if they can see all the phones pinging in that area at that time .....but again I think it's not done without higher approval like a special warrant and probable cause??? just guessing but I think I heard this somewhere before as I have had this question many times, it's at an odd hour..it would be easier to catch an errant phone out there.....mOO

By the time they started finding bodies along Ocean Parkway, they had enough to get approval. Apparently, they did retrieve a lot of phone data, because some of it was used to arrest Rex H. The first investigation team probably didn't know how to use it, or saw things they couldn't explain.

It would be very interesting to know how far back those phone records and cell tower pings went. They had to at least go back to the time of Shannan's disappearance because LE were able to track the other victims cell phones. Those women were killed before Shannan. So, to answer my own question, they probably do have cell phone data from the night Shannan disappeared.

 

[Eaglette]

Man's view Prison officer (PO) -
if a prisoner clobbers a PO - a PO once told me they'll take out 3 crims.
Retribution.

Maybe (if insulted) RH did the same with sex workers

 

[dotr]

Is there a twitter link or news source confirming that Melissa's phone was used for harassment? That would help with ruling in, or out, the Atlantic City escort murders. If none of the victims' friends/family in Atlantic City were harassed after those escorts were murdered/vanished, maybe it's not the same suspect.

I'm curious about Florida, and his trips to re-locate his mom.

Mother of missing Buffalo woman helped kick-start investigation of serial killer of Gilgo Beach

In the summer of 2009, a 15-year-old Buffalo girl received disturbing phone calls from a man who taunted her about her missing older sister.

buffalonews.com

''In the summer of 2009, a 15-year-old Buffalo girl received disturbing phone calls from a man who taunted her about her missing older sister.
What made the calls especially scary was that the caller was using the cellphone owned by the missing woman, Melissa M. Barthelemy, 24.
At one point, according to police, the caller bragged that he had sexually assaulted Barthelemy and then killed her.
Today, those phone calls to Amanda Funderburg and other members of her Buffalo family are cited as important evidence in the murder case against accused serial killer Rex A. Heuermann, a Manhattan architect and Long Island resident.''

 

[Yemelyan]

Man's view Prison officer (PO) -
if a prisoner clobbers a PO - a PO once told me they'll take out 3 crims.
Retribution.

Maybe (if insulted) RH did the same with sex workers

I see where people are coming from with explanations/theories like this but I always wince a little when I see them because they come off - even if unintentionally - as a form of victim blaming. If only women didn't trick men out of money, if only women didn't insult men, if only women didn't laugh at men. If women didn't "make" men mad, then men wouldn't hurt them and kill them.

And I know that these explanations come up because we are all human and we understand the urge for retribution, but we don't understand very well the mechanisms whereby sexual urges can become entwined with a psychological desire to cause extreme pain up to and including death. But I think, regardless of what these victims did or what previous encounters with women were like, that the urge to hurt them and victimize them was mainly due to an internal need that the killer was looking to satisfy, not due to an external factor like being insulted. My opinions only.

 

[Emilie D]

I see where people are coming from with explanations/theories like this but I always wince a little when I see them because they come off - even if unintentionally - as a form of victim blaming. If only women didn't trick men out of money, if only women didn't insult men, if only women didn't laugh at men. If women didn't "make" men mad, then men wouldn't hurt them and kill them.

And I know that these explanations come up because we are all human and we understand the urge for retribution, but we don't understand very well the mechanisms whereby sexual urges can become entwined with a psychological desire to cause extreme pain up to and including death. But I think, regardless of what these victims did or what previous encounters with women were like, that the urge to hurt them and victimize them was mainly due to an internal need that the killer was looking to satisfy, not due to an external factor like being insulted. My opinions only.

I agree. It's his deviant thoughts and twisted psychopathy that caused all of this. These women just had the misfortune of running into a monster.

 

[Charlot123]

How one has to pronounce the name maybe important, yes, but I think, it differs. What seems to be important is, that "Heuermann" gets written in so many versions and mostly wrong, it's an agony to see it. Probably it means, that his data are found everywhere and nowhere.

PS: For me the name is sounding 100% German, and mentally I call him like I would call an "Heuermann" in German. I just now have a memory flash: I have known a man with the same name 55 years ago: attractive and being in the building industry (how fitting). Driving hot cars (BMW), but no killer, afaik.

How common is the name? It reminded me of “heute”, and the meaning is not dissimilar, but I never met a person with such a name, although it appears to be legally German.

 

[waldojabba]

Suspect in Gilgo Beach murders owns timeshare in Las Vegas

Records show that Rex Heuermann, charged in the deaths of three women in New York, bought the property with his wife in 2005.

www.reviewjournal.com

He bought another house in 2004

Just to be clear - According to the article you posted - he sold one timeshare and bought another in Las Vegas (LV). IMO

 

[Charlot123]

Yes, but he's arrogant and also didn't think he would get caught. I mean, it took them a decade so he had a lot of reason to believe in his skill set.

What I would think then that he might carefully plan and kill once, and not close to his properties, realizing that the connection between these places and NY is not easy to trace.

 

[Emilie D]

What I would think then that he might carefully plan and call once, and not close to his properties, realizing that the connection between these places and NY is not easy to trace.

He was using disposable phones though. I honestly believe he had no idea they could or would tie them to him. Technology was his downfall.

 

[Charlot123]

I've seen 6' 4"amd 6' 3". The DM has him at 6'6" but IMO they tend to exaggerate so... I'm going with a few inches shorter until I see him officially measured for a mugshot.

Heuermann fit the physical description provided by Schaller, too: He was 6 feet, 4 inches (193 centimeters) tall and weighed 240 pounds (109 kilograms).

Dave Schaller came face to face with alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann; 12 years later, his tip helped crack the case

As police comb through the home of a man charged in a string of serial killings in New York, one witness is frustrated it took so long to solve the crime.

www.cbsnews.com

The DM saying 6'6": Cops 'confident' they'll charge Rex Heuermann with more murders

What sets RH apart is his body shape, IMHO. He is almost square-shaped, a big, short-necked man, not merely tall, and standing very straight, too. I would like to see him walk, maybe the gait adds something. But “an ogre” is a telling word, and one wonders if they added something descriptive about his height as well.
ETA: looking at his photos from school and now. As a kid, he was rather good-looking, with light, wide-set eyes. Now I wonder if his current looks are normal aging, or does he, indeed, have hypertrophy of parotid glands, occasionally a telltale sign of alcoholism?

 

[Pinkizzy]

Just to be clear - According to the article you posted - he sold one timeshare and bought another in Las Vegas (LV). IMO

Yes, he has links to two properties in LV

 

[sds71]

The ramshackle single-family home on First Avenue in Massapequa Park has been swarmed by reporters and gawkers of every stripe since Heuermann’s arrest earlier this month, raising concerns among his neighbors, which village Mayor Daniel Pearl and Nassau County Police Commissioner Patrick Ryder sought to address at a community meeting Monday night, reported Newsday

“They have a lot of concerns in terms of quality of life, their safety, and their property,” Pearl said.

The mayor said his village government was laying the groundwork to potentially buy the First Avenue property, where Heuermann had lived for nearly 30 years.

“Legally, we’re getting everything lined up so the village is prepared to move forward when the time comes,” he said, without going into further detail…

The property will be under 24-hour video surveillance and will be guarded by police vehicles, Pearl said, calling the measures “proactive.”

Town looking to buy Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s home, which has become a magnet for gawkers

Rex Heuermann bought the Massapequa Park property in 1994 for $170,000, it’s now valued at an estimated $635,000

nypost.com

 

[Charlot123]

“We’re interviewing a great deal of people,” he said.

“This investigation isn’t limited to New York state.”

However, under federal law, Mr Heuermann’s DNA cannot be entered into state or national databases to see if he is tied to other unsolved cases until he is convicted.

Long Island police dodge questions about evidence in Rex Heuermann home

Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney says a ‘massive amount of evidence’ has been recovered from the suspect’s family home in Massapequa Park

www.independent.co.uk

If any of it has to do with NY, all they need to do is bring him to South Carolina or Las Vegas and collect DNA there.

I remember how in 2015, even commercial DNA mailed from NYC was not processed in 23@me, some odd rules. People were complaining that they’d buy kids, drive to Connecticut, spit into the test tube there and mail to the company from Connecticut. It generated a lot of jokes, and then the rule was removed, but I can imagine that official privacy laws in NY are somewhat complex. But I can imagine that they can tie his official DNA to the address of any of his properties. JMO.

 

[Sundog]

The ramshackle single-family home on First Avenue in Massapequa Park has been swarmed by reporters and gawkers of every stripe since Heuermann’s arrest earlier this month, raising concerns among his neighbors, which village Mayor Daniel Pearl and Nassau County Police Commissioner Patrick Ryder sought to address at a community meeting Monday night, reported Newsday

“They have a lot of concerns in terms of quality of life, their safety, and their property,” Pearl said.

The mayor said his village government was laying the groundwork to potentially buy the First Avenue property, where Heuermann had lived for nearly 30 years.

“Legally, we’re getting everything lined up so the village is prepared to move forward when the time comes,” he said, without going into further detail…

The property will be under 24-hour video surveillance and will be guarded by police vehicles, Pearl said, calling the measures “proactive.”

Town looking to buy Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s home, which has become a magnet for gawkers

Rex Heuermann bought the Massapequa Park property in 1994 for $170,000, it’s now valued at an estimated $635,000

nypost.com

That's interesting that the mayor said his village government is preparing to potentially buy the RH home. I wonder if they received a heads-up that the divorce proceedings may involve the sale of the home, and they want to be ready if that happens. The attorney for the wife may have informally contacted the mayor's office about this, or the mayor may have informally contacted the wife's attorney to inquire about possibilities. Once the house is released back to the family, hopefully this would be a possibility.

 

[iamshadow21]

If any of it has to do with NY, all they need to do is bring him to South Carolina or Las Vegas and collect DNA there.

I remember how in 2015, even commercial DNA mailed from NYC was not processed in 23@me, some odd rules. People were complaining that they’d buy kids, drive to Connecticut, spit into the test tube there and mail to the company from Connecticut. It generated a lot of jokes, and then the rule was removed, but I can imagine that official privacy laws in NY are somewhat complex. But I can imagine that they can tie his official DNA to the address of any of his properties. JMO.

Yeah, he is never leaving New York.

Remember the squabbles over Bundy? Everyone wanted him, but it all came down to the simple fact of who had the body.

Whose body?

His.

Florida had him and was never letting him go, because they got 'first dibs' to try him, and he got sentenced to death in both the Chi Omega and Kim Leach trials.

New York has RH's person in their custody, and he is not going anywhere except on trial, and then, if found guilty, to a segregated cell for the term of his natural life.

MOO

 

[FromGermany1]

The thing that I find ironic, is that he was angry with Amber and wanted 'credit' after she and her friends pulled the 'jealous/violent partner' scam on him, one of the oldest recorded cons in written history. A classic hundreds of years old, if not thousands.

And yet he himself has multiple car accident claims one after the other after the other, all for $5mil. He was just as much a con artist as they were. Out for what he could scam from other drivers to fund his lifestyle, his pleasures, by deception.

MOO

I had the impression, his favorite months for being injured by car were January/February?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

That's interesting that the mayor said his village government is preparing to potentially buy the RH home. I wonder if they received a heads-up that the divorce proceedings may involve the sale of the home, and they want to be ready if that happens. The attorney for the wife may have informally contacted the mayor's office about this, or the mayor may have informally contacted the wife's attorney to inquire about possibilities. Once the house is released back to the family, hopefully this would be a possibility.

I have thought that they should tear it down and turn it into a neighborhood park. Eventually the use of the park would override the memory of the man. Especially if their is no cruel evidence from there.

I remember the dear Amish school children who were killed in Pennsylvania. I just felt this overwhelming need to pay my respects. The Amish community tore down and got rid of every speck of that building, overnight, the night before.

It was just a beautifully grazed landscape adorned with so many flowers so many people had brought.

 

[Friday13]

I had the impression, his favorite months for being injured by car were January/February?

He needed a different “hobby” in the off season I guess

 

[investigatefred]

Once the divorce proceedings start, and marital assets are divided/sold, I wonder how this would affect his brother residing on his SC property? One of the "structures" on 1031 Rippling Brooke Dr is a mobile home. Mobile homes are taxed as "personal property," not real estate. One structure on the property is NOT owned by Rex, nor taxed under his name, only the land is. I am also wondering if he leased the lots, or at least the one 5+/- acre parcel containing the "structures" pre-July 2021. I guess time will tell.

A previous google maps image of the property from 2013 shows 2 military-type trucks parked behind the gate, and a weird pirate flag that I can't find anywhere online. (Images attached) the most recent "street view" of the property was June 2023. The flag itself is now gone, only the broken pole remains. The military vehicles still show in the current satellite view image.

* Also to note, Rex's 2002 Chevrolet Avalanche was sold/transferred sometime in 2014, as it first appears in SC personal property tax records OUT of Rex's name on 7/31/2014.

 

[Ruminations]

As a master of codes and regulations one would think he would not attempt to kill in LV , FLA or the Carolinas...

I believe it is well-established that DP is not a deterrent. That does not mean it is not appropriate justice in the eyes of many of my American peers. But it does not prevent crime.