Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #8

[kittythehare]

Let's hope he did. Since he is a unique-looking person and since he is all over the news, surely anyone who rented or leased to him has already contacted LE.

not necessarily.
Not all are legit or above board .

 

[iamshadow21]

AE not charged with anything, no problems for her attorney to speak publicly to say she wasn’t involved etc. Likely he sees value in keeping her in positive public sentiment. Doubt he would say anything about RH, certainly not “defend”. He won’t want to put self in position of being a “witness” of any sort.
RH attorney - would be foolish to jeopardize the case by appearing in NG or any other similar program.

might be a stupid question … are mapped ONLY female remains possibly linked to LISK, or all unsolved remains on LI?

They have not plotted all unsolved remains. I uncovered an unidentified male found in Manorville when trying to work out who 'Unidentified Female' in Manorville was.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
('Unidentified Female' at Manorville was unconnected, and identified quickly, so I don't know why she's on there. If you go back to my detailed response to the greyscale map post, I supplied links. Overdose.)

And Asian Doe is on there. I think there's enough information from the clothing that they didn't identify as strictly male, if male at all, but if you're looking strictly at chromosomes, then Asian Doe is not XX as the other victims on the map are.

MOO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

They have not plotted all unsolved remains. I uncovered an unidentified male found in Manorville when trying to work out who 'Unidentified Female' in Manorville was.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
('Unidentified Female' at Manorville was unconnected, and identified quickly, so I don't know why she's on there. If you go back to my detailed response to the greyscale map post, I supplied links. Overdose.)

And Asian Doe is on there. I think there's enough information from the clothing that they didn't identify as strictly male, if male at all, but if you're looking strictly at chromosomes, then Asian Doe is not XX as the other victims on the map are.

MOO

Thanks.
Thinking there are probably known to criminals/organized crime/gangs dumping grounds … dark, deserted, no cameras and ability to see approaching headlights. RH probably not unique in using those areas.

 

[NyxNY]

I noticed the container Peaches was in seemed to have an off brand sticker on it. I thought I should look for a similar sticker on the one in the released photos. Either I forgot to do it or couldn’t see a sticker on the one in the pics.

"Keepers Rough Tote" is a Rubbermaid tote

https://oddstops.com/i/2022/08/24/202208241616-peaches-lisk.webp

 

[Barbie619]

I’m also curious. It may be a stretch, but maybe it’s someone who knew about his crimes or was complicit. Just spitballing. Due to how quickly Asa filed for divorce, and the fact that she’s going through cancer treatment, I find it hard to believe she’d want to talk to him. He’s basically blown up her life and their family’s life.

I'd think they'd want to distance themselves from RH, unless of course they wanted to ensure his silence. Visits are recorded except for lawyer visits. I'm more of the opinion it was work related since the company is being dissolved. JMHO

 

[Ruminations]

not necessarily.
Not all are legit or above board .

Well, now you're talking conspiracy.

Which I think is highly possible- but not with a rando property owner/manager.

I have a lot of nerve bringing this up, having only the vaguest familiarity with tools you are using like AI and google mapping for more than trip planning. But, is there a way to cross reference people who mostly shall not be named here, infamous for their party lives? A party property under renovation could be an intersection.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

Thanks.
Thinking there are probably known to criminals/organized crime/gangs dumping grounds … dark, deserted, no cameras and ability to see approaching headlights. RH probably not unique in using those areas.

It seems to me that LE didn't check this area often based on the fact that some remains had been placed there years before 2010. It's more like a nature preserve for the ocean faring animals and insects and it's very rough terrain if someone is trying to get to the beach from Ocean Parkway. I did see some pictures of a tunnel entrance to Gilgo, but not sure where it's located or if RH used it at any point for dumping his victims.

 

[iamshadow21]

It seems to me that LE didn't check this area often based on the fact that some remains had been placed there years before 2010. It's more like a nature preserve for the ocean faring animals and insects and it's very rough terrain if someone is trying to get to the beach from Ocean Parkway. I did see some pictures of a tunnel entrance to Gilgo, but not sure where it's located or if RH used it at any point for dumping his victims.

Pretty sure that's the entrance to the actual sandy bit of the beach proper right where the surf is breaking, and the GB4 were placed along the road BEHIND that, in an area that's covered in brambles. Not somewhere you'd roll out your beach towel.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

We know, RH has to be mentally disturbed, because he murdered. But he seems to be already mentally disturbed somehow, when he thought, he as "Mister successful architect" from Manhattan could show his cluttered family home on LI to a nice city girl. You would rather keep it a secret about how you live privately, when there is such a big contrast, IMO. Did he plan, that no SW-witness of his family home would ever survive?

Yes, that's probably why he came on so strong with Nikkie Bragg. He wanted to take her in his vehicle to his house after their date and even she said he didn't mention driving her back to her own car afterwards. I don't think he had any plans to drive her back to her car. I completely agree with you on bringing her to his cluttered home, I'd personally be embarrassed to have someone see my home if it was cluttered. I definitely don't think they would be leaving that house alive. JMO

 

[Ruminations]

Thanks.
Thinking there are probably known to criminals/organized crime/gangs dumping grounds … dark, deserted, no cameras and ability to see approaching headlights. RH probably not unique in using those areas.

Well, yes, and there is a difference.

GB4 were dumped with more pride in the project, since the torture/murder was the point. Manorville parts were scattered and we haven't heard of any parts of them being mailed to someone or anything, to send a message. All-in-a-day's-work gangsters and hit professionals are focused on the kill being a means to an end.

A lot of hits are left where killed for efficiency.

Gang enforcement might want to make an example of the victim, not disappear them.

Scattering body parts and leaving bodies with bindings, especially bindings that are someone's personal property, are both different from that.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

Pretty sure that's the entrance to the actual sandy bit of the beach proper right where the surf is breaking, and the GB4 were placed along the road BEHIND that, in an area that's covered in brambles. Not somewhere you'd roll out your beach towel.

MOO

Yes, that's what I thought too. But it's certainly not human friendly as a regular beach spot. Except with the yearly Gilgo Beach Festival that people arrive on boats. I live at the beach and I do know how unfriendly the brambles are. He probably just threw them as far as he could and they landed in those brambles. It's actually a great place to hide something you wouldn't want anyone to find because no one would be casually passing through.

 

[Ruminations]

They have not plotted all unsolved remains. I uncovered an unidentified male found in Manorville when trying to work out who 'Unidentified Female' in Manorville was.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
('Unidentified Female' at Manorville was unconnected, and identified quickly, so I don't know why she's on there. If you go back to my detailed response to the greyscale map post, I supplied links. Overdose.)

And Asian Doe is on there. I think there's enough information from the clothing that they didn't identify as strictly male, if male at all, but if you're looking strictly at chromosomes, then Asian Doe is not XX as the other victims on the map are.

MOO

That we don't know even the gender makes me sad for Asian Doe.

Those of us who care are trying not to misgender---them. Because that's rude. If only she/he/ they were ID and had an advocate to clear things up.

I'm all for it- cis male, male who likes female clothing, female assigned male at birth. Whatever it is, I want to get it right.

They could even be a male punished and tortured with women's clothing.

RIP, Asian Doe

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Well, yes, and there is a difference.

GB4 were dumped with more pride in the project, since the torture/murder was the point. Manorville parts were scattered and we haven't heard of any parts of them being mailed to someone or anything, to send a message. All-in-a-day's-work gangsters and hit professionals are focused on the kill being a means to an end.

A lot of hits are left where killed for efficiency.

Gang enforcement might want to make an example of the victim, not disappear them.

Scattering body parts and leaving bodies with bindings, especially bindings that are someone's personal property, are both different from that.

MOO

A dismemberment takes time, and can also be driven by torture/murder being the point. For example, it's suggested that Peaches' cause of death WAS the dismemberment, the decapitation to be specific. Whereas the GB4 were strangled, a comparatively bloodless death.

The dismembered victims weren't mailed to anyone, no, but I think that's a relatively rare thing to happen, particularly in the modern age. It's not the nineteen twenties when you could ship a steamer trunk to a random address anymore. Hence a lot of dismembered victims ending up like Cherries, Evelyn Colon, and Aydil Barbosa Fontes - put in suitcases and thrown in waterways.

But a big upside of dismemberment doesn't exist any more. Hindering identification. With DNA, it doesn't matter how many parts someone is cut into, or how far you distribute them, DNA will assemble those parts into one person, and eventually, give LE a name for that person. So, for someone to cut someone up, they have to be determined. They have to be driven. Since identification isn't hindered by dismemberment any more, the two things remaining are transportation and gratification. Transportation for RH? No worries. He's a big strong guy with a car designed to transport a body (okay, not specifically designed, but very fit for purpose.) So, we're left with gratification. The kind of person who cuts somebody to pieces, alive or dead, because it fulfills something in them.

Whether RH and the killer of the dismemberment victims is the same person? I'm undecided at this point. I don't think they're as different as they appear on the surface. I think it's entirely possible for someone to start out dismembering to hinder identification, but then move to disposing of victims intact once it becomes clear that the advancement of DNA science means it isn't worth it. It wouldn't be satisfying for someone who just wants to dismember someone, or be practical for someone who needs to dispose of someone in smaller pieces, but it would be fine for someone who primarily cut bodies up to try to outwit LE. And, as someone else raised a while ago, if we leave out Cherries, then there's a progression from Karen, Peaches, Valerie and Jessica, all dismembered and scattered, to Asian Doe and the GB4, none of whom were, and all of whom were deposited on the same very small section of coastline.

Whether RH is responsible for the dismemberment victims or not, I think he has a body count stretching back far, far further than the GB4, so if we should be looking elsewhere for those victims, then where? I guess that's what we're going to find out as this case progresses.

(Oh wow, this was very long, sorry folks, apparently I have ~*ThoughtsTM*~ about dismemberment.)

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

That we don't know even the gender makes me sad for Asian Doe.

Those of us who care are trying not to misgender---them. Because that's rude. If only she/he/ they were ID and had an advocate to clear things up.

I'm all for it- cis male, male who likes female clothing, female assigned male at birth. Whatever it is, I want to get it right.

They could even be a male punished and tortured with women's clothing.

RIP, Asian Doe

MOO

At this point, the clothing they were found in is definitely our biggest clue. But we can't assume, because there's a peripheral case associated with LISK, that of Andre Isaac "Sugar Bear" where gender was more fluid, and at least partly associated with professional performance, and we can't assume that that isn't a possibility for Asian Doe. So until we hear otherwise, I'm doing what I do with other potentially transgender or gender diverse Does - using they/them pronouns and being open to the possibilities. I hope we won't have to wait too long to find out their name, hopefully, if transgender, the name and gender they identified with/as in life.

MOO

 

[SonsOfCain]

The unidentified man could be someone associated with his firm, accountant or other, to go over some issues related to closing down the business and things that need to be done, etc. Or someone associated with the building where he rents space and ending lease, etc.

JMO.

That’s what I was thinking too. They probably sent someone from the business to tell him it’s done and to go over stuff related to the firm. Heuermann seemed like the type that didn’t get close to people and who didn’t seem to care much about making friends. Outside of his direct family, we haven’t really heard from friends (if he has any). If I am wrong, please let me know. I still have a few things to catch up on.

 

[Diddian]

A dismemberment takes time, and can also be driven by torture/murder being the point. For example, it's suggested that Peaches' cause of death WAS the dismemberment, the decapitation to be specific. Whereas the GB4 were strangled, a comparatively bloodless death.

The dismembered victims weren't mailed to anyone, no, but I think that's a relatively rare thing to happen, particularly in the modern age. It's not the nineteen twenties when you could ship a steamer trunk to a random address anymore. Hence a lot of dismembered victims ending up like Cherries, Evelyn Colon, and Aydil Barbosa Fontes - put in suitcases and thrown in waterways.

But a big upside of dismemberment doesn't exist any more. Hindering identification. With DNA, it doesn't matter how many parts someone is cut into, or how far you distribute them, DNA will assemble those parts into one person, and eventually, give LE a name for that person. So, for someone to cut someone up, they have to be determined. They have to be driven. Since identification isn't hindered by dismemberment any more, the two things remaining are transportation and gratification. Transportation for RH? No worries. He's a big strong guy with a car designed to transport a body (okay, not specifically designed, but very fit for purpose.) So, we're left with gratification. The kind of person who cuts somebody to pieces, alive or dead, because it fulfills something in them.

Whether RH and the killer of the dismemberment victims is the same person? I'm undecided at this point. I don't think they're as different as they appear on the surface. I think it's entirely possible for someone to start out dismembering to hinder identification, but then move to disposing of victims intact once it becomes clear that the advancement of DNA science means it isn't worth it. It wouldn't be satisfying for someone who just wants to dismember someone, or be practical for someone who needs to dispose of someone in smaller pieces, but it would be fine for someone who primarily cut bodies up to try to outwit LE. And, as someone else raised a while ago, if we leave out Cherries, then there's a progression from Karen, Peaches, Valerie and Jessica, all dismembered and scattered, to Asian Doe and the GB4, none of whom were, and all of whom were deposited on the same very small section of coastline.

Whether RH is responsible for the dismemberment victims or not, I think he has a body count stretching back far, far further than the GB4, so if we should be looking elsewhere for those victims, then where? I guess that's what we're going to find out as this case progresses.

(Oh wow, this was very long, sorry folks, apparently I have ~*ThoughtsTM*~ about dismemberment.)

MOO

Beyond "transportation and gratification" as motivation to dismember, I would also add "to threaten or warn others," if the killer did it to motivate others who had something in common with the victim (other escorts, other drug users, someone who is aware of something hidden and illegal) to keep quiet, stay in line, or something like that.

 

[iamshadow21]

Beyond "transportation and gratification" as motivation to dismember, I would also add "to threaten or warn others," if the killer did it to motivate others who had something in common with the victim (other escorts, other drug users, someone who is aware of something hidden and illegal) to keep quiet, stay in line, or something like that.

The post I responded to already mentioned intimidation, as in gangs and such killing and displaying, which is why I didn't go into it. As far as we know, RH has no gang affiliations, and I was talking more about the drives of a lone serial offender, which is what he appears to be at this stage.

MOO

 

[kittythehare]

A dismemberment takes time, and can also be driven by torture/murder being the point. For example, it's suggested that Peaches' cause of death WAS the dismemberment, the decapitation to be specific. Whereas the GB4 were strangled, a comparatively bloodless death.

The dismembered victims weren't mailed to anyone, no, but I think that's a relatively rare thing to happen, particularly in the modern age. It's not the nineteen twenties when you could ship a steamer trunk to a random address anymore. Hence a lot of dismembered victims ending up like Cherries, Evelyn Colon, and Aydil Barbosa Fontes - put in suitcases and thrown in waterways.

But a big upside of dismemberment doesn't exist any more. Hindering identification. With DNA, it doesn't matter how many parts someone is cut into, or how far you distribute them, DNA will assemble those parts into one person, and eventually, give LE a name for that person. So, for someone to cut someone up, they have to be determined. They have to be driven. Since identification isn't hindered by dismemberment any more, the two things remaining are transportation and gratification. Transportation for RH? No worries. He's a big strong guy with a car designed to transport a body (okay, not specifically designed, but very fit for purpose.) So, we're left with gratification. The kind of person who cuts somebody to pieces, alive or dead, because it fulfills something in them.

Whether RH and the killer of the dismemberment victims is the same person? I'm undecided at this point. I don't think they're as different as they appear on the surface. I think it's entirely possible for someone to start out dismembering to hinder identification, but then move to disposing of victims intact once it becomes clear that the advancement of DNA science means it isn't worth it. It wouldn't be satisfying for someone who just wants to dismember someone, or be practical for someone who needs to dispose of someone in smaller pieces, but it would be fine for someone who primarily cut bodies up to try to outwit LE. And, as someone else raised a while ago, if we leave out Cherries, then there's a progression from Karen, Peaches, Valerie and Jessica, all dismembered and scattered, to Asian Doe and the GB4, none of whom were, and all of whom were deposited on the same very small section of coastline.

Whether RH is responsible for the dismemberment victims or not, I think he has a body count stretching back far, far further than the GB4, so if we should be looking elsewhere for those victims, then where? I guess that's what we're going to find out as this case progresses.

(Oh wow, this was very long, sorry folks, apparently I have ~*ThoughtsTM*~ about dismemberment.)

MOO

I agree they're not so different.
A word about dismemberment, it doesn't have to take much time at all using power tools.. faster than one would imagine, from my days in orthopaedic operating rooms..

All he'd need is electricity for the power tools, water for hosing down and receptacles, then just drop them off in the course of a dive to the ocean.. or whatever.

 

[sds71]

@tararosenblum


Just learned that the Las Vegas PD DNA lab will be conducting a ‘direct comparison’ this week against Rex Heureman’s DNA and the DNA recovered in the case of murdered NJ mom Victoria Camara. Results expected in 6-8 weeks

 

[iamshadow21]

I agree they're not so different.
A word about dismemberment, it doesn't have to take much time at all using power tools.. faster than one would imagine, from my days in orthopaedic operating rooms..

All he'd need is electricity for the power tools, water for hosing down and receptacles, then just drop them off in the course of a dive to the ocean.. or whatever.

Cutting up, cleaning up, packaging up, and disposal even with power tools is still a lot more time than dumping a body, intact, unless you're going for a full burial. You need an area you can fully clean down, and even then, a bit of Bluestar and that room is going to scream what was done there. People are still going to do it, sure, but as we saw with the Florida case the other week, it makes an unholy amount of mess. It'd be a challenge, let's say, for someone to erase all trace of that so not only does your wife not notice when she gets home from holiday, but the CSIs who systematically stripped your house over a couple of weeks don't find anything, either. And they were looking HARD. They would have been over every inch of that place with presumptive testing for blood.

MOO