Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #12

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And, there was the penetration objects torture fixation he had. I'm not sure BTK nor RH "personally" penetrated all of their victims.

jmo
I don’t think it was the act of sexual intercourse itself that satisfied/gratified him, and IMO I don’t think he engaged in that with his victims (or at least most of them). What made his clock tick was much more sadistic and sinister, basically the things you referenced are what probably did it for him. Territory I don’t think I want to try to even start to delve into!
 
Well, they knew the hair that was found on Sandra wasn't Bittrolff's. He was excluded from contributing it.

So if it was left by her killer, they had to look elsewhere. And their microscopic examination of RH's life would have showed them that at the time Sandra was killed, he lived alone.

He needed to be ruled out, but that didn't happen. The hair was his.

I don't know what this is going to mean for JB, but I suspect that his DNA on his two victims is still going to be the stronger argument than a variation on the SODDI defense. And I don't see him sitting in prison for a decade on his tod if he did it with RH without saying a word.

And RH doesn't strike me as the sort to share. I think he's a loner, not someone who wants a partner-killer.

MOO
But given what we’re learning about his penchant for torture, maybe he was more than happy to have a partner to witness what he did to JB, the “last to be with” Sandra.
 
All speculation, imo, fwiw
Did RH ever mention condoms?
Did he adjust his methods of killing and disposing of victims (Asian male?) to accommodate any fears he may have had regarding HIV/STDs?
Did he worry about passing anything on to those close to him?
Did he find a way to check prospective victims health records?
When he taunted family members of his victims, he referred to their loved ones with that nasty old-fashioned word, who..s, was he ever taunted for his ironically descriptive name?
Apr 16, 1990 Heidi Evans rbbm
''NEW YORK - A study that tested nearly 950 New York City streetwalkers found that a third of them were carrying the AIDS virus, one of the highest rates of infection ever found among U.S. prostitutes.
The nine-month study, paid for by the state Health Department and the federal Centers for Disease Control, tested streetwalkers in 18 neighborhoods in the five boroughs between April and December of last year.''

2008 By Patricia Fieldsteel rbbm
''Most of the girls (a term they preferred to “women”) worked the Lower East Side around Allen and Delancey. Many were well educated; they were also among the dirtiest and most degraded of the working girls. Diana had been an upper-class British vet, specializing in horses. Another had been a dentist. Julie, a petite redhead, had as identification a New York Public Library card. She got tested but refused to learn her results. Chiara came from a wealthy Milanese family and had battled severe anorexia and bulimia for more than 10 years. She’d sought treatment in a New York City eating disorders hospital where another patient had told her heroin stopped bulimia. Nothing, she said, was worse than the hell of bulimia, not even ending up homeless, hooking to pay for her next fix. In early 1990, Julie disappeared. Then others. Not unusual. Sometime in 1991, the girls on the Lower East Side started whispering about a pervert who killed. Street prostitutes are murdered all the time.

During the winter of 1989, a working girl entered the van on Broadway in the 90s. Trembling, she showed me her savagely bruised neck and pointed to a collegiate-looking guy in aviator glasses: “He tried to strangle me during sex. He’s tried on other girls, too.”
Alone the bruised neck points to him. AND the aviator glasses. MOO
 
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I want to see some receipts on that story before I take it as Gospel imo. I like Nikki but she's teamed up with John Ray very quickly and that makes me very sceptical. They were on Banfield last night and talked about a white envelope. Her story keeps expanding.

IKWYM. I wonder if Leeanne still stays in touch with Ray and LE?

Leeanne has worked as an escort in Suffolk County for the last six years. On Thursday, she sat next to the attorney representing the family of Shannan Glibert, one of the victims of the at least 10 unsolved Gilgo Beach murders. She told a story about a party in Oak Beach in August 2011 during the Gilgo Beach investigation at which she encountered then Suffolk County Police Chief James Burke. She said that as they were talking, Burke rubbed his hand up her leg and she believed he wanted sex.

 
And, there was the penetration objects torture fixation he had. I'm not sure BTK nor RH "personally" penetrated all of their victims.

jmo
people forget that the assault is not about sexual gratification with a partner. it's about domination and power. I really don't want to get to graphic with details, but this is all in line with torso/bondage psych, and large component of that is lack of penetrative and (as delicately as I can put this) "self-gratification" ending with them leaving the result of that ON the victim. it's about power-shame dynamic, humiliation, and disrespect. if this is the angle, prevailing established psychology would lead me to believe that there significant early childhood abuse more than likely at the hands of his parent or other parental figure. maybe it was his dad in that very same workshop. he's recreating something over and over and trying to perfect it for a reason.

tldr we are not dealing with a brain on normal operating platform.
 
BBM:

So LE had cameras on poles directed at his house and they were tracking him on his communications and he patronized SW'ers throughout that year/year and a half.

Does this mean that LE knows who these SW were and did they track them down and interview them before RH's arrest which could have been real dicey considering one of them could have tipped off RH?
I assume LE followed him on these excursions?

Where did AE think he was when he was out prowling for and/or meeting up with women?
There is a Bail Application dated July 14. 2023 and one from the other day. Unless the info you want is in one of those documents then we have to wait for trial or a new document to be released.
Edit: because LE has so much much more they aren't releasing.
 
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The fantasy, the next level, in his pattern of escalation may have been just that, to keep a victim long-term. Truly we don't know that he didn't. We don't know what deleted files may have been overwritten, lost for all time. Secondary locations. Do we know the lengths of all of his wife's absences? There seems to be no bottom to his depravity.

JMO
In the bail document, from the other day I thought it said RH documented the days of when "wife in VT" like a calendar (or something like that).

The bail document of July 14, 2023 they knew the pattern of each time AE was gone and a murder would take place. I could be mistaken, but I thought that other bail document listed the lenths of time his wife was gone. With that info they knew she was leaving and for public safety had to move in.
 
It wasn't smashed. They cut a hole out of the side panelling (cosmetic) to access the plumbing. They would have taken every trap in the house. As far as I remember, the fixing of the traps from the sinks and bath was offered to be done for free for them by generous members of the public.

MOO
Yes that is correct. I seem to also recall pictures showing the heavy cuts in the lower vertical sides of the tub wall. That topic reminds me of a recent story told of an older case in the UK or Scotland IIRC. It was a keen and alert plumber that brought to LE authorities problems with the plumbing, clogged and improper draining pipes, septic, and sewer as the killer had been unsuccessfully flushing many items to the drain. (That case might have been of Dennis Nilsen in UK I believe. And it seems he was of Scottish origin.) MOO
 
I’m not sure there was ever a hunky-dory side to living with RH. An addict is an addict. He is/was allegedly addicted to killing, torture, presumably sex, hoarding (?), and maybe more. But addicts, no matter what their poison, have addict personalities — issues with codependency, boundaries, denial, truth, control, dysfunctional relationships, etc. Stuff not conducive to a healthy family dynamics and unconditional love. This said many addicts are high functioning — hold a responsible job, make a lot of money, have dinner with the family every night — but In my experience living among them, high functioning or not, addicts have addict personalities! OMO.

Children of addicts are usually “adult children” (look up ACOA) and I mean they have to become adults in the family system while they are still children because the adults aren’t functioning in the position of adult.

While it may not be an accurate appraisal, IMO the body language, facial affect, dress, personal hygiene, and general vibe I get from sp0u$e is someone who has not been content or fulfilled for some time (added: also appears as someone with own issues) :( I wonder if the entire family ever took vacations together or did m0m and k1d$ need breaks from dynamics with other parent? Or was it expected/ suggested they leave periodically?

My point is whether or not everyone in small house was aware of d@d’s misdeeds, IMO they were still living with an addict and all that means. :(

MOO. MOO.

Yes, I cannot imagine he was a laid-back Dad at home, he appears to be simmering with rage. But only the family knows the truth.
 
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people forget that the assault is not about sexual gratification with a partner. it's about domination and power. I really don't want to get to graphic with details, but this is all in line with torso/bondage psych, and large component of that is lack of penetrative and (as delicately as I can put this) "self-gratification" ending with them leaving the result of that ON the victim. it's about power-shame dynamic, humiliation, and disrespect. if this is the angle, prevailing established psychology would lead me to believe that there significant early childhood abuse more than likely at the hands of his parent or other parental figure. maybe it was his dad in that very same workshop. he's recreating something over and over and trying to perfect it for a reason.

tldr we are not dealing with a brain on normal operating platform.
Wondering about the long term effects on elementary kids 'getting the strap' in school in front of both boys and girls, then maybe going home to more of the same? speculation, imo.
“Yes, there was ‘WH’ or ‘HM’ on the belt. The last name is Heuermann. There are ancestors with WH, so assign to that what you will,” Tierney said.''

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All speculation, imo, fwiw
Did RH ever mention condoms?
Did he adjust his methods of killing and disposing of victims (Asian male?) to accommodate any fears he may have had regarding HIV/STDs?
Did he worry about passing anything on to those close to him?
Did he find a way to check prospective victims health records?
When he taunted family members of his victims, he referred to their loved ones with that nasty old-fashioned word, who..s, was he ever taunted for his ironically descriptive name?
Apr 16, 1990 Heidi Evans rbbm
''NEW YORK - A study that tested nearly 950 New York City streetwalkers found that a third of them were carrying the AIDS virus, one of the highest rates of infection ever found among U.S. prostitutes.
The nine-month study, paid for by the state Health Department and the federal Centers for Disease Control, tested streetwalkers in 18 neighborhoods in the five boroughs between April and December of last year.''

2008 By Patricia Fieldsteel rbbm
''Most of the girls (a term they preferred to “women”) worked the Lower East Side around Allen and Delancey. Many were well educated; they were also among the dirtiest and most degraded of the working girls. Diana had been an upper-class British vet, specializing in horses. Another had been a dentist. Julie, a petite redhead, had as identification a New York Public Library card. She got tested but refused to learn her results. Chiara came from a wealthy Milanese family and had battled severe anorexia and bulimia for more than 10 years. She’d sought treatment in a New York City eating disorders hospital where another patient had told her heroin stopped bulimia. Nothing, she said, was worse than the hell of bulimia, not even ending up homeless, hooking to pay for her next fix. In early 1990, Julie disappeared. Then others. Not unusual. Sometime in 1991, the girls on the Lower East Side started whispering about a pervert who killed. Street prostitutes are murdered all the time.

During the winter of 1989, a working girl entered the van on Broadway in the 90s. Trembling, she showed me her savagely bruised neck and pointed to a collegiate-looking guy in aviator glasses: “He tried to strangle me during sex. He’s tried on other girls, too.”

Good questions! I wonder if the jails check for STDs upon them entering their facilities.
 
"Tierney told Newsday that they were so terrified of Heuermann getting wind that he was being eyed that even the grand jury did not learn his name until just before the bombshell arrest."

“When we were investigating the case, we never mentioned the name, even among ourselves. It was always the subject. At most, it was RH,” he added.

“We wanted to sort of do it, set the stage, and toward the end, backload the information with regard to the defendant. We felt that would minimize the chances of leaks,” he said."

 
The detail about "change tires" stuck in my head, and then I was thinking about Rex having the book Mindhunter. John Douglas didn't go into details of the Green River Killer in that book even though it was one of the main cases he was working on at the start of the book. But Gary Ridgway was arrested in 2001--and one thing that was known about him was that he changes his tires very frequently to try to cover things up. The FBI had done a profile of the Green River Killer, and there were may articles about him and his methods leading up to his arrest. I wonder if he got the changing tires idea from Ridgway and the various articles published about him both pre and immediately after GR's arrest.
 
Assuming he is responsible for Karen, Peaches and her baby, Valerie, and Jessica, the pattern he seemed to do was torsos in woodlands, limbs and heads along the beaches. Most of the victims he left whole seem to have been left on beaches, too, Sandra being an exception who was left in the woods. It really wouldn't surprise me if Peaches' skull lies undiscovered on a beach or near one, and Karen's torso is in a wooded area.

MOO
curious if he ever revisited the dumping sites afterward.
 
The evidence against RH is strong. His own attorney knows this. Michael J. Brown said. "New charges are always horrific and yeah, he's in a bad place due to the new charges." Ya think?!!

RH's attorney said that his client was surprised he was being charged with more killings. He must have really thought he had covered all his tracks and deletions.
 
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