Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #13

[Warwick7]

You know that art isn't necessarily literal right? You know that it can be metaphoric right? You know that most of what she shared or viewed was not even hers right?

We don't know any of that for a fact.

 

[iamshadow21]

It was the first time I read about her hair also, and that fact alone would trigger an investigation.

But it is not new information to law enforcement.

And she was a child, and provably out of state, which means they HAVE investigated it.

MOO

 

[x_files]

I know zilch about Tumbler.

Two images from her Tumbler account have these dates on them which is after RH's arrest on 7-13-23.

Do these dates mean that she posted the images after her father's arrest?

The date on one image is 12-8-23
The other one is 11.28.23

'Demonic' details revealed about Rex Heuermann and daughter: 'Human devils'​

Attorney John Ray revealed chilling new details about the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann and his daughter, Victoria.

www.newsweek.com

Possibly or when NYPD found it, and filed it as evidence. Her account is disabled so I cannot confirm it.
I thought Tumblr was defunct, it's not very popular anymore compared to TikTok, but a few visual artists still post there.
I wonder if NYPD asked John to put out this info?

 

[x_files]

But it is not new information to law enforcement.

And she was a child, and provably out of state, which means they HAVE investigated it.

MOO

She was not of state during her entire childhood. She lived at that house with her Mother and Father, unless they state she NEVER lived with Father nor visited her ever she was most likely exposed to something she should not have been exposed to, and as a child could not comphrend.
She could have accidentally looked at some of her father's photos.
It stuck in her subconscious.

 

[fred&edna]

Some people are generally freaked out about clowns... paintings, drawings, whatever... but for the rest of the population they are simply clowns and have no negative impressions UNLESS they are aware and affected by the John Wayne Gacy murders. It's all in the eye AND MIND.

https://www.widewalls.ch/magazine/john-wayne-gacy-art

ETA: If Gacy had a child who viewed/drew/painted mutilations and clowns most of US would be interested, horrified or have some emotional reaction. And, if these artworks were viewed and done during the time Gacy was active, most of us would be concerned. Does that mean those of us disturbed by this are implying the child was also a killer? NO.

jmo

 

[iamshadow21]

She was not of state during her entire childhood. She lived at that house with her Mother and Father, unless they state she NEVER lived with Father nor visited her ever she was most likely exposed to something she should not have been exposed to, and as a child could not comphrend.
She could have accidentally looked at some of her father's photos.
It stuck in her subconscious.

I'm not saying she never was exposed to anything ever in her whole childhood - we were discussing the hair and its connection to Amber's murder!

 

[x_files]

Some people are generally freaked out about clowns... paintings, drawings, whatever... but for the rest of the population they are simply clowns and have no negative impressions UNLESS they are aware and affected by the John Wayne Gacy murders. It's all in the eye AND MIND.

https://www.widewalls.ch/magazine/john-wayne-gacy-art

jmo

Yes, absolutely! But most people do NOT like to view paintings of dismembered bodies. Clowns are either creepy or cringey.
Dismembered bodies are either a forensic study, anatnomy, of a crime, or from a horrible nightmare. Even surreal art. Not many grandmas would collect dismembered nudes of a woman but might collect dolls or ugly clowns.

 

[x_files]

I'm not saying she never was exposed to anything ever in her whole childhood - we were discussing the hair and its connection to Amber's murder!

Her hair most likely was transferred from just living there, like cat hair.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1801316878008091112

 

[wcasewatch]

Go to any high school art competition and you will see all kinds of morbid and shocking art made by teenage girls.

 

[IDK]

Artistic expression can take many forms of course. Does anyone else remember the Verified Insider who created the jewelry below? I can’t remember their user name, but they posted for a short period of time. She was in contact with several of the victim’s families. ( IIRC, she was not a fan of JR)

Haunting jewelry named for Gilgo Beach victims featured macabre murder details

A Long Island company found a macabre way to remember the Gilgo Beach murders — by peddling ornate jewelry named for the victims.

nypost.com

 

[wcasewatch]

A relative of mine used to upload shocking stuff like this to her FB page. At first, I thought she was just going through a teenage emo phase. Now it's clear that she's somehow involved in this case.

 

[Inthedetails]

The only purpose of the presser, imo, is to pressure Rex's family into providing information that could lead to more victims. Other than that, I don't see what the point was.

jmo

 

[Gerontion]

a casual discussion of her artwork

I might casually mention that of all the pieces of art shown by JR, no two look to be by the same artist.

 

[Ruminations]

He's also pointing out that RH's family is making money off of this case and he isn't.

But the press conference wasn't about them accidentally knowing something.

lol, let me try again.

The press conference was about VH's violent art and the similarities to crime scenes from her childhood and even before she was born. The crimes are alledged done by her father.

Now, Tierney in a "doth protest too much," way indicates that murders are around times Asa leaves town. This pattern so far holds, but he does not have receipts that Asa was out of town the entire time that victims were missing.

I had made the point that even if the family knows nothing that they can identify the relevance of, they know things that LE knows the relevance of. Such as the new tire hypothetical.

John Ray has questioned the bizarrely adamant support by LE for the narrative that the family are not witnesses. LE can just be neutral. They can say the family is cooperating and giving us all the information that they have. They should mention the travel patterns, because it could make any witness remember something. But they don't need to do say more than there are no other suspects at this time.

John Ray previously has rather thoroughly debunked that Asa knew nothing about swinging. In addition, Asa was home when something criminal was happening to Karen Vergata, it appears. This does not mean Asa committed a crime or recognized that she witnessed one. Asa could have over-rationalized it or over trusted Rex and the detective, just as the witness did. But, it removes the possibility that Asa is clueless.

Today, John Ray exposed VH interests and art. There were many themes that can't be coincidence. It is not just what young people are into. John Ray is inferring that this means VH knew explicitly, although I don't make the same inference. I think it may be any number of things including VH being extremely drawn to LISK and not knowing why. It can be as horrid as her witnessing things she has painted, even by sneaking into the verboten torture room after school but before Dad got home.

In any case, she knows something. Whether it is a feeling she got when Dad saw her art, or what she walked into home from the first grade, and is forever burned in her memory, she has something. John Ray has shown us that.

John Ray is a hero in this case. So I hesitate to say this. It is true, but please do NOT use it to twist my words into anything to suggest other than that he is one of the few people bucking a huge power bloc and moving this case forward. I for one do not think that hairs at crime scenes, wrapped babies, multiple hair nets or art depicting murder, torture, rape and dismemberment point to a supportive role in crimes. But it is just my opinion. Because of John Ray we have data and information to develop theories and work leads. I don't have to agree with all the inferences made by John Ray to deeply appreciate all of the information we have only because of him.

MOO


Edited to add the less subtle detail:

Yeah. The family is making more than a million on this case. Peacock deal.

MOO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

The only purpose of the presser, imo, is to pressure Rex's family into providing information that could lead to more victims. Other than that, I don't see what the point was.

jmo

I don't know how John Ray would have any idea what information this family might be providing LE.

 

[x_files]

Go to any high school art competition and you will see all kinds of morbid and shocking art made by teenage girls.

Spooky art yes.
Nude, sexually tortured dismembered torsos? Are you sure about that? Most schools would not be allowed to show extreme art. Nudity is generally not allowed nor is sexual violence.
I studied Art/Art Therapy/Abnormal Psychology so I do not shock easily.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Possibly or when NYPD found it, and filed it as evidence. Her account is disabled so I cannot confirm it.
I thought Tumblr was defunct, it's not very popular anymore compared to TikTok, but a few visual artists still post there.
I wonder if NYPD asked John to put out this info?

I didn't hear that it was LE who got all VH's social account info and not John Ray.
Where did you get that info from?

 

[x_files]

lol, let me try again.

The press conference was about VH's violent art and the similarities to crime scenes from her childhood and even before she was born. The crimes are alledged done by her father.

Now, Tierney in a "doth protest too much," way indicates that murders are around times Asa leaves town. This pattern so far holds, but he does not have receipts that Asa was out of town the entire time that victims were missing.

I had made the point that even if the family knows nothing that they can identify the relevance of, they know things that LE knows the relevance of. Such as the new tire hypothetical.

John Ray has questioned the bizarrely adamant support by LE for the narrative that the family are not witnesses. LE can just be neutral. They can say the family is cooperating and giving us all the information that they have. They should mention the travel patterns, because it could make any witness remember something. But they don't need to do say more than there are no other suspects at this time.

John Ray previously has rather thoroughly debunked that Asa knew nothing about swinging. In addition, Asa was home when something criminal was happening to Karen Vergata, it appears. This does not mean Asa committed a crime or recognized that she witnessed one. Asa could have over-rationalized it or over trusted Rex and the detective, just as the witness did. But, it removes the possibility that Asa is clueless.

Today, John Ray exposed VH interests and art. There were many themes that can't be coincidence. It is not just what young people are into. John Ray is inferring that this means VH knew explicitly, although I don't make the same inference. I think it may be any number of things including VH being extremely drawn to LISK and not knowing why. It can be as horrid as her witnessing things she has painted, even by sneaking into the verboten torture room after school but before Dad got home.

In any case, she knows something. Whether it is a feeling she got when Dad saw her art, or what she walked into home from the first grade, and is forever burned in her memory, she has something. John Ray has shown us that.

John Ray is a hero in this case. So I hesitate to say this. It is true, but please do NOT use it to twist my words into anything to suggest that he is one of the few people bucking a huge power bloc and moving this case forward. I for one do not think that hairs at crime scenes, wrapped babies, multiple hair nets or art depicting murder, torture, rape and dismemberment point to a supportive role in crimes. But it is just my opinion. Because of John Ray we have data and information to develop theories and work leads. I don't have to agree with all the inferences made by John Ray to deeply appreciate all of the information we have only because of him.

MOO


Edited to add the less subtle detail:

Yeah. The family is making more than a million on this case. Peacock deal.

MOO

Thank you for your post.
You said it more eloquently than I could.

 

[Ruminations]

The only purpose of the presser, imo, is to pressure Rex's family into providing information that could lead to more victims. Other than that, I don't see what the point was.

jmo

I guess...you think it wouldn't be a good thing to find more victims?

I think it would be excellent if Rex's family helped bring justice for more families.

MOO