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Dateline. Along came Jodi. I had not seen these. Interesting way to pass the time, until tomorrow.
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Thanks so much Tulessa! Been waiting for these!
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We are back in the courtroom . . . JA is looking through papers - wearing short sleeved white blouse w/v neck.
JW is again looking @ her phone nd texting? . . . JA is lookin on . . .
Judge overseeing courtroom . . . JA is drawing a line down center of her legal pad . . .
stand for the jury
JW is again looking @ her phone nd texting? . . . JA is lookin on . . .
Judge overseeing courtroom . . . JA is drawing a line down center of her legal pad . . .
stand for the jury
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Nearly 11am . . . no jurors raised hands during Judge's questions of hearing/seeing trial . .. Juror #5 has not contacted any of them.
JM w/ALV /. . . .44 hrs spent w/JA . . no requirement that there actually be an interview with anyone . . .re: #558 - started talking about . . .how she defined DV . ..the continuum . .. sheet of paper use as part of presentation @ beginning of JW's questioning and it was used on Thurs . . . cross exam @ very end . . JW was using chart "as part" of alV
s assessment of cases for abuse . . . she doesn't really use any specific thing to assess - she uses a range of things . . . used in this case? . . . taking an oath? yes
this exhibit- continuum of aggression and abuse
it was used as an explanation
Judge - can answer yes or no
Alv - doesn't feel complete to just answer y/no
template used during questioning by JW @ end of your testimony with her
I don't use it as diagnostic exclusive @ all . . . use it in trainings - gives a more complete range of behaviors in DV and pattern of aggeression - even in families that don't have DV.
used in this case presented to jury?
yes
used in assessment of ja?
not partricularly
if doesn't apply to this case why use it?
it apllies to the case.
I don't just dump a diagnosis . . it is a framework to look @ to see what happening in the relationship
nothing in #558 applies as part of your assessment in this case
I answered a range of behavior and I used it in this case
assessment used this
by a certain degree
can refer to #558
in a limited way - sure . . .you can
in this case you went thru answers to questions - talked first column to the end
all the columns -yes I did
Snow white whether not a battered women? yes or no
We spent a lot of time on Snow white
did I ask if spent a lot time?
judge - answer the question
yes
keynote address in 2010 - discussed issues whether or not this applied to Snow White?
no I did not
you were Keynote?
Snow white a battered woman?
Catchy title - delivered keynote speech?
not true is it . . . not the keynote @that conference
I don't have my CV with me . . . if you are trying to trick me into another year . .. trick me
Mam - let's take a look @ you CV . . . JM is scrambling looking for papers
exhibit #596 - true and accurate copy of that page . . . part of that page
admit #596
objection? . . . we would object unless entire CV gets in
approach please.
JM w/ALV /. . . .44 hrs spent w/JA . . no requirement that there actually be an interview with anyone . . .re: #558 - started talking about . . .how she defined DV . ..the continuum . .. sheet of paper use as part of presentation @ beginning of JW's questioning and it was used on Thurs . . . cross exam @ very end . . JW was using chart "as part" of alV
s assessment of cases for abuse . . . she doesn't really use any specific thing to assess - she uses a range of things . . . used in this case? . . . taking an oath? yes
this exhibit- continuum of aggression and abuse
it was used as an explanation
Judge - can answer yes or no
Alv - doesn't feel complete to just answer y/no
template used during questioning by JW @ end of your testimony with her
I don't use it as diagnostic exclusive @ all . . . use it in trainings - gives a more complete range of behaviors in DV and pattern of aggeression - even in families that don't have DV.
used in this case presented to jury?
yes
used in assessment of ja?
not partricularly
if doesn't apply to this case why use it?
it apllies to the case.
I don't just dump a diagnosis . . it is a framework to look @ to see what happening in the relationship
nothing in #558 applies as part of your assessment in this case
I answered a range of behavior and I used it in this case
assessment used this
by a certain degree
can refer to #558
in a limited way - sure . . .you can
in this case you went thru answers to questions - talked first column to the end
all the columns -yes I did
Snow white whether not a battered women? yes or no
We spent a lot of time on Snow white
did I ask if spent a lot time?
judge - answer the question
yes
keynote address in 2010 - discussed issues whether or not this applied to Snow White?
no I did not
you were Keynote?
Snow white a battered woman?
Catchy title - delivered keynote speech?
not true is it . . . not the keynote @that conference
I don't have my CV with me . . . if you are trying to trick me into another year . .. trick me
Mam - let's take a look @ you CV . . . JM is scrambling looking for papers
exhibit #596 - true and accurate copy of that page . . . part of that page
admit #596
objection? . . . we would object unless entire CV gets in
approach please.
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JM pulling out a syllabus of that particular conference - ALV has indicated she was the keynote speaker @ that conference . ..
JM asks her to take a look @ syllabus - presented by ICAN - in Las Angeles - this is a class schedule not a syllabus for the conference.
move for admission of this class schedule
JW objects
approach the bench
JM asks her to take a look @ syllabus - presented by ICAN - in Las Angeles - this is a class schedule not a syllabus for the conference.
move for admission of this class schedule
JW objects
approach the bench
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Exhibit #597 - shows you were not keynote speaker? . .
I was in Las Vegas .
we are talking about Los Angeles
there were keynote breakouts . . . I was a keynote breakout not the plenary(sic?)
keynote breakout . . .
exhibit #596 does it say keynote breakout addresses
I put keynote breakouts . .
you put this exhibit together . . . yes
you in charge of what goes into it? . .
keynote breakouts are listed as keynotes - I am not trying to misrepresent mysef if that what you are implying I am doing Mr. Martinez
admit #597 - take a look - page #1 and #2
talks about ICAN - Nexxus conference - 9:30 to 11:00 = keynote speaker - Catherine S. Connell - you name is not on there
you said you delivered a speech in the plenary section
no
does it say keynote breakout?
no
you are speaking in studio #3
you are implying I lie about what I do - I don't lie about what Ido
you say you were the keynote speaker on this Was Snow White a Battered Woman? . . . #596 - CV accurate when it says you were a keynote speaker? . . I was keynote breakout according to Deanne M? . .. the director or ICAN.
indicate really don't need to use #558 when you are reaching your decision
it is a frame of mind . . .. I think you misrepresent what I say Mr. Martinez . . in a global term . . I think in those terms . .. . do I think in a specific way and it is in my head and on a piece of paper.
with regard to this particular continuum . . did you use it or not in making assessment in this case?
did I use it all? because of what is in my head? I used my way of thinking - which is in my head.
you didn't write a report in this case?
no I did not
didn't put anything in writing
in your approach you are not required to talk to someone . . .not required by whom?
your approach - no require to talk to anybody to make assessment
I was limited
your approach does not require you to talk to or interview anyone before you reach conclusion?
that is not how I generally work - generally do interviews.
Shatanya Lei (Lay?) . . . read what they wrote - not required by your approach to talk to anyone.
not my approach and what I am able to review by what I am given
you were able to come in and give an opinion without talking to Shatanya lei and TA . . .
relationship.
didn't speak to either of them
you did give us opinion
I gave an opinion in context and I believe that is important
that context did not involve talking to either party in th conversation
true
texts or IM's to Shatanya Lei or between her and Travis
range of dates . .. thousands of documents
you had opinion on Thursday . . . you told us she was vulnerable - in terms of their relationship
there were a range of dates - if you refresh my recollection . . .
which part she was vulnerable
you said she was vulnerable when she wrote IM's or texts
in 2008 during period of time . . . . toward end of TA's those IM's stopped
it was a written pieces of paper . .
how many pieces o paper did you look @ before form opinion of Shatanya Lei/
I look @ the entire context - based on more that one . . .numerous sheets of paper it was based on.
in these kinds of cases 90% of communication is not verbal
I said in communication - when people are looking @ each other face to face - no info about facebook, gmail . . . in face to face communication . . .
in clinical world 90% of all communication is non-verbal
I explained how I meant that Mr. Martinez
JA and JW whispering together
exhibit #598 - see if those words came out of your mouth
I don't doubt those words
read it
I was in Las Vegas .
we are talking about Los Angeles
there were keynote breakouts . . . I was a keynote breakout not the plenary(sic?)
keynote breakout . . .
exhibit #596 does it say keynote breakout addresses
I put keynote breakouts . .
you put this exhibit together . . . yes
you in charge of what goes into it? . .
keynote breakouts are listed as keynotes - I am not trying to misrepresent mysef if that what you are implying I am doing Mr. Martinez
admit #597 - take a look - page #1 and #2
talks about ICAN - Nexxus conference - 9:30 to 11:00 = keynote speaker - Catherine S. Connell - you name is not on there
you said you delivered a speech in the plenary section
no
does it say keynote breakout?
no
you are speaking in studio #3
you are implying I lie about what I do - I don't lie about what Ido
you say you were the keynote speaker on this Was Snow White a Battered Woman? . . . #596 - CV accurate when it says you were a keynote speaker? . . I was keynote breakout according to Deanne M? . .. the director or ICAN.
indicate really don't need to use #558 when you are reaching your decision
it is a frame of mind . . .. I think you misrepresent what I say Mr. Martinez . . in a global term . . I think in those terms . .. . do I think in a specific way and it is in my head and on a piece of paper.
with regard to this particular continuum . . did you use it or not in making assessment in this case?
did I use it all? because of what is in my head? I used my way of thinking - which is in my head.
you didn't write a report in this case?
no I did not
didn't put anything in writing
in your approach you are not required to talk to someone . . .not required by whom?
your approach - no require to talk to anybody to make assessment
I was limited
your approach does not require you to talk to or interview anyone before you reach conclusion?
that is not how I generally work - generally do interviews.
Shatanya Lei (Lay?) . . . read what they wrote - not required by your approach to talk to anyone.
not my approach and what I am able to review by what I am given
you were able to come in and give an opinion without talking to Shatanya lei and TA . . .
relationship.
didn't speak to either of them
you did give us opinion
I gave an opinion in context and I believe that is important
that context did not involve talking to either party in th conversation
true
texts or IM's to Shatanya Lei or between her and Travis
range of dates . .. thousands of documents
you had opinion on Thursday . . . you told us she was vulnerable - in terms of their relationship
there were a range of dates - if you refresh my recollection . . .
which part she was vulnerable
you said she was vulnerable when she wrote IM's or texts
in 2008 during period of time . . . . toward end of TA's those IM's stopped
it was a written pieces of paper . .
how many pieces o paper did you look @ before form opinion of Shatanya Lei/
I look @ the entire context - based on more that one . . .numerous sheets of paper it was based on.
in these kinds of cases 90% of communication is not verbal
I said in communication - when people are looking @ each other face to face - no info about facebook, gmail . . . in face to face communication . . .
in clinical world 90% of all communication is non-verbal
I explained how I meant that Mr. Martinez
JA and JW whispering together
exhibit #598 - see if those words came out of your mouth
I don't doubt those words
read it
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ALV going over the exhibit #598 with JM . . . I don't know in all the world but in the clinical world 90% of all communication is non-verbal.
if we apply that to the conversation between Chaitanya Lay and TA . . . you are 90% wrong - no non-verbal communication
that is quite an extrapolation Mr. Martinez . . . no . . . in communication face to face but in written communiation not the same
but you cannot see their faces . . . you are just looking @ their word -
you can tell a lot from written word - in many many texts and communications that is what I had to go on . . .pretty straight forward
you are a human lie detector?
gosh I didn't think I was saying that
you are assuming that TA and Chaitanya are telling the truth
part of context of behaviors . . . not an isolated situation it is all aobut pattern in relationship
you are talking about reading
yes I m reading the printed word
I am going to pass judgement on what is going on in this particular conversation witout talking to anyone about what is going on . . . Chaitanya lee you talked to her?
no . . . it is about patterns and context
it could be meant as a joke by Ms. Lay and you wouldn't know because you couldn't see the faces wouldn't you agree?
she stopped communicating with him when he started talking about suicide
she stopped communicating by text - you don't know they didn't talk by telephone
he pressed for more communication in text
you are restrictd by written word . . . remember Regan Housely?
one or 2 communications?
one of them 18 pages long
you said she was vulnerable on May 18,2008?
show me that and recollect the date- but I read thousands of pages .
reference . .. time reference in this email
objection- foundation
approach
if we apply that to the conversation between Chaitanya Lay and TA . . . you are 90% wrong - no non-verbal communication
that is quite an extrapolation Mr. Martinez . . . no . . . in communication face to face but in written communiation not the same
but you cannot see their faces . . . you are just looking @ their word -
you can tell a lot from written word - in many many texts and communications that is what I had to go on . . .pretty straight forward
you are a human lie detector?
gosh I didn't think I was saying that
you are assuming that TA and Chaitanya are telling the truth
part of context of behaviors . . . not an isolated situation it is all aobut pattern in relationship
you are talking about reading
yes I m reading the printed word
I am going to pass judgement on what is going on in this particular conversation witout talking to anyone about what is going on . . . Chaitanya lee you talked to her?
no . . . it is about patterns and context
it could be meant as a joke by Ms. Lay and you wouldn't know because you couldn't see the faces wouldn't you agree?
she stopped communicating with him when he started talking about suicide
she stopped communicating by text - you don't know they didn't talk by telephone
he pressed for more communication in text
you are restrictd by written word . . . remember Regan Housely?
one or 2 communications?
one of them 18 pages long
you said she was vulnerable on May 18,2008?
show me that and recollect the date- but I read thousands of pages .
reference . .. time reference in this email
objection- foundation
approach
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Does this help your recollection?
no it does not - without looking @ all the communication I cannot tell you she was vulnerable in that specific text . .. right around this time there were a ton of messages . . . can't say if it is in that specific one
you said she was vulnerable?
she was anorexic
she was vulnerable
objection
approach
no it does not - without looking @ all the communication I cannot tell you she was vulnerable in that specific text . .. right around this time there were a ton of messages . . . can't say if it is in that specific one
you said she was vulnerable?
she was anorexic
she was vulnerable
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Ms. Housely said she was anorexic . . . she had been . . she was vulnerable.
TA was asking for photos. . . not nudes
close to naked I think- bikini shots
with one he was asking for close to naked I can't remember if that was Ragen Housely or not . . . he askin for bikinis
what came up was TA's stalker and events discussing the stalking were discussed
yes
previously when asked by JW I see no evidence of stalking
I still don't - stalking is a different ballgame - creates fear in person being stalked . . don't see that in TA . .
isn't it true TA was extremely fearful in that conversation
I don't get that . . . . I don't get in 1 incident but a pattern of behaviors or thoughts
you believed her when she said she was anorexic
I did along with a lot of body image comments
TA is saying in those messags about his cardinal desire
based upon much information not just one communication with one woman
but you are beliving it aren't you
I am
you are picking and chosing what to believe and what not to believe
whether you believe it or not _ isn"t it true written communiation of a message directed toward the defendant
ta IS saying that to Ms. Housely - he asks her to and she complies
and he also types something right?
I am not sur about that
this is the conversation that you used that said he was flirtatious . .
I need to review . . . . you are talking about a specific date - let me mark it for you - it does have the date on top - my writing disregard it. . .
exhibit #600
issue whether or not indicstion in that message whether TA is being flirtatious . .
do you want me to read all 18 pgs?
read it to see if TA and ms. Housley were being flirtatious with each other
(we are 2 min from noon here folks . . . do we need to have her read it over lunch?)
TA was asking for photos. . . not nudes
close to naked I think- bikini shots
with one he was asking for close to naked I can't remember if that was Ragen Housely or not . . . he askin for bikinis
what came up was TA's stalker and events discussing the stalking were discussed
yes
previously when asked by JW I see no evidence of stalking
I still don't - stalking is a different ballgame - creates fear in person being stalked . . don't see that in TA . .
isn't it true TA was extremely fearful in that conversation
I don't get that . . . . I don't get in 1 incident but a pattern of behaviors or thoughts
you believed her when she said she was anorexic
I did along with a lot of body image comments
TA is saying in those messags about his cardinal desire
based upon much information not just one communication with one woman
but you are beliving it aren't you
I am
you are picking and chosing what to believe and what not to believe
whether you believe it or not _ isn"t it true written communiation of a message directed toward the defendant
ta IS saying that to Ms. Housely - he asks her to and she complies
and he also types something right?
I am not sur about that
this is the conversation that you used that said he was flirtatious . .
I need to review . . . . you are talking about a specific date - let me mark it for you - it does have the date on top - my writing disregard it. . .
exhibit #600
issue whether or not indicstion in that message whether TA is being flirtatious . .
do you want me to read all 18 pgs?
read it to see if TA and ms. Housley were being flirtatious with each other
(we are 2 min from noon here folks . . . do we need to have her read it over lunch?)
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Indications of flirtatious aspect of their relationship . . .
related to culpability and the photographs
you told that to us last Thursday
based upon context
you have chosen to believe they are being flirtatious
they are talking about *advertiser censored*, libido, and sex
you chose to believe she is anorexic
she states that
you chose to belive it
yes I did believe - recovering anorexic
he asked for a photograph
yes
you now know that
I didn't see tht
issue of the stalking
you have chosen not to believe TA when he says because of defendant's extreme stalking behavior he is extremely afraid of her
he has written he is afraid
you have chosen not to believe TA in this conversation which may or may not be in mid or end of May . . .he was extremely afraid of the defendant because of her stalking behaviors
that is not the only reason why I chose not to belive him
I guess I did chose not to believe him - not simply because of this but because of other information. . ..
answer yes?
yes with a qualifier
take afternoon lunch
be ack @ 1:25
JA talking intently wither atty JW
JA very close to JW - whispering in her ear . . . lots of discussion with both of them
ALV may step down - counsel anything else?
all approach
related to culpability and the photographs
you told that to us last Thursday
based upon context
you have chosen to believe they are being flirtatious
they are talking about *advertiser censored*, libido, and sex
you chose to believe she is anorexic
she states that
you chose to belive it
yes I did believe - recovering anorexic
he asked for a photograph
yes
you now know that
I didn't see tht
issue of the stalking
you have chosen not to believe TA when he says because of defendant's extreme stalking behavior he is extremely afraid of her
he has written he is afraid
you have chosen not to believe TA in this conversation which may or may not be in mid or end of May . . .he was extremely afraid of the defendant because of her stalking behaviors
that is not the only reason why I chose not to belive him
I guess I did chose not to believe him - not simply because of this but because of other information. . ..
answer yes?
yes with a qualifier
take afternoon lunch
be ack @ 1:25
JA talking intently wither atty JW
JA very close to JW - whispering in her ear . . . lots of discussion with both of them
ALV may step down - counsel anything else?
all approach
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Made some judgements on Denise - she was vulnerable and there was some flirtation . . .
not sure said she was vulnerable . . .don't recall - may have said that . . .spoke about it on Thursday . . . . don't remember if said she was vulnerable or most f the women were.
Nicole flirtatious, Michelle - she was vulnerable . . . .krishelle was vulnerable but not a Michelle.
able to make these judgements without speaking to any of them
I have gone repeated contexts with their conversations with Mr. Alexander
Snow White - woman was being battered . .. we talked about that
not sure what you mean on the correlation
you presented on it
I talked about gender and used Snow White as a catchy title . . .the speech was about gender and empowering . . .the jury may need to see whole video . . .a part of lookin @ gender impact of gender on DV, and what people learn about gender and DV . . . if you take it in context . . .
did you look @ Snow White as being a battered woman
I looked @ her growing up
you didn't present her as a battered woman
you take it out of context
you were there
I was there and it was enjoyed by many people . . .I picked the title along with a lot of people who were there and helped . . . .I picked the title. .
did you reach a conclusion or address Snow White was a battered woman
Iaddressed issue of Snow White growin up and being trained to go into a relationship that is of violence.
you made that presentation = you were there ... even though you never spoke to anybody involved in the Snow White tale
I didn't speak to Snow White or 7 dwarfs .. . .
Denise, Krishelle, Ragen, Chaitanya, Maria . . .
you used you brain in terms of . . . . you didn't use exhibit #598
I did use it in part
part of presentation?
it came from my own mind . . . my trained brain
your thught process?
you thought about it . . . but didn't use #558
I am confused
your trained brain incorporated #558 but didn't look @ it specifically just thought about it
I probably looked @ it to . . . it's in my head . . .when I discussed it with the jury I used the paper.
I had it up and I know it well enough to discuss it to continue to discuss it
same guide whether in you brain or on paper - same guide . . . you have this continuum and you experiences
I have the total context of what I am looking at
no I am asking what you bring to the table not what the table has to give you
your bring your experience = no standard to point to on screen or paper this expert found this standard . .
untrue my standard is published, . . in Canada and published in 2 other books . .
that is your standard #558 you go by?
that is one tool I use
your approach is subjective what you believe
I try to use as much evidence as I can . . . probably not anymore subjective than a police officer - you take the evidence that you have and weigh that evidence - I don't believe anyone has a purely objective view . . . if you are police officer you bring that to the table, DNA evidence bring it to . . .
are you in expert in DNA?
no but I have read
terms of a sample that is not biodegraded . .. . . in terms of low side you get a profile
in DNA tests you get a profile
I don't know -
if don't know why talk about dna biodegraded sample
your approach doesn't have certainty to allow someone else to go back and reach same results you would
I don't know
is it like DNA or blood test approach?
no
are you familiar with what psychologists
in terms of testing
You are here for forensics expert
I am here as domestic violence expert
are you familiar with job a psychologist does?
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not sure said she was vulnerable . . .don't recall - may have said that . . .spoke about it on Thursday . . . . don't remember if said she was vulnerable or most f the women were.
Nicole flirtatious, Michelle - she was vulnerable . . . .krishelle was vulnerable but not a Michelle.
able to make these judgements without speaking to any of them
I have gone repeated contexts with their conversations with Mr. Alexander
Snow White - woman was being battered . .. we talked about that
not sure what you mean on the correlation
you presented on it
I talked about gender and used Snow White as a catchy title . . .the speech was about gender and empowering . . .the jury may need to see whole video . . .a part of lookin @ gender impact of gender on DV, and what people learn about gender and DV . . . if you take it in context . . .
did you look @ Snow White as being a battered woman
I looked @ her growing up
you didn't present her as a battered woman
you take it out of context
you were there
I was there and it was enjoyed by many people . . .I picked the title along with a lot of people who were there and helped . . . .I picked the title. .
did you reach a conclusion or address Snow White was a battered woman
Iaddressed issue of Snow White growin up and being trained to go into a relationship that is of violence.
you made that presentation = you were there ... even though you never spoke to anybody involved in the Snow White tale
I didn't speak to Snow White or 7 dwarfs .. . .
Denise, Krishelle, Ragen, Chaitanya, Maria . . .
you used you brain in terms of . . . . you didn't use exhibit #598
I did use it in part
part of presentation?
it came from my own mind . . . my trained brain
your thught process?
you thought about it . . . but didn't use #558
I am confused
your trained brain incorporated #558 but didn't look @ it specifically just thought about it
I probably looked @ it to . . . it's in my head . . .when I discussed it with the jury I used the paper.
I had it up and I know it well enough to discuss it to continue to discuss it
same guide whether in you brain or on paper - same guide . . . you have this continuum and you experiences
I have the total context of what I am looking at
no I am asking what you bring to the table not what the table has to give you
your bring your experience = no standard to point to on screen or paper this expert found this standard . .
untrue my standard is published, . . in Canada and published in 2 other books . .
that is your standard #558 you go by?
that is one tool I use
your approach is subjective what you believe
I try to use as much evidence as I can . . . probably not anymore subjective than a police officer - you take the evidence that you have and weigh that evidence - I don't believe anyone has a purely objective view . . . if you are police officer you bring that to the table, DNA evidence bring it to . . .
are you in expert in DNA?
no but I have read
terms of a sample that is not biodegraded . .. . . in terms of low side you get a profile
in DNA tests you get a profile
I don't know -
if don't know why talk about dna biodegraded sample
your approach doesn't have certainty to allow someone else to go back and reach same results you would
I don't know
is it like DNA or blood test approach?
no
are you familiar with what psychologists
in terms of testing
You are here for forensics expert
I am here as domestic violence expert
are you familiar with job a psychologist does?
objection
approach
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Difference between what I do and psychologists do is testing . . .
are you a counselor?
I am a psychotherapist by profession
you don't do any testing - can't take a look @ raw data - no one else could do testing all we can do is read what you have read and heard.
testing can be subjective too . .
not an expert in testing
no
haven't had the schooling that would allow you to make the statements on the testing . . . left for others with a higher degree that you?
sure
basically you sit down and hear what they say and look @ what they have written - believe written or spoken word
not true . . . believe both or not both . . I have turned down cases
you chose to believe or not what you think
no depending on the evidence
if you chose to believe someone - someone else could disbelieve them
yes that is possible
I read a lot of interviews, read a lot of collateral sources
you did read a lot - you talked to one person and came to your conclusion - we agree
you opinion cannot be verified that we are talking about today
cannot be verified?
correct - cant put it in to a computer and come up with what it is . .
I don't know - I m not good with computers . . . .FBI profilers can put data into a computer and come out with a lot of info . . .don't know where you want me to go with this . . .
do you know if profile can be used in court?
don't know
opinion of the profiler . . .just what the profiler is thinking
you can't input information into a computer and come up with the name of the person who committed crime
I don't know . . .I am not one of those people - I am not a computer whiz.
no way your approach would put into a computer
I really don't know
profiler . . . you brought that up as example
you keep talking about context . . .really important in determine whether you make an assessment
exhibit #444 - series of text messages between Michelle K and TA wanting to know what Michelle K provided to the defendant.
Objection what is the date . . . the text messages are dated
that is improper - if she doesn't understand
Judge may we approach
you may
are you a counselor?
I am a psychotherapist by profession
you don't do any testing - can't take a look @ raw data - no one else could do testing all we can do is read what you have read and heard.
testing can be subjective too . .
not an expert in testing
no
haven't had the schooling that would allow you to make the statements on the testing . . . left for others with a higher degree that you?
sure
basically you sit down and hear what they say and look @ what they have written - believe written or spoken word
not true . . . believe both or not both . . I have turned down cases
you chose to believe or not what you think
no depending on the evidence
if you chose to believe someone - someone else could disbelieve them
yes that is possible
I read a lot of interviews, read a lot of collateral sources
you did read a lot - you talked to one person and came to your conclusion - we agree
you opinion cannot be verified that we are talking about today
cannot be verified?
correct - cant put it in to a computer and come up with what it is . .
I don't know - I m not good with computers . . . .FBI profilers can put data into a computer and come out with a lot of info . . .don't know where you want me to go with this . . .
do you know if profile can be used in court?
don't know
opinion of the profiler . . .just what the profiler is thinking
you can't input information into a computer and come up with the name of the person who committed crime
I don't know . . .I am not one of those people - I am not a computer whiz.
no way your approach would put into a computer
I really don't know
profiler . . . you brought that up as example
you keep talking about context . . .really important in determine whether you make an assessment
exhibit #444 - series of text messages between Michelle K and TA wanting to know what Michelle K provided to the defendant.
Objection what is the date . . . the text messages are dated
that is improper - if she doesn't understand
Judge may we approach
you may
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The name is not correct . . .
based upon information told to me
someone else could come up with a different determination
on the name
I suppose
on which name is accurate
a B/S story - someone came over to Groovy Tuesday - woman came up to defendant and told her TA had been having relationship with Lisa Andrews. . . . .your wrote it down in your notes and decided the story was true.
that was not a real significant piece of information .. .
significant enough to write it down
I write notes to myself . . .
accurate as possibly can
yes
something strikes you - you write down . . . if important enough to write down
context . . . where she worked?
Ruby Tuesdays
some person gives her story . . .
a woman named Maria or Marie . . . her last name not significant
we have Michelle and Alayna . . . .
I have name Marie . . .
3 potential different names given to TA?
I don't think Marie was given I think he said Michelle
that would be a lie?
no
I am not sure what you are saying . .. could be a mistake could be Michelle and he meant Marie . .
you just gave a example of why you don't just rely on writing right?
I think that I rely . . . if I have preponderance of writing . . . . I read an email from his sister, his writing, things he wrote I had opportunity to read
are you done with your answer?
yes
illustrated one of the flaws reading what is reading
a name came be different?
you were saying a mistake for Mr. Alexander
I said he could have
mistake was his not the defendant's
I don't know if the name was so important . . . marie, michelle . . . don't know why so important to you frankly
judge will you admonish the witness?
just answer the question don't add
only if you rely on 1 written word
mistakes can be made in the writing
yes
you just demonstrated it when you said it could have been a mistake . . . why chose TA as the one making a mistake
I didn't say he did . . .it wasn't a key issue
my question why couldn't it have been the defendant that could have made mistake or lied
I could say that to you now if you like
Could you please admonish the defendant?
overruled
you have a bias against TA
no I don't
your fall back was TA made a mistake
you miscarchterize what I say . . .I did say TA could have made a mistake
you are familiar with Matthew McCartney
yes
how the defendant found out MM involved with another individual . . . Bianca . . . how JA came to know about Bianca and what she did in response to that?
not how she came to know but what she did
she was working @ Applebees and while working there two girls came in
Objection
Approach!!!
running to the bench (JW)
based upon information told to me
someone else could come up with a different determination
on the name
I suppose
on which name is accurate
a B/S story - someone came over to Groovy Tuesday - woman came up to defendant and told her TA had been having relationship with Lisa Andrews. . . . .your wrote it down in your notes and decided the story was true.
that was not a real significant piece of information .. .
significant enough to write it down
I write notes to myself . . .
accurate as possibly can
yes
something strikes you - you write down . . . if important enough to write down
context . . . where she worked?
Ruby Tuesdays
some person gives her story . . .
a woman named Maria or Marie . . . her last name not significant
we have Michelle and Alayna . . . .
I have name Marie . . .
3 potential different names given to TA?
I don't think Marie was given I think he said Michelle
that would be a lie?
no
I am not sure what you are saying . .. could be a mistake could be Michelle and he meant Marie . .
you just gave a example of why you don't just rely on writing right?
I think that I rely . . . if I have preponderance of writing . . . . I read an email from his sister, his writing, things he wrote I had opportunity to read
are you done with your answer?
yes
illustrated one of the flaws reading what is reading
a name came be different?
you were saying a mistake for Mr. Alexander
I said he could have
mistake was his not the defendant's
I don't know if the name was so important . . . marie, michelle . . . don't know why so important to you frankly
judge will you admonish the witness?
just answer the question don't add
only if you rely on 1 written word
mistakes can be made in the writing
yes
you just demonstrated it when you said it could have been a mistake . . . why chose TA as the one making a mistake
I didn't say he did . . .it wasn't a key issue
my question why couldn't it have been the defendant that could have made mistake or lied
I could say that to you now if you like
Could you please admonish the defendant?
overruled
you have a bias against TA
no I don't
your fall back was TA made a mistake
you miscarchterize what I say . . .I did say TA could have made a mistake
you are familiar with Matthew McCartney
yes
how the defendant found out MM involved with another individual . . . Bianca . . . how JA came to know about Bianca and what she did in response to that?
not how she came to know but what she did
she was working @ Applebees and while working there two girls came in
Objection
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Please take a look @ this testimony . . . dated ?/20/13. . . exhibit #601
please read it . .
I don't have the answer
please read it
she was working @ Applebees . . . .2 women came in there and told her MM was dating Bianca . . . JA has 4 relationships (significant) Bobby, MM, Daryl B, and TA . . . doesn't it sound funny that half of them are when someone comes into her work to tell her?
objection may we approach with a transcript?
yes
please read it . .
I don't have the answer
please read it
she was working @ Applebees . . . .2 women came in there and told her MM was dating Bianca . . . JA has 4 relationships (significant) Bobby, MM, Daryl B, and TA . . . doesn't it sound funny that half of them are when someone comes into her work to tell her?
objection may we approach with a transcript?
yes