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sillybilly said:
I disagree with "LM's inability to organize". IMO, he was very organized in the planning and carrying out of this murder (promoting the video, acquiring necessary tools/equipment/packaging, disposal of body parts .. although somewhat inept, arranging overseas flight, etc.) In his online personae, he knew at all times what sites were discussing his kitten vids and what was being said; he had the ability to keep track of his varied and numerous user IDs and maintain whichever persona he affixed to a particular ID, etc etc

IF we are talking "organized" vs "disorganized" as it relates to a perp profile, he fits into the "organized" classification, otherwise we'd have seen a disorganized slash & dash type of kill without all the planning and adherence to plan that LRM exhibited.

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I absolutely agree SB. You provided a much more clear explanation of what I was attempting to communicate.

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sillybilly said:
I disagree with "LM's inability to organize". IMO, he was very organized in the planning and carrying out of this murder (promoting the video, acquiring necessary tools/equipment/packaging, disposal of body parts .. although somewhat inept, arranging overseas flight, etc.) In his online personae, he knew at all times what sites were discussing his kitten vids and what was being said; he had the ability to keep track of his varied and numerous user IDs and maintain whichever persona he affixed to a particular ID, etc etc

IF we are talking "organized" vs "disorganized" as it relates to a perp profile, he fits into the "organized" classification, otherwise we'd have seen a disorganized slash & dash type of kill without all the planning and adherence to plan that LRM exhibited.

JMO
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IA with your assessment if it's defined this way. I think where I may have confused and not explained myself is that I think he is disorganized because though he planned and planned, he left behind a trail of clues, a torso, a bunch of transparent clues he was the killer, kept using his own cell phone while on the run, and ultimately did not plan very well to get away with the crime (probably due to feelings of invincibility). So, organized? Yes, he planned, but did he plan well? Not really. I do suppose there's a chance he meant to do everything he did that left clues, but I don't think he meant to leave them to the extent that he would get caught, and so quickly at that.
 
HastingsChi said:
Pure Speculation by me but based on the evidence and knowledge, I think that he was crying and vomiting on the plane due to suffering from the symptoms of withdrawal from narcotics.

It really bothers me that Magnotta was so:
Organized.
Comfortable strolling around town with fresh human remains.
Competent in categorically completing his pre/post murder to-do list.
Heck if the garbage men just did their job he might not have been located for years...
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Narcotics withdrawal would be much more evident. He's be curled up, shaking, sweating, and would have explosive diahrrea (sp?). Actually, lower GI symptoms are more common and much worse than upper GI symptoms. Plus you are probably drug free for 24-72 hours (closer to 72) before getting to that point. I just see no indication anywhere that he was a junkie.
 
So, organized? Yes, he planned, but did he plan well? Not really. I do suppose there's a chance he meant to do everything he did that left clues, but I don't think he meant to leave them to the extent that he would get caught, and so quickly at that.
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IMO he definitely planned. He tried to dance the tightrope of casting suspicion on himself while trying to get away with it. Mind you, I think he thought he was much more clever then he was because the evidence is so overwhelming against him....so much so that it's a "no brainer". If one of your primary motivators for crime is the attention it will bring directly to you, you're not about to be meticulous in avoiding detection.
 
Mozzmo said:
IMO he definitely planned. He tried to dance the tightrope of casting suspicion on himself while trying to get away with it. Mind you, I think he thought he was much more clever then he was because the evidence is so overwhelming against him....so much so that it's a "no brainer". If one of your primary motivators for crime is the attention it will bring directly to you, you're not about to be meticulous in avoiding detection.
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True! I sometimes forget (though I don't know how) how his attention-seeking played into planning and motivation.
 
Mozzmo said:
IMO he definitely planned. He tried to dance the tightrope of casting suspicion on himself while trying to get away with it. Mind you, I think he thought he was much more clever then he was because the evidence is so overwhelming against him....so much so that it's a "no brainer". If one of your primary motivators for crime is the attention it will bring directly to you, you're not about to be meticulous in avoiding detection.
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I agree. He never could have enjoyed his new fame by pretending not to be Luka Magnotta so as not to be caught :floorlaugh:
 
x_files said:
If he was on drugs (meth, speed) or is bi-polar mania would have given the energy. Also, adrenaline rush. yes, he is rather busy and premeditated everything. Organized killing vs an unorganized killing ie. drug induced Excited delirium (bath salt attack.)
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True, but did he take drugs to Paris & Berlin? If not, wouldn't he be having withdrawals? Perhaps he was having withdrawals.....sweating, crying (depression), vomiting, ..... and maybe more. Did he use the washroom on the plane?

Does anyone know if people 'withdraw' from bath salts? In the usual sense of the term 'withdrawals'.
 
I didn't mean that he wasn't organized.
In HIS own way he was.
And, yes, he planned but it wasn't a very good plan, was it.
His goal was to get attention. He did get it but if he would
have made a "better" plan he would have got alot more attention.

(I tried to write a longer version of this
but it just got messy...)

About sociopathy, where I come from we don't use that term much.
But I read they do in US for exampel.

Oh, and about the sockpuppets etc. He didn't seem to keep track of them.
Often he logged in and wrote one or two posts.
He abandoned most of them pretty quick, it seems.

My posts are always "IMO", I just don't write it all the time..
 
Hopefully this will give the victim's family additional closure; they have endured endless suffering due to the actions of a monster. They and the memory of Jun Lin will be in my thoughts and prayers.
 
Interesting that all the news outlets are referring to the head as human remains or remains. Haven't we already determined that it is in fact a head and was disclosed as such by at least one french report?
 
matou said:
Interesting that all the news outlets are referring to the head as human remains or remains. Haven't we already determined that it is in fact a head and was disclosed as such by at least one french report?
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Good question, although LE was never using the word head from the beginning.
Does seem a bit odd now, though.
 
matou said:
Interesting that all the news outlets are referring to the head as human remains or remains. Haven't we already determined that it is in fact a head and was disclosed as such by at least one french report?
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Yes it has been confirmed as the head. Most journalism style guides will encourage the use of "human remains" when an individual is associated whereas prior to identification there are reasons to refer to it as a "human head" "head" or similar identifying characteristics.
 
this news was expected, hopefully the Lin family will now be able to go home for some much needed rest and bring some closure amongst familiar surroundings.

For me ... I want to know where/who the "tip" came from?
 
matou said:
Interesting that all the news outlets are referring to the head as human remains or remains. Haven't we already determined that it is in fact a head and was disclosed as such by at least one french report?
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Yes I was thinking this also...
 
So how did LE find Lin Jun's head? If Luka revealed where it was, isn't he pretty much admitting his guilt? or will he pass that off to Manny/someone else? If a person walking their dog found the head, I would expect that to be info OK for the public to know and wouldn't hurt the investigation. I'm SOOOOO curious to know how LE found it.
 
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