Gun Control Debate #3

[EuTuCroquet?]

A good, thought-provoking read. (rbbm)

High school students, pushing for gun control, tell Tampa gathering: ‘This time it will be different’

http://www.tbo.com/news/education/k...ing-This-time-it-will-be-different-_165999589

There were outright apologies.

"I’m sorry that you all have to do this because we failed to do it," John Godwin told them. "It’s entirely unfair that as 14- or 16-year-olds, you have to take up this issue. Where can we help you?"

The students made it clear that as much as they appreciate encouragement from teachers and parents, this two-week-old movement belongs to them.

"We just really need you to back us up," said Safiyyah.

The 14-year-old Blake student, who hopes to be president one day, organized the pro-gun control rally on Feb. 23 that attracted hundreds of students at downtown Tampa’s Curtis Hixon Park.

She opened Friday’s session with the declaration, "The whole world is watching us right now. Students are speaking up and our voices are being heard. And we’re using that to our advantage and we’re going to go forward and make change. So yeah! Any questions?"

The three acknowledged the emotional toll of the Parkland shootings and the ensuing debate, including the possibility that teachers will be armed.

"Everybody’s definitely scared," Safiyyah said. "The day after we heard about the shooting there were a lot of people crying. I was really upset the whole entire day. I had a lot of emotional breakdowns and it didn’t even happen at my school."

 

[bluesneakers]

They might not care if they die but they care about taking as many with them as possible. That's why they hit soft targets. IMO

We don't ever hear about some crazy person storming the US Bullion Depository in Fort Knox.

Fort Knox Shooting, 1993: 3 dead

Fort Knox, 2013: Fort Knox civilian employee Lloyd Gilbert was shot dead in the parking lot outside the post's Army Human Resources Command building in April, 2013. A soldier stationed at the base, Marquinta E. Jacobs, was arrested in the killing.


Washington Navy Yard: 13 dead, 3 injured.

Ft. Hood, 2009: 14 dead, 33 injured

Ft. Hood, 2014: 4 dead, 12 injured

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Google reveals how America really feels about guns in two maps

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-gun-shop-map-2018-3

Google also found that many searches "focused around the AR15-type assault rifle, which has been used in a number of mass shooting incidents."

After the Sandy Hook massacre in December 2012, the surge in gun purchases was followed by an increase in accidental gun deaths. Gun manufacturer shares also soared after the Las Vegas shooting in October 2017 claimed 59 lives.

 

[human]

I'll answer the rbbm.

No.

I've traveled to places that most people wouldn't consider a vacation destination like Turkey and Colombia, with strict gun laws but still high crime areas. It's the bad people that have the guns. I can say I'm always happy when my feet hit American soil.

I don't CC but I'm around many people that do in south Louisiana and there is a certain comfort level about that. imo

My neighbor back in MN adopted two children from Colombia. He said he felt totally safe there. As a matter of fact, I see Columbia being touted as a vacation destination on travel sites such as Conde Nast.

I do not know about Turkey

I picked up a guy that was hitchhiking here. He was from the Netherlands and was going to the Middle East including Iran.

I asked him how that was possible. He said it was no problem because they love the Dutch, I forget what other countries .

I meet lots of European twenty some year olds who have around the world tickets on airlines. They get more vacation and it is paid so they are more adventuresome.

The US 20 somethings I meet are trust fund babies.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Lots and lots of info and state gun reform info here. It's a great link.

Unfortunately, Oklahoma is back-donkeywards, so I'm sharing that. I guess i'll just send my thoughts and prayers to everyone living there. /s

(rbbm)

Here are the gun control measures currently being debated by state legislatures

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/...currently-being-debated-by-state-legislatures

Oklahoma:

Ending licensing requirements: One of the few states to work on decreasing gun control after the Parkland shooting, three bills in the Oklahoma State House could end licensing and training requirements for handguns.

Arming teachers: Specifically introduced after the Parkland shooting.

 

[bluesneakers]

I'll answer the rbbm.

No.

I've traveled to places that most people wouldn't consider a vacation destination like Turkey and Colombia, with strict gun laws but still high crime areas. It's the bad people that have the guns. I can say I'm always happy when my feet hit American soil.

I don't CC but I'm around many people that do in south Louisiana and there is a certain comfort level about that. imo

You're more comfortable knowing a stranger somewhere near you might be carrying a gun you can't see?

To me that is scary. I don't know this person. Maybe he's the good guy with the gun, but maybe he's the bad guy with the gun. How am I supposed to know the difference?

 

[human]

Teachers make hundreds of decisions a day. They have to be several steps ahead of students. They have to evaluate who is understanding. What are kids feeling and doing.

If a gunman enters, he knows what he is doing. The teacher has to process the info. And get the gun.

Bang bang, You are dead.

Next scenario. Teacher has to roam the halls to find the shooter. What are the students doing? Even, you know. The high school ones that are too emotional to have an opinion.

https://everydayteacherstyle.com/2016/09/teachers-are-master-multi-taskers-but-we-already-knew-that/

 

[human]

The teacher with a gun wouldn’t necessarily have to do anything different. They could stay with the class, following the normal procedures. Just would have the ability to defend herself if it came to that.

The door is locked.

 

[Bernina]

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/01/589886655/trumps-tv-policy-musings-create-chaos-for-lawmakers

[h=1]Befuddled By Trump, Senate Will Not Vote On Gun Measures Next Week[/h]

Plans for a speedy Senate vote on gun legislation crumbled Thursday as Senate leaders announced plans to move on to long-planned banking legislation, while congressional Republicans struggle to make sense of President Trump's wishes on guns.

The lack of commitment is the surest sign yet that Congress does not plan to quickly address gun access, despite pressure from the White House and survivors of last month's deadly shooting at a Florida high school.

 

[Blef]

Teachers make hundreds of decisions a day. They have to be several steps ahead of students. They have to evaluate who is understanding. What are kids feeling and doing.

If a gunman enters, he knows what he is doing. The teacher has to process the info. And get the gun.

Bang bang, You are dead.

Next scenario. Teacher has to roam the halls to find the shooter. What are the students doing? Even, you know. The high school ones that are too emotional to have an opinion.

https://everydayteacherstyle.com/2016/09/teachers-are-master-multi-taskers-but-we-already-knew-that/

Especially the little ones, grades 1, 2, 3 etc. I couldn't leave those babies to go searching for a gunman.

 

[human]

Especially the little ones, grades 1, 2, 3 etc. I couldn't leave those babies to go searching for a gunman.

A teacher is responsible for students. If you left the classroom and something happened to a child, you could be sued for negligence.

A teacher carries insurance. But this is how ours worked.

While you are being sued, you pay the attorney, If you are found innocent, the insurance pays up.

Can you imagine the cost of sn attorney!

 

[Elley Mae]

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice gave the ladies of ABC’s “The View” a history lesson on Thursday as they discussed the Second Amendment.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/1/condoleezza-rice-defends-gun-rights-on-the-view-re/

Ms. Rice said that her father and his friends would fire their guns in the air when “night riders” with the KKK would come through the neighborhood.

 

[human]

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice gave the ladies of ABC’s “The View” a history lesson on Thursday as they discussed the Second Amendment.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/1/condoleezza-rice-defends-gun-rights-on-the-view-re/

Ms. Rice said that her father and his friends would fire their guns in the air when “night riders” with the KKK would come through the neighborhood.

Hm. A black person shooting at whites! Lol. Yes. No repercussions there. Lol. What a fairy tale.

 

[bluesneakers]

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice gave the ladies of ABC’s “The View” a history lesson on Thursday as they discussed the Second Amendment.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/1/condoleezza-rice-defends-gun-rights-on-the-view-re/

Ms. Rice said that her father and his friends would fire their guns in the air when “night riders” with the KKK would come through the neighborhood.

When was "Bull" Connor last in office?

 

[bluesneakers]

Hm. A black person shooting at whites! Lol. Yes. No repercussions there. Lol. What a fairy tale.

Right? Imagine the risk they were taking.

CDC data also show that within our nation’s cities, black Americans are, on average, eight times more likely to be killed by firearms than those who are white.

 

[Hatfield]

With today's Central Michigan University shooting on campus that left the shooter's parents dead I just wanted to entertain the thought of what if there was an all out ban and confiscation on sight of all handguns. And just handguns.

I am not sure how realistic this could ever be but just wanted to entertain this thought for awhile to see how the US could even implement something like this. For countries that once did not have a ban on weapons and put in a ban afterwards then how did they enforce getting the existing weapons off the streets?

Here are some of the important questions that would need to be well thought out if there was a new US law enacted that would ban all handguns. Keeping it at handguns only to simplify any discussions on it.

Did they have a turn in program where they gave the person some $$$ for each handgun turned in?

Did they just have a turn in program that people had to turn in all their handguns before a certain date and anyone caught with a gun after that date would be arrested?

Did they have door to door searches of every home for weapons?

Do they confiscate weapons on the spot if they see them and arrest the person on the spot?

What is the charge and penalty if caught with a weapon?

Did Prison population go up astronomically after the law was enacted?
Or were there so few weapons to begin with that it wasnt a problem for that country?
The US would really need to consider this part very carefully so as not to overflow jail and prison population limits because many people currently own handguns.

What if a person did not know about the new law and happened to have his handgun in his vehicle? Would he be arrested and go to jail and prison because of the new law?

Is this realistic that something like this could really happen in the US or is this a pie in the sky?

What about State's laws differences compared to Federal laws?

There is already problems in some areas where states choose to not follow all Federal laws so wont this become a huge problem for the US if the Federal law enacts some sort of handgun ban law?

For example states dont always follow federal laws about immigration policies or marijuana. So what would happen if the Federal govt bans handguns but some states choose not to follow enforcement?

The laws would have to be written beforehand to where a penalty for owning a handgun would have to be established before the law to outlaw handguns became enacted. Then if someone is caught with a handgun after that date they could be charged with that crime and whatever sentence is imposed for the possession of a handgun.

It would be interesting to see a draft of a law like this and see what kinds of penalties would be established for just illegal possession of a handgun by anyone.

 

[human]

With today's Central Michigan University shooting on campus that left the shooter's parents dead I just wanted to entertain the thought of what if there was an all out ban and confiscation on sight of all handguns. And just handguns.

I am not sure how realistic this could ever be but just wanted to entertain this thought for awhile to see how the US could even implement something like this. For countries that once did not have a ban on weapons and put in a ban afterwards then how did they enforce getting the existing weapons off the streets?

Here are some of the important questions that would need to be well thought out if there was a new US law enacted that would ban all handguns. Keeping it at handguns only to simplify any discussions on it.

Did they have a turn in program where they gave the person some $$$ for each handgun turned in?

Did they just have a turn in program that people had to turn in all their handguns before a certain date and anyone caught with a gun after that date would be arrested?

Did they have door to door searches of every home for weapons?

Do they confiscate weapons on the spot if they see them and arrest the person on the spot?

What is the charge and penalty if caught with a weapon?

Did Prison population go up astronomically after the law was enacted?
Or were there so few weapons to begin with that it wasnt a problem for that country?
The US would really need to consider this part very carefully so as not to overflow jail and prison population limits because many people currently own handguns.

What if a person did not know about the new law and happened to have his handgun in his vehicle? Would he be arrested and go to jail and prison because of the new law?

Is this realistic that something like this could really happen in the US or is this a pie in the sky?

What about State's laws differences compared to Federal laws?

There is already problems in some areas where states choose to not follow all Federal laws so wont this become a huge problem for the US if the Federal law enacts some sort of handgun ban law?

For example states dont always follow federal laws about immigration policies or marijuana. So what would happen if the Federal govt bans handguns but some states choose not to follow enforcement?

The laws would have to be written beforehand to where a penalty for owning a handgun would have to be established before the law to outlaw handguns became enacted. Then if someone is caught with a handgun after that date they could be charged with that crime and whatever sentence is imposed for the possession of a handgun.

It would be interesting to see a draft of a law like this and see what kinds of penalties would be established for just illegal possession of a handgun by anyone.

Australia did it Had buy backs and is having another one. The info should be online

 

[human]

Right? Imagine the risk they were taking.

She says if they knew who had the guns, LE would take them.lol

LE would not hesitate to have several rousted and lynched as an example,

I guess she missed the history.

 

[Hatfield]

Australia did it Had buy backs and is having another one. The info should be online

Thanks. I will try to read up more how they actually accomplished it and what penalties they have.

I am also very curious if they saw an increase in jail and prison populations because of the new law or were people so obedient to the new law that there was minimal increase.

 

[kittythehare]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...nt=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

[h=1]A new, huge review of gun research has bad news for the NRA[/h][h=2]The findings, while limited, point in one direction: Gun control can save lives.[/h]