Gun Control Debate #3

[Springrain]

This wasn't directed at me, but I'll take a stab. In general a LE officer would be better, all things being equal. But, he/she has to first get to the scene, and then ascertain where the threat is, then get there, and identify friend from foe. A teacher is already at the scene, perhaps even saw the incident develop in the beginning, he/she knows who the students and teachers are, and who doesnt belong. If the shooter is a student, the teacher will likely know him and be aware there have been problems.

If a cop is called to an active shooting and sees a teacher brandishing a gun, their first instinct very well may be "Oh, there's somebody with a gun," unaware that it's a teacher.

What if it's during lunch or another time when teachers and students are scattered about? What if the teacher doesn't know the student, or doesn't know of the student's past problems? Teachers are just not always aware of problems and, if they are, they might be aware of the details of a student's home life, but not the fact that they're planning a school shooting.

 

[bobcat]

If a cop is called to an active shooting and sees a teacher brandishing a gun, their first instinct very well may be "Oh, there's somebody with a gun," unaware that it's a teacher.

What if it's during lunch or another time when teachers and students are scattered about? What if the teacher doesn't know the student, or doesn't know of the student's past problems? Teachers are just not always aware of problems and, if they are, they might be aware of the details of a student's home life, but not the fact that they're planning a school shooting.

Once the police arrive the teacher won't be waving a gun around anymore, and certainly wouldn't be pointing their gun at the police.

ETA: so I don't get banned again, this is MY OPINION.

 

[Springrain]

I wasn't disputing your number.

Oh no, I wasn't saying you were, I was just sharing my sources!

 

[bluesneakers]

And consider the time it would take to train these teachers. I'm not sure we have the time to waste. IMO

I don't think we have the time to waste either. IMO this is a national emergency, no different from a snowstorm or hurricane or a rash or tornadoes or a major earthquake. Yet we have action plans for those emergencies. We can't save everyone but we prepare, we have warnings, shelters, we prevent damage, we recover, we plan and prepare for the next one. I feel like with school shootings we just throw our hands up in the air and walk away.

 

[Springrain]

Once the police arrive the teacher won't be waving a gun around anymore, and certainly wouldn't be pointing their gun at the police.

ETA: so I don't get banned again, this is MY OPINION.

If there's going to be a shooting between a teacher and a student, who's to say it won't still be going on when police get there? It depends on how far away the police are.

I'm assuming you mean Timed Out and not banned.

 

[bluesneakers]

Once the police arrive the teacher won't be waving a gun around anymore, and certainly wouldn't be pointing their gun at the police.

ETA: so I don't get banned again, this is MY OPINION.

How do you know the teacher won't be waving it around anymore?

Also you don't have to point a gun at the police for them to shoot you.

 

[bobcat]

If there's going to be a shooting between a teacher and a student, who's to say it won't still be going on when police get there? It depends on how far away the police are.

I'm assuming you mean Timed Out and not banned.

No, one or two shots and the killer would be dead.

IMO

 

[bobcat]

How do you know the teacher won't be waving it around anymore?

Also you don't have to point a gun at the police for them to shoot you.

Most teachers are intelligent and knowing that, I'm pretty sure they'd put their gun away when the police show up, as most anyone would. IMO

 

[KaaBoom]

District of Columbia v. Heller




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

Yes, a ruling by a corrupt right wing Supreme Court, that was appointed by corrupt right wing politicians, who were elected with money donated by the NRA, and which reversed 230 years of legal precedent. The only thing that proves, is that with enough money you can get the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution anyway you like it.

 

[bluesneakers]

If there's going to be a shooting between a teacher and a student, who's to say it won't still be going on when police get there? It depends on how far away the police are.

I'm assuming you mean Timed Out and not banned.

Columbine's massacre lasted almost an hour.

And we're assuming the shooter enters the building from the front doors. What if he or she is shooting from a distance, like Charles Whitman or Brenda Spencer. There are so many other possibilities. We really need to look at stopping the shooter years before he gets the idea. Stopping him with the gun in his hand is too late.

 

[RANCH]

Yes, a ruling by a corrupt right wing Supreme Court, that was appointed by corrupt right wing politicians, who were elected with money donated by the NRA, and which reversed 230 years of legal precedent. The only thing that proves, is that with enough money you can get the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution anyway you like it.

I'm sorry that you're disappointed in the way the court ruled.

 

[CoolJ]

You made a comment that more guns in more hands will lead to more suicides so I brought a link showing that less guns in people hands in Australia due to their gun confiscation programs has not led to a significant reduction of suicides. JMO

And you would be wrong.
https://www.smh.com.au/healthcare/t...ed-since-the-gun-buyback-20160622-gpp4wp.html

 

[bobcat]

Here's a good video. I really like this lady, watch her all the time. She's in Canada, and still is supporting Trump's idea to allow teachers to be armed.

https://youtu.be/2q1Id1TDgXk

 

[CoolJ]

Here's a good video. I really like this lady, watch her all the time. She's in Canada, and still is supporting Trump's idea to allow teachers to be armed.

https://youtu.be/2q1Id1TDgXk

She is a unicorn in Canada my friend.

 

[KaaBoom]

I'm sorry that you're disappointed in the way the court ruled.

I'm disappointed that NRA money was able to corrupt the Supreme Court.

 

[bobcat]

She is a unicorn in Canada my friend.

I really know nothing about her but she seems like a very smart lady and I agree with most of what she says in her videos.

 

[bobcat]

I'm disappointed that NRA money was able to corrupt the Supreme Court.

Do you have a link that proves that actually happened?

 

[RANCH]

Suicide rate in Australia reaches 10-year high

Suicide has reached a 10-year high in Australia as 3027 people killed themselves last year, the largest cause of death among 15 to 44-year-olds.


Last year, 12.6 people in every 100,000 killed themselves compared to 12 the year before, 11.4 in 2012 and a low of 10.4 in 2006.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...h/news-story/cb5d8384aadb571778775bda236f3c35

 

[Tricia]

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[Bernina]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...facts-on-effects-of-gun-policies-report-finds
[h=1]Science Provides Few Facts On Effects Of Gun Policies, Report Finds[/h]

An analysis published Friday confirms the state of American gun policy science is not good, overall.
The nonprofit RAND Corporation analyzed thousands of studies and found only 63 that establish a causal relationship between specific gun policies and outcomes such as reductions in homicide and suicide, leaving lawmakers without clear facts about one of the most divisive issues in American politics.

To help bridge the data gap for scientists, RAND has now compiled an open-source database of state-by-state gun laws going back to 1979. A similar, unrelated database run out of Boston University was published last year.

The RAND team also surveyed 95 gun policy experts from across the political spectrum about what they thought the effects of 15 different gun policies would be on 12 outcomes. The policies included universal background checks, bans on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, expanded mental illness prohibitions, minimum age requirements and required reporting of lost or stolen weapons.

The vast majority of the specialists RAND surveyed agreed that the primary objectives of gun policies should be reducing suicides and homicides, and that protecting privacy, enabling hunting and sport shooting and preventing mass shootings were secondary priorities.