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The officer at the Florida media conference said, we must address access to firearms for people under psychiatric care.
The programme also looked into claims that the Batman movie killer James Holmes, who killed 12 people at a midnight premier cinema screening at Colorado in 2012, was taking the SSRIs sertraline at the time of the murders.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/07/25/antidepressants-linked-murders-murderous-thoughts/
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In the latest school shooting in Florida, the officer was outlining the need for removal of firearms from those under mental health treatment. Theres a starter for you.
Good luck getting your source on what is not made public.
At least 36 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 172 wounded and 80 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public)
https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/
The programme also looked into claims that the Batman movie killer James Holmes, who killed 12 people at a midnight premier cinema screening at Colorado in 2012, was taking the SSRIs sertraline at the time of the murders.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/07/25/antidepressants-linked-murders-murderous-thoughts/
The pills, known as Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) which includes common drugs like Prozac and Seroxat, are prescribed 40 million times each year in Britain.
However court psychiatrist Dr William Reid who also interviewed Holmes before the trial, told the programme makers that he thought the killings were a result of mental illness and "completely unrelated to the medication."
Prosecuting Attorney George Brauchler told Panorama: “I don’t think the medications caused these shootings, I think this guy with his evil thoughts, having concluded that he had no other alternative future, with the mental illness, led to this, that’s what I think did it.”
Source that "all mass shooters are on meds," please.All the mass shooters are on meds. They all pick AR15s which is indicative of their mindset.
I read the other day something like 95% of the school shootings have happened in the last 25 years in America. Whats gone wrong with America?
Anyone being treated, shouldn't have access to firearms.
Who shoots unarmed schoolkids? It must be one of the most cowardice acts possible?
The officer at the Florida media conference said, we must address access to firearms for people under psychiatric care.
SHOOTING INCIDENTS WHERE PERPETRATOR WAS KNOWN TO BE ON OR WITHDRAWING FROM PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS:
SHOOTING INCIDENTS WHERE PERPETRATOR WAS SUSPECTEDOF BEING ON PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS (SUCH AS DRUGS FOUND IN APARTMENT OR CAR, SAW PSYCHIATRISTS IN THE PAST, ETC.):
June 3, 1999:
THERE WAS NO RELEASED INFO
RMATION OR
PUBLISHED REPORT OF THE PERPETRATOR BEING ON PSYCHI
ATRIC DRUGS:
Dec. 30, 1999:
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The Citizens Commission on Human Rights International (CCHR) is a nonprofit organization established in 1969 by the Church of Scientology and psychiatrist Thomas Szasz, headquartered in Los Angeles, California.
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Not exactly an unbiased source. SMH
moo
In case you are wondering I have lost my mind.
Rather than spend hours trying to remove posts in varies discussion that discuss the gun debate I thought I would give this a try just this once.
The reason I have kept the gun control debate off Websleuths is that people will lose their minds. Sorry not trying to say I don't have faith in you. I am saying I don't have faith in some of you.
All OF WEBSLEUTHS RULES APPLY.
No name calling,
No rudeness
Mainstream media and respected journals, websites only. No crazy right or left wing sites.
This is like any other topic on Websleuths.
If someone could please make a post with the links to the demonstrations coming up that would be a good way to start.
I will be watching this thread all through the evening.
Full disclosure. In my opinion, it is obscene that we have automatic weapons available. period. However, I believe that Government will never have the courage to do the right thing and stop taking money from the NRA and start getting these weapons out of the hands of angry people. Therefore it is up to us to try and stop creating the kids who are so angry they feel killing is the only way. We keep waiting on the powers that be to do something and more and more innocents are killed. No more waiting. Let's pinpoint who these kids are and take them out of society, preferably via a mental health facility, and stop the carnage before one more AR-15 or any other assault rifle is picked up by the hands of a potential killer.
Go for it.
Tricia
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I am not sure what this post means. Students of color and disabled students are not doing the school shootings.
Right. Blame Obama. Lol [emoji6][emoji854]
Those of us familiar with the school to prison pipeline and related data know these measures are to PREVENT shunting kids from schools en masse and find and provide them the help they need. Its meant to reduce the overuse of whats called exclusionary discipline.
Heres a REALLY interesting report, imo. An investigation into Oklahoma City Public Schools into this topic for the US Commission on Civil Rights.
(downloadable pdf)
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/Oklahoma_SchooltoPrisonPipeline_May2016.pdf
ALSO ...
The federal law (Gun Free Schools Act of 1994) requires that children be referred to appropriate juvenile care IN ADDITION TO them being removed from that specific school. So its already mandated. I do wonder, however, what remedies have been developed district-to district, and how consistently its enforced (ie; see above link)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_Schools_Act_of_1994
The Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 requires each state receiving federal funds to have a state law in effect requiring local educational agencies to expel, for at least one year, any student who is determined to have brought a weapon to school.
The one-year expulsion is mandatory, except when a chief administering officer of such local education agency may modify it on a case-by-case basis.[2]
In addition, schools are directed to develop policies requiring referral to the criminal justice or juvenile delinquency system for any student who brings a firearm or weapon to school.[2]
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Jumping off your post, Jax: Doesn’t the Church of Scientology shun psychiatry, mental health care and medication?
I’m not sure that’s the answer to gun violence that Americans are looking for, imo.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_psychiatry
“Since the founding of the Church of Scientology in 1954 by L. Ron Hubbard, the relationship between Scientology and psychiatry has been dominated by strong opposition by the organization against the medical specialties of psychiatry and psychology, with themes relating to this opposition occurring repeatedly throughout Scientology literature and doctrine.[1][2][3][4] According to the Church of Scientology, psychiatry has a long history of improper and abusive care.[5]
“The group's views have been disputed, criticized and condemned by experts in the medical and scientific community.”
Moving on ...
Aside from the Scientology sources which make the claims of "every mass shooting suspect being on SSRI's" hard to take as credible. I definitely think it is something that needs to be looked into and investigated in depth. This doesn't take away from the easy accessibility of high powered firearms being an obvious factor at play as to why this happens in America.
Here is a short clip of Michael Moore recently discussing this topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpinCRaAQOk
A scared, half asleep, panicked individual, might not be best person to wield a machete either. j.s.
Pepper spray is not all it's cracked up to be, again, half asleep or outside, and you can spray yourself. Outside you may just get blow back and then you're incapacitated.
Tasers are a good option, just ensure that, like a firearm, one keeps them away from kids, as they can kill a child, and some adults (see link). Get comfortable handling the one you choose. Note: If you choose a stun gun, be comfortable with it as well, you must be up close to the assailant for a stun gun to be effective, and you'd also want to keep them away from children.
The fire extinguisher is a good option.
My bro sleeps w/a L'vlle Slugger by his nightstand. If folks want to pack them around for defense though, I'd tell them to also take up "baseball" and carry the glove and ball. Who know when you might come up on a game? Bats are considered deadly weapons. If you are just packing a bat as a weapon, that's frowned upon. People use the bat, just to beat folks up, many times, so it doesn't appear they've used a deadly weapon, when, in fact, they have..
Police Use Stun Gun on Eight Year Old, Killing Her
https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/09/us/south-dakota-taser-lawsuit/index.html
All the mass shooters are on meds. They all pick AR15s which is indicative of their mindset.
I read the other day something like 95% of the school shootings have happened in the last 25 years in America. Whats gone wrong with America?
Anyone being treated, shouldn't have access to firearms.
Who shoots unarmed schoolkids? It must be one of the most cowardice acts possible?
I think we're full on into CT territory here. JMO
Thanks for bumping that.
One problem I noticed with Tricia's statement, the guns we're talking about are almost all semi-automatics, not machine guns.
moo
Automatic firearms not allowed in USA.
Other countries automatic firearms everywhere cheap as chips. Hardly any school shootings in many these schools.
$25 USD for automatic firearms in other countries. Automatics not allowed in USA.