Harley in the Hangar: Chop Shop?

[Archangel7]

I wouldn't trust a word printed in the Sun actually.

I feel the same about the Red Star and the Mop and Pail. But we have to quote/link to MSM.

 

[CanuckSleuth]

But wasn't Kavanagh on this case BEFORE it was suggested to be Organized Auto Theft I thought at first they assumed it was a random theft by two guys, one with tattoo and one with hoodie??

Kavanagh's job in Hamilton's PD is described as 'case manager' in a homicide unit. The Bosma investigation was assigned to the homicide unit from the start, even before the body was found.

Best,
J.

Det-Sgt Kavanagh was part of the task force that looked after vehicle thefts, now called BEAR for the Hamilton Police Services. This was BEFORE he moved to the homicide unit. (I think he was in homicide, then went to property crimes and was a part of setting up BEAR and then back to homicide, but I'm not sure until I find the links again, if possible.

 

[Sillybilly]

But wasn't Kavanagh on this case BEFORE it was suggested to be Organized Auto Theft I thought at first they assumed it was a random theft by two guys, one with tattoo and one with hoodie??

My original post was merely pointing out that Det Kavanagh's expertise/background would be beneficial wrt investigating organized auto theft regarding evidence collection:

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[Blomquist]

Det-Sgt Kavanagh was part of the task force that looked after vehicle thefts, now called BEAR for the Hamilton Police Services. This was BEFORE he moved to the homicide unit. (I think he was in homicide, then went to property crimes and was a part of setting up BEAR and then back to homicide, but I'm not sure until I find the links again, if possible.

Thank you... so it looks like he was in the right place at the right time then...

 

[axe2grind]

I'll have to find that picture of the wood chipper that was in the hangar, but this sounds quite a lot like the same one, same manufacturer and size based on the value of the one that was stolen from Oakville in January 2012. Serial number is likely long gone off the one in the hangar.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ville-wood-chipper/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

and here's the one in the hangar in the background of this picture... sure looks like a black chute from here anyway.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29437&d=1343747457

and here's a more traditional model paint job:

http://www.woodchuckllc.com/Chippers/03581/1.jpg

 

[newone]

I'll have to find that picture of the wood chipper that was in the hangar, but this sounds quite a lot like the same one, same manufacturer and size based on the value of the one that was stolen from Oakville in January 2012. Serial number is likely long gone off the one in the hangar.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ville-wood-chipper/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

I think you will find it in this thread (post 142 )
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209826&page=7

 

[ArianeEmory]

I'll have to find that picture of the wood chipper that was in the hangar, but this sounds quite a lot like the same one, same manufacturer and size based on the value of the one that was stolen from Oakville in January 2012. Serial number is likely long gone off the one in the hangar.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ville-wood-chipper/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

and here's the one in the hangar in the background of this picture... sure looks like a black chute from here anyway.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29437&d=1343747457

and here's a more traditional model paint job:

http://www.woodchuckllc.com/Chippers/03581/1.jpg

lanman mentioned this in another thread:

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...although it should probably be moved to this one anyway.

Edit: I wonder if lanman (or anyone) has tipped police about this.

 

[axe2grind]

I think you will find it in this thread (post 142 )
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209826&page=7

Thanks for the link. I didn't realize there was all that talk going on in the other thread. I'll see if I can find more photos of "stuff" in the hangar.

Not sure how to link some of these pictures, but there are a few showing a 2 door silver Austin Mini with a black top, and some large shipping crates, like you would fit a large transmission in, or something similar size to that inside.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Thanks for the link. I didn't realize there was all that talk going on in the other thread. I'll see if I can find more photos of "stuff" in the hangar.

Yeah, I'm not sure why it's in that thread at all, it may have spun off because some people originally wondered if the wood chipper was used in 'remains' disposal a la Fargo. (I find it really unlikely, but the theft lead seems solid.)

 

[newone]

Yeah, I'm not sure why it's in that thread at all, it may have spun off because some people originally wondered if the wood chipper was used in 'remains' disposal a la Fargo. (I find it really unlikely, but the theft lead seems solid.)

Fargo was actually cited in early pressers MSM after TB was declared deceased

 

[bessie]

FYI

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[jash]

Thanks for the link. I didn't realize there was all that talk going on in the other thread. I'll see if I can find more photos of "stuff" in the hangar.

Not sure how to link some of these pictures, but there are a few showing a 2 door silver Austin Mini with a black top, and some large shipping crates, like you would fit a large transmission in, or something similar size to that inside.

Funny you should mention that car. Just today I was reading some posts made on various forums by DM's mechanic (don't think I'm allowed to link) and he mentioned his boss's various vehicles/projects including a Mini Cooper. I hadn't ever seen it in any photos. He also wrote about ordering parts online including transmissions and turbos (might explain the crates you saw).

 

[lanman]

lanman mentioned this in another thread:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Hamilton PD: "One Set of Human Remains"

...although it should probably be moved to this one anyway.

Edit: I wonder if lanman (or anyone) has tipped police about this.

Yes, I just did that.

 

[axe2grind]

Funny you should mention that car. Just today I was reading some posts made on various forums by DM's mechanic (don't think I'm allowed to link) and he mentioned his boss's various vehicles/projects including a Mini Cooper. I hadn't ever seen it in any photos. He also wrote about ordering parts online including transmissions and turbos (might explain the crates you saw).

Not sure how long these will be available for viewing, but here are some pictures of the projects they had on the go at one time...

The Ford Shelby Cobra is the open frame. You can see the front of the Mini just behind it.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/270503_10150312576005901_821314_n.jpg

The Mini in the background behind the new motor for the Jeep.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/168020_10150134959740901_7367133_n.jpg

Another view of the Cobra, (with another motor in the background in front of the motorcycle... I would guess it's a Honda Shadow 700.)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/284506_10150312575880901_5480738_n.jpg

The jeep getting a new motor, with some shipping crates behind it.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/181587_10150134959925901_5899355_n.jpg

and the jetskis

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/545914_10150733484925901_670090805_n.jpg

 

[jash]

Thanks for all the photo links axe2grind.

According to DM's mechanic in 2011, DM's budget for the Cobra project was about $100,000! And yet he had to take what belonged to TB (and take his life in the process)?!?

 

[Solo712]

Det-Sgt Kavanagh was part of the task force that looked after vehicle thefts, now called BEAR for the Hamilton Police Services. This was BEFORE he moved to the homicide unit.

Would you be so good and send the link to the source of this info ? Much obliged.

J.

 

[meadsipper]

Thanks for all the photo links axe2grind.

According to DM's mechanic in 2011, DM's budget for the Cobra project was about $100,000! And yet he had to take what belonged to TB (and take his life in the process)?!?

You know something, when I look back to the day of the HPS press conference on May 14th, it was this very fact that left me infuriated. As D/Sgt Kavanagh revealed the facts, I sat there, feeling the steam rising, mixed with bitterness. Someone possessing a great amount of wealth, choosing to end the life of a working man trying to raise a family, just for a truck.

There was a mad flurry of thoughts here on the motive, with numerous posters positing theories that it was a payback, drugs, etc., yet few considered that it was just about a truck and getting rid of the owner who stood in the way. If you go to the "Truck as Motive" thread, there is the link posted there about a case in China where a little baby was strangled because it happened to be in its car seat and an "imposition" on the thief's plan.

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Folks, this is the way that some people think and operate, their mindset, their callousness, and even their sense of humour. A common prefacing statement in many threads here was, "I can't wrap my head around it", and that is simply because you are not of the same mindset as the accused individuals.

This crime is all the more heinous, precisely for this fact: it was the murder of a man for his personal vehicle, a vehicle of much lesser value than the assets of the thief, and the death of a family man whose net worth (monetarily) was no where near the thief's. And a young woman and her daughter are left with an incurable pain of the soul, a loss never to be forgotten.

Spin the theories if you will, and for some, proclaim the absurdity of it, but it has happened. Sadly, I have a feeling that the full justice will never be served in this case.

 

[CanuckSleuth]

Would you be so good and send the link to the source of this info ? Much obliged.

J.

I'm not ignoring you, I have been trying to find the link and continue to do so!

 

[Curiositykitten]

Spin the theories if you will, and for some, proclaim the absurdity of it, but it has happened. Sadly, I have a feeling that the full justice will never be served in this case.

Sadly I don't think they set out to steal a truck. I think they set out to kill. the truck was part of some sick, twisted game plan.

That's why it makes so little sense to ask, why would he do it when he was so rich?

He wasn't doing it for the truck. He was doing it for the thrill.

The truck was likely a trophy, for carrying out the sick plan.

Tim was just very, very unlucky.

 

[bessie]

This link was removed.

Thanks. I've updated the link and added two additional ones.