GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

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This is a terrible question and I need to ask your indulgence, but I never did hear whether Taylor's barrage of texts was mentioned -- or would even be mentioned -- with the testimonies re his cell phone activity
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Napili said:
This is a terrible question and I need to ask your indulgence, but I never did hear whether Taylor's barrage of texts was mentioned -- or would even be mentioned -- with the testimonies re his cell phone activity
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No, they were not. The testimony regarding the cell towers didn't divulge who texted (or called) who and when. It was more about where the phone was at particular days and times.

I thought for sure we'd eventually hear testimony about the actual calls/texts.. Maybe that would need to come from an AT&T representative? I think the jury should know how many times SC called Charli and vice-versa in the weeks leading up to the murder.
 
IIRC there are AT&T and Verizon reps who have gotten subpoenas. I hope they are held back because they have a gotcha moment. Please.
 
Odd, I've never thought of a female accomplice. I was always horrified by what Susan Atkins did to Sharon Tate, but thankfully her sort of evil is not often found.
https://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Manson_Family_killer_Susan_Atkins_dies_in_prison

Steven may look Mansonesque when he's bearded, but he's not the charismatic inciting leader in my eyes. Cold, remorseless, evil, yes, but not a cult leader type.

I don't think Cass was as bad as PT does. After reading a lot of her writings. So she's trying to find herself and a bit self-absorbed in the process, dancing to a different drum. I never saw her wanting to hurt someone else. I think she had no idea he was a dark soul, and it was painful to adjust to that reality, and then she moved on. But I don't know her other than what she writes. I think she was more ditzy than femme fatale. He's the one who twisted it all into the stuff of nightmares instead of trying to adjust to the idea of fatherhood as something that happens to a lot of guys (and women) no more ready than he was.
 
Napili said:
Pua, The finding of the slipper on the little path & as you described the "forced march" was all too evocative. I hadn't ever really been able to move fully into your psychological analyses of Steven before. I suppose I didn't wan't to believe someone could do this thing all the way--be that totally given in to evil--just as I came kicking and screaming to the fact of the dismemberment. But, that slipper on that dark pathway brings it home like nothing else. Everything you said, and others, too, about how the twisted mind of the pathological narcissist thinks...seeing him behind her, certain that she deserved all of it, knowing what he was doing...would do...Angrily answering her pleas with pain. Her not believing that he could be doing this. And his justified, faultless brutality. So much better described by some of you... But it makes me ineffably sad.
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Napili, your post is terribly moving, much more evocative than mine. I think a lot about how it was for her, but it's so dark to write out.

I don't find it easy to believe at all. When I think of the type of guy who could do this, I tend to think of some brute of a man, but Steven is/was a well spoken young man who had some good interests as well as his dark side. She wouldn't have loved him if he had nothing appealing. To me it's that turning of the person one trusts from someone who might be on the mean side but you don't think he is capable or you/she would have run far and fast away to have that baby against his wishes. I also imagine that implacable face.

I actually have have a memory of something similar, seeing someone change from a person I trusted not to be violent into someone I didn't recognize, someone cold and hateful and dark. I called the police because I could. Never thought I would be in that situation. So I relate I guess by amplifying that experience to the nth degree.

Some of his weirdness comes out in the interviews. Like when Loo asks about possibly hurting Charli in the past, and Steven talked about pushing her down hard as foreplay and she didn't like it. What a wacko. Seriously, who would ever tell a detective an odd story like that when being interviewed as a suspect in a murder, a murder he committed and should want to hide, proffering this story that no one else knows about and just puts him in a bad light. He's chatting away like it's perfectly normal to tell a murder cop about your rough sex play. (Got to give Loo credit for drawing him out.) And to tell these stories only a day or less after cutting her into pieces ... It's beyond creepy. And the way he talks about his stereo and how great it is.

It's like he feels nothing more after what he did than if he squashed a bug that was irritating him.
 
puakenikeni said:
IIRC there are AT&T and Verizon reps who have gotten subpoenas. I hope they are held back because they have a gotcha moment. Please.
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Thanks! I hope we will hear about the calls because there is more to the story.

As far as gothcha moments go, I think they have been there all along. The first one came from Ginseng Mileur ": He asked me what would be the best way to get away with a murder".

Taylor Farner as quoted in Maui Now: Farner said the defendant expressed to her that he wanted to be sure that if she got pregnant that it would end in an abortion. When prosecuting attorney Robert Rivera asked Farner how the defendant felt about children, she responded, “He said he hated kids.” “He would rather sleep in his struck than leave it anywhere near Hāna.” She said he was afraid the truck would get stolen if it were left on the side of the road.

Cass also testified that he hated kids, and that she didn't speak to him for a week after she found out about Charli's pregnancy.

Kimberlyn Scott characterized Capobianco’s tone as being “out of context for being in a room full of people that were afraid for someone.” She said, “He was being a smart *advertiser censored*.”

Numerous witnesses testifying that SC showed no concern for Charli or his son.

Four witnesses and the Bank of Hawaii video proved that his truck was not in Keanae, contradicting his pathetic, ridiculous alibi.

Kyle Knight testified that he did NOT give SC a ride to work that day.

Cell tower records place him in the Keanae area 4 nights in a row.

SC's police interviews - what can I say that I haven't already said about those? That's SC basically testifying for the prosecution. I lost count of the lies.

I don't think there will be a bloody knife. But there's more to come and, IMHO, the evidence is pretty conclusive. Sorry, but I don't "get" people who need to be hit over the head with the obvious.
 
Hapworth said:
Is it 32/30 or 30/32 jeans. ?
I remember a discussion about this awhile back. thanks.
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32 waist/30 length

About the talk of Charli's personality and of the attraction with Charli & Steven......I don't want to be the bad guy here, but I do want to keep things totally real so we can understand the crime and its dynamics better. I've noticed that there's a tendency when a pregnant woman gets murdered to only see her as a madonna/Virgin Mary type figure,saintly and good, and to downplay or erase any "negative" qualities.

Just in order to give a more balanced, rounded view of who Charli was, I'll just point out that at the time of her murder, she was banned from both her mother's home and from Steven's grandfather's home. Take a minute to think about that. I'm not trying to do character assassination here, I just feel that if we're going to be talking about her personality and about how Charli must've seen some good in Steven......well perhaps Steven saw the "bad girl" in Charli. And he liked it. Maybe that was the initial spark between them: he was a bad-boy and she had an edgy, belligerent, "bad" side that made him want to spend time with her, at least initially.

At the very least, it can be said that she had issues with impulse control...and this may have been her downfall. If she had cut ties and not hooked up with Steven anymore after they broke up, she'd still be here today. :-(

I'm sorry if this post offends, I really am. That's not my intention. I just want to try to keep things objective and real. I like Kapua's description of Charli as "spirited" because it neutrally conveys both the nice and perhaps not-so-nice qualities that we know of the victim in this horrible crime.
 
Hapworth said:
"Detective Adachi also noted the size of the jeans on the label which indicated it had *advertiser censored*32″ waist and 30″ inseam."

http://mauinow.com/2016/09/05/capob...-of-4runner-zip-ties-stained-jeans-recovered/

I still don't believe a 6ft guy has a 30" inseam....unless worn way low below the hip.
Maybe SC wears his jeans skater skinny and low.



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Yup. Skinny and low, and local boys wear "slippahs" so it makes sense to me.
 
Hapworth said:
"Detective Adachi also noted the size of the jeans on the label which indicated it had *advertiser censored*32″ waist and 30″ inseam."

http://mauinow.com/2016/09/05/capob...-of-4runner-zip-ties-stained-jeans-recovered/

I still don't believe a 6ft guy has a 30" inseam....unless worn way low below the hip.
Maybe SC wears his jeans skater skinny and low.



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And would guys wear jeans designed for females?
Does anyone know if the DNKY and Perry Ellis jeans have a uni cut?
My brother wears 32/30 Levis and he is 5'6"..........but he doesn't wear them low.
 
Mamamerced said:
And would guys wear jeans designed for females?
Does anyone know if the DNKY and Perry Ellis jeans have a uni cut?
My brother wears 32/30 Levis and he is 5'6"..........but he doesn't wear them low.
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But both pairs of jeans were men's jeans.
Men's jeans come labeled as 32 x 30, women's jeans come in single-number sizes.


I don't see him wearing them "below the hip" i.e. hanging off his butt like Justin Bieber, but I see him wearing them below the waist and hugging his hips.
 
Moxie_McTavish said:
32 waist/30 length

About the talk of Charli's personality and of the attraction with Charli & Steven......I don't want to be the bad guy here, but I do want to keep things totally real so we can understand the crime and its dynamics better. I've noticed that there's a tendency when a pregnant woman gets murdered to only see her as a madonna/Virgin Mary type figure,saintly and good, and to downplay or erase any "negative" qualities.

Just in order to give a more balanced, rounded view of who Charli was, I'll just point out that at the time of her murder, she was banned from both her mother's home and from Steven's grandfather's home. Take a minute to think about that. I'm not trying to do character assassination here, I just feel that if we're going to be talking about her personality and about how Charli must've seen some good in Steven......well perhaps Steven saw the "bad girl" in Charli. And he liked it. Maybe that was the initial spark between them: he was a bad-boy and she had an edgy, belligerent, "bad" side that made him want to spend time with her, at least initially.

At the very least, it can be said that she had issues with impulse control...and this may have been her downfall. If she had cut ties and not hooked up with Steven anymore after they broke up, she'd still be here today. :-(

I'm sorry if this post offends, I really am. That's not my intention. I just want to try to keep things objective and real. I like Kapua's description of Charli as "spirited" because it neutrally conveys both the nice and perhaps not-so-nice qualities that we know of the victim in this horrible crime.
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Not going there, Moxie. Bad, good.......what does that even mean?
Charli's life and that of her child's were brutally taken from them by an emotionally warped/ stunted man.
 
Mamamerced said:
And would guys wear jeans designed for females?
Does anyone know if the DNKY and Perry Ellis jeans have a uni cut?
My brother wears 32/30 Levis and he is 5'6"..........but he doesn't wear them low.
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I googled to find out if DKNY made men's jeans a couple of days ago - it does. Here's one from eBay. Note the post on the right, loop on the left in the pic:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Mens-DK...hash=item2a70ecaedd:m:mYNpVTnHzT4P6917uk1DCzQ

Honestly, I was surprised to hear the brand names. I would have guessed Levi's.
 
puakenikeni said:
Odd, I've never thought of a female accomplice. I was always horrified by what Susan Atkins did to Sharon Tate, but thankfully her sort of evil is not often found.
https://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Manson_Family_killer_Susan_Atkins_dies_in_prison

Steven may look Mansonesque when he's bearded, but he's not the charismatic inciting leader in my eyes. Cold, remorseless, evil, yes, but not a cult leader type.

I don't think Cass was as bad as PT does.
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I never said she was bad. Just Naive and Weak. When Steven wasnt on trial for Murder he had aquite a little drug following. He was the dealer. He was the Milkman. He is going out to deals at 2 in the morning. He knew a lot of people. A lot of them pretty girls. He slept with a few of them. Shhe had instant status. You know Manson had the 420 on dope. Lots of LSD for starters

None of them were as easy and supportive as Charli. She was willing to be a doormat and absorb his issues for a time. And when she no longer was willing to absorb his crap he got rid of her.
 
Moxie_McTavish said:
But both pairs of jeans were men's jeans.
Men's jeans come labeled as 32 x 30, women's jeans come in single-number sizes.


I don't see him wearing them "below the hip" i.e. hanging off his butt like Justin Bieber, but I see him wearing them below the waist and hugging his hips.
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My mistake, then, as I thought from the description of the post and closure that the jeans were for women. But, admittedly I haven't been tuned in lately.
 
Moxie_McTavish said:
32 waist/30 length

About the talk of Charli's personality and of the attraction with Charli & Steven......I don't want to be the bad guy here, but I do want to keep things totally real so we can understand the crime and its dynamics better. I've noticed that there's a tendency when a pregnant woman gets murdered to only see her as a madonna/Virgin Mary type figure,saintly and good, and to downplay or erase any "negative" qualities.

Just in order to give a more balanced, rounded view of who Charli was, I'll just point out that at the time of her murder, she was banned from both her mother's home and from Steven's grandfather's home. Take a minute to think about that. I'm not trying to do character assassination here, I just feel that if we're going to be talking about her personality and about how Charli must've seen some good in Steven......well perhaps Steven saw the "bad girl" in Charli. And he liked it. Maybe that was the initial spark between them: he was a bad-boy and she had an edgy, belligerent, "bad" side that made him want to spend time with her, at least initially.

At the very least, it can be said that she had issues with impulse control...and this may have been her downfall. If she had cut ties and not hooked up with Steven anymore after they broke up, she'd still be here today. :-(

I'm sorry if this post offends, I really am. That's not my intention. I just want to try to keep things objective and real. I like Kapua's description of Charli as "spirited" because it neutrally conveys both the nice and perhaps not-so-nice qualities that we know of the victim in this horrible crime.
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I know exactly what you are saying.

I always liked the bad boys when I was in my 20's, so I relate. "Bad" is fun as long as it doesn't cross the line to evil. He was not known to be the type who physically abused women in a known way. He probably seemed dark but ultimately not dangerous in the way he turned out to be. As I was trying to describe above, when you see someone flip the switch from someone who has a line of restraint and someone who is across the line and ready to kill, it's such a shock, when you think you know someone really well and the "bad" persona is "safe" to be around and kind of fun.

I agree about the tendency to canonize the departed, but regardless of whatever tensions were in the family, the number of people who rallied round and devoted themselves to the search speaks volumes for the mark she left on people. I don't know any perfect people, but I might find one boring if I did.

From the beginning, the family acknowledged there was strain over Charli's attachment to SC, whom her Mom saw through all along. I find it confusing that C dropped her laundry off with her Mom on Mondays, and that she was there on her last night at a second living space on the property (Brooke's). That's a different from totally banned.

I have always related to Charli's wild side. Reminds me of my youth and the spectrum of people I hung out with, some of whom were far more dangerous than I understood at that age. For me it's a "there but for fortune, goes you or I" kind of deal.
 
Mamamerced said:
Not going there, Moxie. Bad, good.......what does that even mean?
Charli's life and that of her child's were brutally taken from them by an emotionally warped/ stunted man.
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I agree. Its not so easy as "Bad Girl". We dont know. Its not like she was immersed in world of stable people (Kim&Johnny). It seems to me she was the most stable out all of them. Worked 2 real jobs and was getting ready and stoked to be a Mom. I think in the end she just wanted what we all wanted. To be stable and accepted.
 
Mamamerced said:
My mistake, then, as I thought from the description of the post and closure that the jeans were for women. But, admittedly I haven't been tuned in lately.
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LOL, that confused me, too, in a couple of ways. First, I thought it was an odd question for a juror to ask, because women's jeans are *generally* not sized by waist and inseam, although we can sometimes find petite, medium, or tall. I wear size 6 Medium Gloria Vanderbilt women's jeans, for example. I would assume that 32-30 are men's jeans. Secondly, I was puzzled as to why Apo mentioned that the jeans in Charli's laundry basket had the post on the right and the loop on the left. (Notice that he didn't mention the size.) I know that men's shirts have buttons on the opposite sides... but jeans? So I checked my jeans. All posts right, loops left.

Here's a pair of Perry Ellis men's jeans from eBay. Post right, loop left:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Perri-Ellis...325335?hash=item25c552c2d7:g:5u8AAOSwPCVX7HJv
 
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