Holly Bobo found deceased, discussion thread *Arrests* #6

[SteveS]

One of the things that's been the most frustrating, in looking at this case, is that because it's gone nowhere in the legal process, we have been provided no examination of evidence under oath, and have no real feel for what the evidence (if any) actually shows.

To be clear, I'm not complaining that we don't know, because justice really isn't about catering to the outsiders, but it sure keeps us from having a valid way to verify or rule out any of our ideas. The devil is always in the details, and we have none.

And we thought that when arrests began, that would change soon. Unfortunately, it has simply caused more confusion as to what (if anything) they really know. At this point, I don't have real confidence that we will ever get a detailed look at LE's evidence, much less come to know what truly happened in this case.

 

[Cannonsburg]

The Jackson Sun is reporting Shayne Austin hung himself.

 

[~Lyric~]

I agree with you.

By the way, do we have any knowledge of what they meant by "drugs administered to Holly Bobo"? A few months back, someone posted a comment about how I was delusional for defending these guys saying there was no evidence because these guys were monsters and they tortured her with drugs and then "they killed her by injecting her with bad meth". I asked for clarification on how they knew this information and they deleted the comment. I have no idea if they have some inside info or if they just heard a rumor. Not sure what I should think about that.

Nothing has ever come out about Holly being drugged only speculation. However, I wouldn't doubt for one minute. If they truly did rape Holly ( which I think is quite possible), I think Shayne told them what he knew and I think Dylan did too. I really don't know which came first. That really hasn't ever been disclosed.
The drugs would have made Holly very pliable and so out of her mind, she couldn't have done anything.
We don't even know how much of Holly's remains were found. We won't be able to find out, how many needle marks were on her body, or just how much or what kind of drugs she was given. I'm sure LE will only have what someone tells them regarding that.

I think the TBI had more then just Shayne's phone tapped, I think many people in that area had tap's.

Someone scattered Holly's things around, remember different items were found in different area's.
Maybe that is why sometimes Shayne was with Zach, and sometimes not.

What really concerns me, is that the TBI took "rumors" and ran with it, making things fit into the TBI's theory.
Just remember all the stuff being said over at that "other place" where the locals were running rampant.

The only thing that never changed was the rumors of the "A-Train".

Do I think they are responsible, yeah, I'm pretty sure. ( My own opinion).

But what I am not hearing is the "actual" evidence and if I was a defense attorney I would be raising total hell until I got something. Yeah I would be all over every news source.

None of this, is Justice for Holly.

 

[~Lyric~]

One of the things that's been the most frustrating, in looking at this case, is that because it's gone nowhere in the legal process, we have been provided no examination of evidence under oath, and have no real feel for what the evidence (if any) actually shows.

To be clear, I'm not complaining that we don't know, because justice really isn't about catering to the outsiders, but it sure keeps us from having a valid way to verify or rule out any of our ideas. The devil is always in the details, and we have none.

And we thought that when arrests began, that would change soon. Unfortunately, it has simply caused more confusion as to what (if anything) they really know. At this point, I don't have real confidence that we will ever get a detailed look at LE's evidence, much less come to know what truly happened in this case.

Steve, I am so on your side with this. It's been a year, less then a month, all these arrests started. A YEAR.
No we as the public don't need to know everything, but somethings still stinks.

There is some reason that Stowe was having a fit. There is his side and the TBI's side and the TBI sure doesn't have to say squat to anyone, as we just found out, due to a law in TN saying they don't have to.

 

[~Lyric~]

I find it interesting tho,

All these guys, except for Shayne Austin, are in jail for other charges, so in theory I suppose they are there until, those charges and penalties are done.

No jury has ever been seated, so just how long can these charges for Holly hang over them until something is done.

The no nonsense Judge sure is quiet now too. "I want this to move along". Whatever happened to that.

 

[~Lyric~]

Here is what I find very confusing about the quoted section. If Austin says he was with Adams the entire day, why then would they be exchanging phone calls that same day, why not just turn to the other and speak?

I put my speculation of this in another post here, but I'm wondering, if he was doing something with Holly's things, I remember it being said they found some of her things here and there. Was one of them doing something with it.

 

[~Lyric~]

I'm new here, so if this has already been stated , I apologize. I feel that someone close to her either burned these slugs for some drugs or money. I think she was abducted and raped out of revenge. I think that the rape got out of hand and she was killed. Then these guys panicked and disposed of the body. I think that they probably did film it with cell phones and I believe that will ultimately be their undoing, I hope. Just my opinion.

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:greetings:

 

[Cannonsburg]

:welcome:
:greetings:

Thank You

 

[pearl]

I have no idea why I think the next thing that will happen with this case is that either ZA or JA will turn on the other.

 

[Arnie M]

I have no idea why I think the next thing that will happen with this case is that either ZA or JA will turn on the other.

Maybe .... but my guess they will not ... because they probably have figured out there is not sufficient evidence to prove anything against anybody .

Maybe not even enough to keep them in custody ... the "body language" of the judge almost hinted at that during the last court appearance and it puts him in a difficult position as well

There is obviously a stalemate , or some type of quandary behind the scenes that prevents this case moving forward .... and if it is a legal one (not enough evidence) they may have to stay the charges .... and it would be for (legal) reasons and have nothing to do with whether they are guilty or innocent .

 

[Cannonsburg]

Maybe .... but my guess they will not ... because they probably have figured out there is not sufficient evidence to prove anything against anybody .

Maybe not even enough to keep them in custody ... the "body language" of the judge almost hinted at that during the last court appearance and it puts him in a difficult position as well

There is obviously a stalemate , or some type of quandary behind the scenes that prevents this case moving forward .... and if it is a legal one (not enough evidence) they may have to stay the charges .... and it would be for (legal) reasons and have nothing to do with whether they are guilty or innocent .

I think the DA's office has these guys right where they want them, in jail already on unrelated charges. The Grand Jury has handed down indictments of varying degrees. The prosecutors keep changing faces allowing for more time to make an ironclad case. The defendants have a right to a speedy trial, but the defense can't seem to get anything thrown out. The slow movement in the case is frustrating to the public though.

 

[Cannonsburg]

Shayne Austin hanging himself is a new twist also

 

[katydid23]

I understand those who feel Clint is the key to understanding this case.

I had to leave these thread for awhile, early on, because I had so much doubt about Clint's story, and I kept getting TOS'd. :angel:

I have never believed that he harmed his sister in any way. I just had a hard time with what happened that morning. Calling Mommy instead of grabbing a weapon and going to see what was happening to her.

I have a son and a daughter. My son would absolutely go outside and run after anyone 'walking' his little sister into the brush. He would not call me at work and say 'what is going on?' That makes no sense.

That post up above about him hiding makes a lot of sense to me now. It helps me understand why he never called out to the garage when he heard the noises. Most brothers would do so if their sisters were in potential trouble. Most would investigate aggressively a situation like that. Holly was a very beautiful girl. So is my daughter and so my son was very used to stepping in when she got unwanted attention when they were growing up. I am sure Clint would have seen similar situations. So his story that morning just made no sense. But it does make sense if he was hiding himself and thinking she was telling the 'visitors' that he was not home. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I had to leave these thread for awhile, early on, because I had so much doubt about Clint's story, and I kept getting TOS'd. :angel:

I have never believed that he harmed his sister in any way. I just had a hard time with what happened that morning. Calling Mommy instead of grabbing a weapon and going to see what was happening to her.

I have a son and a daughter. My son would absolutely go outside and run after anyone 'walking' his little sister into the brush. He would not call me at work and say 'what is going on?' That makes no sense.

That post up above about him hiding makes a lot of sense to me now. It helps me understand why he never called out to the garage when he heard the noises. Most brothers would do so if their sisters were in potential trouble. Most would investigate aggressively a situation like that. Holly was a very beautiful girl. So is my daughter and so my son was very used to stepping in when she got unwanted attention when they were growing up. I am sure Clint would have seen similar situations. So his story that morning just made no sense. But it does make sense if he was hiding himself and thinking she was telling the 'visitors' that he was not home. JMO

But I would think she would want the perp to know her brother was there...she knows the house has guns. Why would she tell them she was all alone? To protect Clint? I think he should have been the one to protect her, jmo.

 

[Cannonsburg]

I had to leave these thread for awhile, early on, because I had so much doubt about Clint's story, and I kept getting TOS'd. :angel:

I have never believed that he harmed his sister in any way. I just had a hard time with what happened that morning. Calling Mommy instead of grabbing a weapon and going to see what was happening to her.

I have a son and a daughter. My son would absolutely go outside and run after anyone 'walking' his little sister into the brush. He would not call me at work and say 'what is going on?' That makes no sense.

That post up above about him hiding makes a lot of sense to me now. It helps me understand why he never called out to the garage when he heard the noises. Most brothers would do so if their sisters were in potential trouble. Most would investigate aggressively a situation like that. Holly was a very beautiful girl. So is my daughter and so my son was very used to stepping in when she got unwanted attention when they were growing up. I am sure Clint would have seen similar situations. So his story that morning just made no sense. But it does make sense if he was hiding himself and thinking she was telling the 'visitors' that he was not home. JMO

I believe you are spot on.

 

[Bali]

how many needle marks were on her body

Sadly, they probably wouldn't have referred to it as a skull if there was any flesh left at all. And that amount of time, I have no doubt there was no flesh left at all. Probably no hair either. Many birds collect any human or animal hair left out to make their nests. There might be nothing left to test for substances.

 

[Bali]

I think the DA's office has these guys right where they want them, in jail already on unrelated charges. The Grand Jury has handed down indictments of varying degrees. The prosecutors keep changing faces allowing for more time to make an ironclad case. The defendants have a right to a speedy trial, but the defense can't seem to get anything thrown out. The slow movement in the case is frustrating to the public though.

It's my understanding that they have postponed the next hearing (which I imagine will deal with the motion to dismiss the charges) until some future date when the prosecutor has had a chance to "catch up". I don't think the judge has ruled on that motion yet. Honestly, I think they have a very strong shot at it. I never say that because the criminal justice system isn't exactly tilted for defendants, but the prosecution's refusal to turn over anything is way over the top.

I have no idea why I think the next thing that will happen with this case is that either ZA or JA will turn on the other.

I'm quite certain that's what the prosecutor has been working on. And, if you ask me, why Austin committed suicide. They were really pressuring them. That's why they announced they were seeking the death penalty. They're hoping someone will be scared enough to take a deal. I don't know anything about Zach, but I personally don't see Autry doing that though. He's been all over the news saying they tried to get him to testify falsely against Zach. And it would be really dumb to do so when you haven't even seen the evidence. Hopefully their attorneys have explained that to them.

 

[Tugela]

I had to leave these thread for awhile, early on, because I had so much doubt about Clint's story, and I kept getting TOS'd. :angel:

I have never believed that he harmed his sister in any way. I just had a hard time with what happened that morning. Calling Mommy instead of grabbing a weapon and going to see what was happening to her.

I have a son and a daughter. My son would absolutely go outside and run after anyone 'walking' his little sister into the brush. He would not call me at work and say 'what is going on?' That makes no sense.

That post up above about him hiding makes a lot of sense to me now. It helps me understand why he never called out to the garage when he heard the noises. Most brothers would do so if their sisters were in potential trouble. Most would investigate aggressively a situation like that. Holly was a very beautiful girl. So is my daughter and so my son was very used to stepping in when she got unwanted attention when they were growing up. I am sure Clint would have seen similar situations. So his story that morning just made no sense. But it does make sense if he was hiding himself and thinking she was telling the 'visitors' that he was not home. JMO

I have been saying that for a long time. The various and changing accounts that have appeared in the media do not seem reasonable to me, which is the main reason I have thought that something else was going on. Personally I do not consider the accounts around the actual abduction credible. The people currently under arrest may well have been responsible to what happened to Holly, but I don't believe it happened in the way we have been told.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I agree with some that I think Shayne was murdered. I do kind of lean towards conspiracy theories though.

:seeya: I agree ... he knew "something" IMO because after all, he was given an "immunity deal" which was later revoked.

And IF we knew what he knew, maybe -- just maybe some of this would start to make more sense.

:moo:

 

[Tugela]

It's my understanding that they have postponed the next hearing (which I imagine will deal with the motion to dismiss the charges) until some future date when the prosecutor has had a chance to "catch up". I don't think the judge has ruled on that motion yet. Honestly, I think they have a very strong shot at it. I never say that because the criminal justice system isn't exactly tilted for defendants, but the prosecution's refusal to turn over anything is way over the top.

I'm quite certain that's what the prosecutor has been working on. And, if you ask me, why Austin committed suicide. They were really pressuring them. That's why they announced they were seeking the death penalty. They're hoping someone will be scared enough to take a deal. I don't know anything about Zach, but I personally don't see Autry doing that though. He's been all over the news saying they tried to get him to testify falsely against Zach. And it would be really dumb to do so when you haven't even seen the evidence. Hopefully their attorneys have explained that to them.

The current prosecutor was already on the case when Stowe had his explosion - she left the team as a result of it, then subsequently returned when he stepped away from the case. She should not need additional time to "familiarize" herself, and materials for discovery were supposed to have been assembled even before Stowe came to office (so they should still be assembled)