GUILTY IA - Amy Mullis , 39, Earlville, killed with corn rake, 10 Nov 2018 *Arrest*

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I’m a little late in seeing this thread. I’m shocked that the investigators didn’t test her fingernails or the rake for DNA. How can they bring this man to trial without this information? There aren’t any second chances if he is found not guilty! There is reasonable doubt that he guilty. I hope they can get a hung jury, but unfortunately he might be acquitted based on what the jurors were given.
RIP Amy
 
Shelby1 said:
Just listened to the enhanced version of the 911 call on Court TV. Still don't hear anything like what the pros. accused him of saying.
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If you listen to the 911 call played during trial (on Day 1), right after he supposedly whispers this, the 911 person asks if the officer is there with him and Todd says yes - so not only would he be whispering these words to the 911 person, he'd also be saying it in front of LE. Don't think so.
 
I hear him say something in the enh video on Twitter, sounds like he whispers "take over" like he wants someone to take his place. When he "says" that, the pros turns the recording off and she starts talking. It sounds so clear to me, does anyone else hear those words? I sure can't hear "GTH, W."

New to this case, been trying to sort it out on utube, but it looks like you have posted the links in order in this thread.
 
morty4185 said:
Prosecution is convinced because of a family alibi and cell records that show his phone was not where the murder was committed that means Jerry Frasher is cleared.

Based on this logic, I can put my cell phone in the trunk of car travelling to California and that means I am in that car as well.

How was that not challenged on cross ?
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yeah, I wonder about that too! I feel that Frasher has been treated a bit too easily in all this. And as I noted in an interesting thing I stumbled across, Frasher's own father died in a "farming accident" in 2014. Makes me wonder about him more and more!
 
geevee said:
If you listen to the 911 call played during trial (on Day 1), right after he supposedly whispers this, the 911 person asks if the officer is there with him and Todd says yes - so not only would he be whispering these words to the 911 person, he'd also be saying it in front of LE. Don't think so.
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Wow, I hope the jury figures this out and they realize this prosecutor is pure evil.
 
Joe Friday said:
My thought on the DNA testing without the father knowing was Amy might have been unsure if Todd is the father of the youngest son.

JMO
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Yep, or perhaps she was pregnant at the time of the search and had no clue who dad was.

Never understood why someone male or female who enjoys sex with a variety of people decides to get married.
 
The handle of the corn rake was broken. Was it ever discussed if the handle was broken prior to the day Amy was found dead or when or how the handle was broken? Or was the broken portion of the handle found inside the shed?

If the broken off portion of the handle that was not attached to the forks was found inside the shed, it's location might determine where an altercation occurred or where Amy might have fallen and impaled herself.

The narrow area between the large sliding door to the shed and the chemical totes where Amy was found face down on her hands and knee's IMO was not wide enough for someone to swing a corn rake and strike Amy with it. I don't recall if the distance between the door and chemical totes was ever given in testimony. If not, why not? If it wasn't I will chalk that up to the lack of investigation.

The puncture wounds on Amy's body indicate the handle would have been at an angle to the side of Amy's body. This is also backed up by Todd's testimony that he couldn't remove Amy from the shed because the corn rakes handle was coming in contact with the steel caging of the chemical totes. Todd also testified that Amy's head was nearest to the opening in the door and that she was face down on her hands and knees. When he picked her up from under the arm pits with her face in his chest the handle of the corn rake came in contact with the chemical totes preventing him from removing Amy from the shed. This means that the corn rake handle would have had to have been protruding to the left side of Amy's body and the handle facing toward her head. If the handle was facing towards her feet the handle would not have gotten tangled with the chemical totes as he tried to drag her body out of the shed. The handle would have just skipped along the chemical totes the same as as if someone was dragging a stick along a picket fence while walking by. If Any was attacked this would mean that Amy couldn't have been standing up when struck with the rake. She would have had to have been bent over with her attacker to her left and facing her or lying on the ground. If she was attacked there is no way this happened where Amy was found lying on the floor because there is just not enough room. That would mean that she must have been left for dead and crawled to where she was found.

I think this was an accident not a homicide. My theory is the scrape on her chin was the result of falling and hitting her chin on some object likely when she became dizzy. I think she fell against the fork causing the first two puncture wounds and then perhaps fell again while the fork was lying on the floor which caused the four deeper fatal wounds. Amy then crawled towards the door with this fork stuck in her back to seek help, causing the bruising on her knees and injury's to her hands. If she was crawling she was coming from the direction of where the pet carrier was which makes sense.

If Todd had killed her he would have left the hog barn where he and his son were working within minutes of Amy in order to catch her in the red shed. She surely wouldn't have been in the shed for any length of time if she was unable to retrieve the pet carrier. She would have either proceeded to the house or back to the hog barn where Todd and their son were to tell them she was unable to move the pet carrier. If Amy was killed by Todd it would have had to have been within the first ten minutes or so of Amy leaving the hog barn and going to the red shed. I think he would have been out of the hog barn and away from his son for a considerable amount of time. Definitely long enough for his son to notice.

JMO
 
RonImhoff said:
He's calm because he's a sociopath and has no feelings. It's all a show. The guy admitted she was murdered but doesn't know how or who did it? It was either him or his son. The forensic pathologist gave pretty clear evidence that she was murdered, the cameras on the farm we coincidentally not working during the murder, and most of those creepy google searches were at ~3 AM. He claims the pornhub searches were to spice up the bedroom, but if you look at the search history it goes from looking at silencers for guns (which aren't legal for hunting in Iowa) to searching for *advertiser censored* at 3 AM, he's sick.

If you think he isn't guilty, I'm not sure who you think did it, because it obviously wasn't an accident.
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The search time is given in UTC time, which is six hours ahead of CST time. A search done at 03:00 UTC is actually 9:00 PM CST.

Central Standard time starts on the first Sunday of November which is before Amy's death. Central Daylight Time which is during the summer prior to the first Sunday in November is 5 hours behind UTC time. The defense attorney was actually wrong when he said stated the searches were done 5 hours earlier, it should have been 6 hours.
 
morty4185 said:
Yep, or perhaps she was pregnant at the time of the search and had no clue who dad was.

Never understood why someone male or female who enjoys sex with a variety of people decides to get married.
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My thoughts exactly. Seems likely she, or someone in that household, had questions about the paternity of a child. I wonder if they both had questions considering Amy was unfaithful in her marriage to Todd. We only know about the two affairs; she could have easily had others and just hadn’t been caught. I’m sure Todd wondered too. Infidelity in a marriage is not an easy thing to get over - trust me. You want to watch your spouse, you want to check their phone. When you are betrayed like that by your spouse, I think it’s nornal behavior to want to keep an eye out. Especially if you are blind sided by the affair. The suspicion doesn’t just evaporate over night. Trust has to be rebuilt over time. Part of me can understand why Todd was controlling. I’m not here to judge Amy, God rest her soul, but that poor girl had trouble being faithful. RIP Amy. She didn’t deserve to be murdered over in infidelity.
 
I’m pretty torn on this one. I believe the previous statements by Amy that she was afraid for her life are very valid, Todd knew she was having an affair again and this scenario arose that Amy was sent to the shed, in that moment he took the opportunity while she was in the shed with the rake and he had their son as his alibi. A 13 year olds mind is not fully developed, his memories could easily have been manipulated by his father. If son had heard his dad re telling what happened to other family etc then it is likely he would start to remember the events that day as his dad has described. At 13 you are still a child and your thought processes are totally different. We don’t know if his dad told him he’s got to tell this version of the story because if dad goes to prison, son will end up in the care system or with a horrible family. It wouldn’t be that hard to get his son to genuinely believe the story Todd is telling. ‘I never left your side did I son? If I did it was for no longer than 30 seconds I never leave you alone do I?’ Maybe son struggled on the stand because he was genuinely trying to remember what were his actual memories and what were the memories only his dad had told him?

On the other hand the possibility of it being the son is literally a huge red flag. I wonder if, during questioning they ever threw that at him to get a confession kind of like Chris Watts ‘are you protecting someone?’ I can’t see why they wouldn’t have just fessed up if it was son because he’d have a lot less time to serve at his age. It also gives son finding Amy’s body a little more sense if he had knowledge beforehand. As a parent I can sort of understand why Todd would risk his freedom and rest of his life to cover for his son so he can live a life without the ‘murderer’ title hanging over his head.

It’s one or the other IMO Amy did not fall onto that rake she was murdered but I don’t think the state have successfully proved murder beyond reasonable doubt to the court. IMO with the evidence they showed the jury they could have put son on trial for the exact same I mean those web searches? Could well be from an angry son JMO MOO
Hoping Amy gets justice, she did not deserve to die.
 
So please correct me if I'm wrong but the jurors would not vote guilty simply for the 'who else could have done it'? If they can't convict with any other evidence. TIA.
 
BeckyF said:
So please correct me if I'm wrong but the jurors would not vote guilty simply for the 'who else could have done it'? If they can't convict with any other evidence. TIA.
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It shouldn’t be a case of there was no one else there because there was, son could’ve done it but that’s not been mentioned as evidence so that isn’t for the jury to consider.
The defence rebuffed that theory by suggesting other suspects such as JF. The state have the burden of proof, defence don’t have to prove who killed Amy just that Todd did not. A verdict has to be reached beyond reasonable doubt, if it came down to who else could have killed her then I doubt they’d convict on just that I mean who else could’ve killed Caylee Anthony? It’s all down to what each piece of evidence amounts to when it’s all put together but I wouldn’t be surprised if we have a hung jury. JMO MOO
 
Blondiexoxo said:
It shouldn’t be a case of there was no one else there because there was, son could’ve done it but that’s not been mentioned as evidence so that isn’t for the jury to consider.
The defence rebuffed that theory by suggesting other suspects such as JF. The state have the burden of proof, defence don’t have to prove who killed Amy just that Todd did not. A verdict has to be reached beyond reasonable doubt, if it came down to who else could have killed her then I doubt they’d convict on just that I mean who else could’ve killed Caylee Anthony? It’s all down to what each piece of evidence amounts to when it’s all put together but I wouldn’t be surprised if we have a hung jury. JMO MOO
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I would not be surprised at that either. I do not envy this jury. I don't think they have enough to convict although I think he id guilty. JMO
 
During closing argument, defense did provide another theory.
Farm is close to the main road. Cold night.
Defense attorney says "Going back to this weather issue, the doors to the shed are frozen open. They won't close. Is it possible that somebody could have went in that shed and been in there and Amy surprised them? I know that sounds like a murder mystery; but could it?"
Timestamp 11:05:
Law & Crime Network
Todd Mullis Trial Defense Closing Argument
 
Joe Friday said:
The handle of the corn rake was broken. Was it ever discussed if the handle was broken prior to the day Amy was found dead or when or how the handle was broken? Or was the broken portion of the handle found inside the shed?

If the broken off portion of the handle that was not attached to the forks was found inside the shed, it's location might determine where an altercation occurred or where Amy might have fallen and impaled herself.

The narrow area between the large sliding door to the shed and the chemical totes where Amy was found face down on her hands and knee's IMO was not wide enough for someone to swing a corn rake and strike Amy with it. I don't recall if the distance between the door and chemical totes was ever given in testimony. If not, why not? If it wasn't I will chalk that up to the lack of investigation.

The puncture wounds on Amy's body indicate the handle would have been at an angle to the side of Amy's body. This is also backed up by Todd's testimony that he couldn't remove Amy from the shed because the corn rakes handle was coming in contact with the steel caging of the chemical totes. Todd also testified that Amy's head was nearest to the opening in the door and that she was face down on her hands and knees. When he picked her up from under the arm pits with her face in his chest the handle of the corn rake came in contact with the chemical totes preventing him from removing Amy from the shed. This means that the corn rake handle would have had to have been protruding to the left side of Amy's body and the handle facing toward her head. If the handle was facing towards her feet the handle would not have gotten tangled with the chemical totes as he tried to drag her body out of the shed. The handle would have just skipped along the chemical totes the same as as if someone was dragging a stick along a picket fence while walking by. If Any was attacked this would mean that Amy couldn't have been standing up when struck with the rake. She would have had to have been bent over with her attacker to her left and facing her or lying on the ground. If she was attacked there is no way this happened where Amy was found lying on the floor because there is just not enough room. That would mean that she must have been left for dead and crawled to where she was found.

I think this was an accident not a homicide. My theory is the scrape on her chin was the result of falling and hitting her chin on some object likely when she became dizzy. I think she fell against the fork causing the first two puncture wounds and then perhaps fell again while the fork was lying on the floor which caused the four deeper fatal wounds. Amy then crawled towards the door with this fork stuck in her back to seek help, causing the bruising on her knees and injury's to her hands. If she was crawling she was coming from the direction of where the pet carrier was which makes sense.

If Todd had killed her he would have left the hog barn where he and his son were working within minutes of Amy in order to catch her in the red shed. She surely wouldn't have been in the shed for any length of time if she was unable to retrieve the pet carrier. She would have either proceeded to the house or back to the hog barn where Todd and their son were to tell them she was unable to move the pet carrier. If Amy was killed by Todd it would have had to have been within the first ten minutes or so of Amy leaving the hog barn and going to the red shed. I think he would have been out of the hog barn and away from his son for a considerable amount of time. Definitely long enough for his son to notice.

JMO
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BBM. Trystan testified he could tell his mom was getting dizzy when she was in the barn. He said he found her on her hands and knees which supports your theory she was crawling. If Amy had been attacked by someone else, her body would have dropped completely to the floor instead of into a "crouching" position. I think this was an accident; a very freak accident and the tight space in the shed contributed to it. Many do not realize that farming is a very, very dangerous occupation.

JMO
 
Anyone else think it’s possible that Amy was searching some of that stuff while logged into Todd’s account in hopes of using those searches as part of the evidence for why she is so scared and wants a divorce. I, for one, think it’s possible. We already know how Google search history will sync across any number of devices as long as you’re logged into the same google account; I still cannot get over how their detective did not know or believe this when testifying about the search history.
 
SeesSeas said:
During closing argument, defense did provide another theory.
Farm is close to the main road. Cold night.
Defense attorney says "Going back to this weather issue, the doors to the shed are frozen open. They won't close. Is it possible that somebody could have went in that shed and been in there and Amy surprised them? I know that sounds like a murder mystery; but could it?"
Timestamp 11:05:
Law & Crime Network
Todd Mullis Trial Defense Closing Argument
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Wasn't there a case in Iowa earlier in the year where a girl went jogging and was killed by an illegal immigrant? They found her body in a corn field didn't they?

Is there a large illegal immigrant population working the Iowa farms? Did Todd have hired help? That's a large amount of land they own, possible a homeless immigrant had squatted in the red shed and got spooked when Amy walked in?

I know, far fetched....
 
SeesSeas said:
During closing argument, defense did provide another theory.
Farm is close to the main road. Cold night.
Defense attorney says "Going back to this weather issue, the doors to the shed are frozen open. They won't close. Is it possible that somebody could have went in that shed and been in there and Amy surprised them? I know that sounds like a murder mystery; but could it?"
Timestamp 11:05:
Law & Crime Network
Todd Mullis Trial Defense Closing Argument
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Just read your post and agree it is possible someone was squatting in the shed and may have been spooked by Amy entering
 
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