IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #19

[Sunlight]

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If your 'they' is the family why would they immediately think the girls drowned since they said the girls didnt go to the lake?
Not being snarky..... just asking a question.

"They" in my quote is LE. I was talking about Abben's comment about how far the girls may have "wandered". MOO

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yes, but the 11:30 time eventually changed to 12:15. Perhaps Gma had a chance to think about it and realized her original time was incorrect.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/ev...cle_18411a90-cd32-11e1-a656-0019bb2963f4.html

"The girls were last seen riding bikes near downtown Evansale by their grandmother at 12:15 p.m. Friday."

I realise that, my post is in relation to the discussion regarding the clock being an hour out.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Hi Cherie.T...I really appreciate your reply on this subj. as it's the second time I've brought up the possible "one hour earlier" if camera doesn't automatically adjust to DST and nobody manually changes time twice a year. My guess is that the mgr has never even given any thought to what hour the camera reflects.

I feel sure that FBI would have immediately checked to make sure camera was running on the correct hour. (IMO, it most likely did.)

However, if the camera time didn't reflect "springing forward one hour", is there any reason LE would have wanted to withhold that tidbit from the general public????

foxbluff,
Adjusting for DSt! That is a great thought. And could mean a huge difference imoo of the time line.

 

[foxbluff]

The third picture down she has the clear type, wired ones on.

OMG...I still can't see them, but don't worry, I trust you! <fox off to eye Doc>

 

[mahoolin]

OT:

From LivingJuicy:

Sapphire - skip tracing led me to WS!


I usually can find Anyone!!! Except
All these missing kids! :-(


lease: Can you PLEASE find the person the collectors call my house for umpteen times a day or teach me how? Lol, this person must be some slippery kind of dude....and I can't convince them I'm not him and have never heard of him, he's writing bad cks all over the place, and they keep calling ME. :banghead:

sorry back on topic.....

 

[Marilynilpa]

IIRC, the time the girls are seen on the video fits in generally with the last time Gma saw them. I think if the camera was an hour off, LE would have mentioned it, because that would put the girls on the video an hour after Gma last saw them.

Unless I'm missing something here:waitasec:

SapphireSteel, I'm sorry but I can't figure out what you are asking me about my post above.

Someone suggested the camera could have been an hour off. It wasn't my suggestion, just something another poster mentioned.

I'm really, truly not trying to be snarky, I'm just not getting what you're asking. Sorry.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I wanted to bring this over from the other thread.

Posted by eileenhawkeye 9/5/12

still cold years later.
Back, in December, I posted this on Baby Lisa's forum about whether her case is a cold case...

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I went through a few pages of cases, where the victim was found murdered, on the Located forum, to see how long it took until an arrest (if any):

Arrest within 2 weeks of victim being reported missing
Jorelys Rodriguez: 5 days until arrest
Lauren Giddings: 9 days until arrest
Skyler Kauffman: 2 days until arrest
Tyler Dasher: 1 day until arrest
Yashanee Laface Vaughn: 12 days until arrest
Lauren Ackerson: 7 days until arrest
Sian O'Callaghan: 5 days until arrest
Mariha Trenice Smith: 13 days until arrest
Breann Rodriguez: 7 days until arrest

Unsolved
Celina Cass: unsolved for 4 months so far
Sonia Varaschin: unsolved for 15 months so far
Morgan Harrington: unsolved for 2+ years so far
Sylar Newton: unsolved for 15 months so far
Phylicia Barnes: unsolved for almost a year
Kera Freeland: unsolved for 7 months
Lachlan Cranswick: unsolved for 10 months
Kelly Catalano: unsolved for 10 months

1 month or longer until arrest
Michelle Le: 3 months until arrest
Alexis Rasmussen: 2 months until arrest
Kenia Monge: 4 months until arrest
Mackenzie Cowell: 7 months until arrest
ALL the unsolved cases are still unsolved...and you can add (+8 months) to the total time they've been unsolved.

So as you can see, if a case isn't solved relatively quickly, the chance of it ever being solved decreases greatly. We do not see many cases on WS where there are arrests months, or even years, later.

 

[Considering]

The third picture down she has the clear type, wired ones on.

I'm not sure that she has braces. From looking at other pictures of Elizabeth, it appears to me that only one of her permanent upper central incisors has come in and the other upper central incisor is a baby tooth as is the lateral incisor beside it. When she bites down and smiles as she does in the third picture down as in the third photograph down, it gives the appearance of a line (or wire) but I think it's due to the difference in length between the permanent tooth and the baby teeth.

 

[SapphireSteel]

SapphireSteel, I'm sorry but I can't figure out what you are asking me about my post above.

Someone suggested the camera could have been an hour off. It wasn't my suggestion, just something another poster mentioned.

I'm really, truly not trying to be snarky, I'm just not getting what you're asking. Sorry.

<modsnip>

I think it was just crossed wires.

Other posters were talking about the clock being an hour out, I mentioned that gma originally said she saw the girls nearly an hour earlier than the camera said, I thought it was relevant to their discussion.

Of course in my opinion, there is no issue with the time frame. I was just trying to be helpful to others who are thinking out different theories.

:dunno:

 

[GrainneDhu]

Yes, but the 11:30 time eventually changed to 12:15. Perhaps Gma had a chance to think about it and realized her original time was incorrect.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/ev...cle_18411a90-cd32-11e1-a656-0019bb2963f4.html

"The girls were last seen riding bikes near downtown Evansale by their grandmother at 12:15 p.m. Friday."

Or two different reporters asked two different questions.

For instance, if one reporter asked her when was the last time she spoke to the girls, she might give one time. Then another reporter asks her when was the last time she saw the girls, she might give a different time, simply because the two things were different.

There's been a lot of work studying how changes in wording can change the results of polls and also of memory. It's really pretty fascinating. Changes of wording that seem minor can yield very different results.

 

[mahoolin]

I'm not sure that she has braces. From looking at other pictures of Elizabeth, it appears to me that only one of her permanent upper central incisors has come in and the other upper central incisor is a baby tooth as is the lateral incisor beside it. When she bites down and smiles as she does in the third picture down as in the third photograph down, it gives the appearance of a line (or wire) but I think it's due to the difference in length between the permanent tooth and the baby teeth.

Dont have time right now to look, but braces would be mentioned in the description of her wouldnt It on missing posters? If not, it should be.

 

[wenwe4]

The post from eileenhawkeye re: arrests after someone goes missing and solved cases is quite depressing. I know the chances of solving the crime after the first 48 hours decreases exponentially . . . but oh how sad.

These little girls deserve to be found . . . . how is it that people just disappear and are never heard from again? I have not followed this case closely but I hope there are lots of clues out there to follow. Anyone have a quick recap of what we know to date?

 

[foxbluff]

Has anyone's original time statement changed? Just thinkin'. MOO

ETA: Raising eyebrow...

Oh, yessss...you bet...I've been struggling over this for 2 weeks and have another question, but don't know how to articulate it. It probably took me 35-40 minutes to compose my first question...and that time was spent making my post shorter and clearer...Yes, I mean really! LOL I should change my nic to "Rambling Rose."

 

[SapphireSteel]

Oh, yessss...you bet...I've been struggling over this for 2 weeks and have another question, but don't know how to articulate it. It probably took me 35-40 minutes to compose my first question...and that time was spent making my post shorter and clearer...Yes, I mean really! LOL I should change my nic to "Rambling Rose."

Well I for one love your posts.

 

[tlcya]

Or two different reporters asked two different questions.

For instance, if one reporter asked her when was the last time she spoke to the girls, she might give one time. Then another reporter asks her when was the last time she saw the girls, she might give a different time, simply because the two things were different.

There's been a lot of work studying how changes in wording can change the results of polls and also of memory. It's really pretty fascinating. Changes of wording that seem minor can yield very different results.

to continue along your line of thought

One time could be the time girls left for the bike ride, the other the last time they were seen by gma (riding those bikes) say through a window or something.

IDK, just chiming in. It has been so darn long since I picked through the initial statements regarding the timing of events that day I honestly don't recall specific quotes any more.

 

[nursebeeme]

Here we are.. in a brand new thread.. and why am I still seeing posts about the parents... even if they are in a roundabout way? And what is up with the snark?! Everyone is entitled to their opinion but the snark needs to stop.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Or two different reporters asked two different questions.

For instance, if one reporter asked her when was the last time she spoke to the girls, she might give one time. Then another reporter asks her when was the last time she saw the girls, she might give a different time, simply because the two things were different.

There's been a lot of work studying how changes in wording can change the results of polls and also of memory. It's really pretty fascinating. Changes of wording that seem minor can yield very different results.

You're right, of course. Even a subtle change in wording can result in a different response.

 

[pearl]

OT:

From LivingJuicy:

Sapphire - skip tracing led me to WS!


I usually can find Anyone!!! Except
All these missing kids! :-(


lease: Can you PLEASE find the person the collectors call my house for umpteen times a day or teach me how? Lol, this person must be some slippery kind of dude....and I can't convince them I'm not him and have never heard of him, he's writing bad cks all over the place, and they keep calling ME. :banghead:

sorry back on topic.....

A suggestion.
Write a letter to whatever company is doing the calls. Tell them as of receipt of the letter not to contact you again about whoever it is they are looking for. Send the letter return receipt required. That means they will have to sign for it. Then, if the company contacts you again, you can press charges for harrassment. I've done this several times because I have relatives that do not pay their bills and, without my permission, use me as a personal reference.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Dont have time right now to look, but braces would be mentioned in the description of her wouldnt It on missing posters? If not, it should be.

Unless orthodontia has changed radically since I needed it, Elizabeth was very, very young to have braces. When I needed it, orthodontists didn't like to start braces until the child had all adult teeth unless the kid had some sort of really major bite issues.

Part of it is that the child has to be old enough to maintain good mouth hygiene. Another factor is that the braces are uncomfortable, particularly when first put on or when adjusted, so the child has to be old enough to mentally deal with the periodic discomfort without losing the ability to function appropriately in school, etc.

Some of this may have changed recently but still, I'd be surprised if she had braces just based on her age.

 

[nikb]

Unless orthodontia has changed radically since I needed it, Elizabeth was very, very young to have braces. When I needed it, orthodontists didn't like to start braces until the child had all adult teeth unless the kid had some sort of really major bite issues.

Part of it is that the child has to be old enough to maintain good mouth hygiene. Another factor is that the braces are uncomfortable, particularly when first put on or when adjusted, so the child has to be old enough to mentally deal with the periodic discomfort without losing the ability to function appropriately in school, etc.

Some of this may have changed recently but still, I'd be surprised if she had braces just based on her age.

I agree with you, she seems too young. But it's not completely unheard of IMO. Based on my own experience with really, really bad tooth-straightness <ahem> years go, they did consider putting me in braces at around age 8 or 9. The thought was that if the "baby teeth" were straight, it'd help the adult teeth to come in straight. My parents opted not to go with the braces and I think it was the right choice. But depending on Elizabeth's jaw/teeth/etc. maybe it made sense for her to have braces. That said I can't recall seeing them in previous pics, but the newer "clear" ones can be hard to see.

Also, related to an earlier post, I've seen pics of both girls with glasses so I think they wear them sometimes. Maybe not often, or I would think (hope!) it would be on the missing poster, but they do both have glasses.