IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

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The area of his sales and customer base maybe related to the girls ... that could very easily fall within the 20 mile radius of 7 Bridges I was posting about last night...

I agree. I also think it would been the perfect meeting place to make a sale. Perhaps Dan was diluting the meth he was selling with something else such as baby powder, corn starch, etc. as TLCY stated earlier. That could definitely PO a meth user.
 
Unless the other people do not care for the moniker 'angels'...

I guess its better then calling it the devil's playground :( which is what is was the day he took the girls.
 
I have a feeling the whole renovation process discussions within Evansdale have potential to get kind of ugly. :( I understand the community wanting to do something to remember the girls, I really do. But I also feel for the homeowners that surround the lake when it comes to the complete overhaul of the entire island as well. I feel for them when it comes to the interstate traffic sound buffer being completely removed as well. It puts all the homeowners in a very sticky situation when it comes to wanting to speak of any disdain for the idea. I mean, who wants to be the family who speaks out against such a thing? The idea of the memorial is great, but I don't think anyone thought the entire island would be completely leveled to make this happen.

And I don't agree with the commenter who made the remark "where were you during the planning, etc." because we watch all of the information released on MSM about anything related to the girls, and I didn't see any articles where it was mentioned there were meetings (public) anyway to "brainstom" or to "air your concerns" about the project PRIOR to any of the destruction beginning. I really feel that IF it would have been made very public that this was the plan, more people would have voiced their concerns as to what was about to happen on the island.

Great comment 3CK!

This certainly is not an apples-to-apples comparsion, as Lyric and Elizabeth were murdered, but several years ago, during a practice football session in our community, lightening struck the field. One high school senior was killed and many suffered severe injuries, burns, kidney problems, etc. The family of the child killed directly by the lightening strike of course suffered much agony of losing their son. But, they did not tear down the football stadium nor did they did not demand that people be fired for negligence. Near the stadium, they simply planted a beautiful young oak tree and had a bench with a memorial plaque placed near the near the tree so that when that tree is grown it will provide shade for the bench and be a beautiful reminder of a young man whose life was taken much too soon and so tragically.

I understand the Collins do not want their daughter forgotten, but I think a brainstorming session that was announced in advance by radio, newspapers, posters, pastors announcing it at churchs, etc. so that the members of the community would have been better prepared and INFORMED could have perhaps come up with a better solution that would have served the entire community in a more appropriate and less antagonizing, in-your-face decision.
 
I agree. I also think it would been the perfect meeting place to make a sale. Perhaps Dan was diluting the meth he was selling with something else such as baby powder, corn starch, etc. as TLCY stated earlier. That could definitely PO a meth user.

I have heard from numerous people that Seven Bridges Park was a hangout for drug users and underage drinkers.
 
This is a rendering of a gazebo similar to one anticipated to be built on the island at Meyers Lake in memory of abducted cousins Lyric Cook-Morrissey and Elizabeth Collins. (Courtesy Photo)

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http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_68916e91-7a50-5c7e-8de8-c2c2c729afcc.html

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't a project this size require proper licensed landscape designers?

I would definitely think so! I wanted to add I love your little tag on your posts with the police dog being sworn in! Perfect picture, and to be honest, these days, my dog might be the only one I could trust to be perfectly truthful. Thank you for sharing that picture that speaks a thousand words.
 
Not sure what is involved in the planning of something like this. I saw the pic before I read your post, it made me feel good, but then again I absolutely love gazebos. They always felt like a place of peace for me so thank's for the pic.

I love gazebos too skeet! And, maybe by doing this construction while still having freezing weather they saved some little birds lives that weren't in the middle of raising a family. I realize other wildlife probably suffered, squirrels, the foxes, etc. Admittedly, I am torn and confused and no solution. . . I feel for the Evansdale community. :facepalm:
 
Wow... very interesting all the way around... reads more like a segment from the TV show, Without a Trace, doesn't it?

I wonder what day in July, 2012 he got out of jail???

I am so relieved that this little 10 y.o. girl survived this horrible ordeal.

With a Trace - Great show! Frightening too!
 
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Officials-to-Rename-Evansdale-Park-Trail-for-Cousins-189900441.html

Frickson said while the name change were because of the girls, it’s not just for the girls. “We have had the two girls, Elizabeth and Lyric, and then we also lost Lindsay Nichols this past year,” she said, “This is going to be for anyone who lost someone and would like to memorialize one of their angels.”

The article also states that there are a lot of memorials around the lake and throughout the bike trial, according to Jeff Dawson. How long is the bike trial and what other memorials are there?

As far as any environmental concerns, maybe someone could get information from the Chamber of Commerce?

I think its nice that they are naming it Angels Park to include other people.

I agree, Angels Park is nice. I am curious as to how these changes will affect the real estate values in the area around Meyers Lake now. I'm quite sure anyone trying to sell a home in the area would be very pleased with the changes, perhaps. The sounds of the interstate may deter someone seeking a quiet place of solace. Real estate developers may find opportunity to build new housing - not real sure about that since it is a very small area. Probably not much room for more houses. Something to think about though.
 
Just checking in.. Sad, that the memorial island park/gazebos/benches, tree removal etc., has created such community turmoil... It is very disheartening that the focus of awareness has been lost on Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook and deflected to the removal of a few trees. As a nature lover myself, trees can and will be replanted; reborn... Elizabeth and Lyric are forever lost with the exception of their memories..
Imo, the Memorial is an excellent idea, and a reminder that without public safety for our families and especially our children, we have nothing....

Stay Strong (CUE Center: A Tribute to Families of Missing Persons) by Heather Cohen..
https://soundcloud.com/musictykoon/...loud.com/musictykoon/stay-strong-cue-center-a
 
Originally Posted by foxbluff
Wow... very interesting all the way around... reads more like a segment from the TV show, Without a Trace, doesn't it?

I wonder what day in July, 2012 he got out of jail???

I am so relieved that this little 10 y.o. girl survived this horrible ordeal.

foxbluff, due to the CA state's prison new realignment program, known as A.B. 109(2011). I am not convinced that Summers was actually incarcerated in prison in July 2012 as reports indicate. Daniel Martinez; his partner in crime was arrested. Imo, this duo's MO is very rare. Sexual predator duos are also very rare. To enter an inhabited home and abduct a child is very brazen and mirrors the Isabel Celis(AZ 04/2012) abduction case. A neighbor of the Celis's heard two men's voices the morning of her disappearance, If you observe Summer's photo, it seems obvious that he is also meth tweeker.
It would be safe to conclude that this 10 year old child wasn't this child predator duo's first innocent victim..imo..


http://www.cbs8.com/story/21849533/1-suspect-arrested-in-la-abduction-2nd-may-be-in-san-diego
Daniel Martinez, 29, has been booked for investigation of kidnapping, police said Monday. He was being held on $1 million bail after his Sunday arrest in Northridge, the San Fernando Valley area where the girl lives.

Tobias Dustin Summers, a 30-year-old transient with a long criminal record, was identified by authorities over the weekend as a suspect in the case.

The suspect, Tobias Dustin Summers, 30, is a parolee with prior convictions, including possession of explosives, dating back to 2001, when he turned 18 years old, according to police and court records.

Albanese described Summers as a parolee who was under the supervision of the Los Angeles County Department of Probation.

He was reportedly released from custody in July of 2012 under the state's prison realignment program, known as A.B. 109.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...les&id=9047532

The car was parked in front of a Gilmore Street home known to be one of Summers' last known addresses. Summers also lived in a Reseda townhome with his mother about a year ago.
http://www.middlebury.edu/media/view...toryNature.pdf

Serial Offending and Recidivism

Perhaps the most sobering data that have emerged from the study of
incarcerated rapists are the sheer numbers of victims attacked by the average
rapist. Most rapists who are prosecuted are convicted on a single count of rape.
However, when researchers have granted immunity to offenders in exchange for a truthful accounting of their sex offending history the reality of rape emerges. In
one study, the average number of victims for each rapist was seven, and in
another study it was 11.

Offenders tend to have very lengthy offending
careers, beginning in adolescence and often spanning several decades. By the
time they are captured – if they are captured – they have often victimized scores
or even hundred’s of individuals.

These categorizations have rested on the assumption that these choices of victims
were stable, even fixed characteristics of the offenders. However, the labeling of
an offender as either a rapist, a child molester, or an incest offender has typically
been based on nothing more than what the offender was convicted of.

The reality turns out to be far murkier. There is now substantial evidence
for considerable “crossover” among these categories. So much so, in fact, that it is
questionable whether it is advisable to apply specific victim-category labels to an
offender.

Multiple studies have now documented that between 33% and 66% of
rapists have also sexually attacked children; that up to 82% of child molesters
have also sexually attacked adults; and that between 50% and 66% of incest
offenders have also sexually attacked children outside their families.
 
I agree, Angels Park is nice. I am curious as to how these changes will affect the real estate values in the area around Meyers Lake now. I'm quite sure anyone trying to sell a home in the area would be very pleased with the changes, perhaps. The sounds of the interstate may deter someone seeking a quiet place of solace. Real estate developers may find opportunity to build new housing - not real sure about that since it is a very small area. Probably not much room for more houses. Something to think about though.

Yes it is something to think about, I do feel for the people who are opposing it the people around the lake, I'm sure right now all it looks like is an eye sore, who wants to look at that. Maybe the residents (who are opposed) could request a reduction in their property taxes?

By the sound of it though they are taking some trees out that were dying and they are planting new ones (donated). I am sure there are many against this, but since the only way they can do this is through donations it sounds like there are more for it then against.

Trying to find articles on people who are against it I found this one.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/21860971/...-memorial-park-for-murdered-evansdale-cousins
 
Maybe the act of taking down the trees will be a healing metaphor for
chopping down the " boogie monster" in the woods.
A gazebo is lovely imo, hope they keep safety lighting ( and the odd security camera) in mind too.
 
My neighbor planted a tree about 20 years ago. It has grown, but it still a measly thing. Maybe like 5 feet tall? Only a few branches. The truck is thin. It's nothing to look at. So the idea that they can just grow some new trees...Well of course they can...It will just take about 50+ years for them to be somewhat aesthetically pleasing. -_-
 
My neighbor planted a tree about 20 years ago. It has grown, but it still a measly thing. Maybe like 5 feet tall? Only a few branches. The truck is thin. It's nothing to look at. So the idea that they can just grow some new trees...Well of course they can...It will just take about 50+ years for them to be somewhat aesthetically pleasing. -_-

eileenhawkeye, trees rate of growth are dependent on many factors; type of tree, region, rainfall/water source, green thumb, etc. Some trees grow very rapidly.. (Your neighbor may want to reconsider, next time they plant a dwarf tree..LOL)
I am sure all of these factors will be considered and the end results will ease the community's concerns..

The expressway noise barrier issue can be solved by replanting Leland Cypress on the Xpressway right of way, (which are inexpensive and very fast growing).
 
Just checking in.. Sad, that the memorial island park/gazebos/benches, tree removal etc., has created such community turmoil... It is very disheartening that the focus of awareness has been lost on Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook and deflected to the removal of a few trees. As a nature lover myself, trees can and will be replanted; reborn... Elizabeth and Lyric are forever lost with the exception of their memories..
Imo, the Memorial is an excellent idea, and a reminder that without public safety for our families and especially our children, we have nothing....

Stay Strong (CUE Center: A Tribute to Families of Missing Persons) by Heather Cohen..
https://soundcloud.com/musictykoon/...loud.com/musictykoon/stay-strong-cue-center-a

:tyou: :heartbeat: I loved this song. I have not heard it before and it is beautiful.
 
eileenhawkeye, trees rate of growth are dependent on many factors; type of tree, region, rainfall/water source, green thumb, etc. Some trees grow very rapidly.. (Your neighbor may want to reconsider, next time they plant a dwarf tree..LOL)
I am sure all of these factors will be considered and the end results will ease the community's concerns..

The expressway noise barrier issue can be solved by replanting Leland Cypress on the Xpressway right of way, (which are inexpensive and very fast growing).

They have put no thought or consideration into this project so far...What makes anyone think they are going to start now? They have clearly shown they don't give a crap what the community thinks, because if they did, the community would have been able to voice their opinions before all of this started happening. Now it's like: "You don't like it? Too bad! It's done!" Maybe I am mistaken but I believe that every source shows that the community was taken by surprise by the trees being cut down?
 
:tyou: :heartbeat: I loved this song. I have not heard it before and it is beautiful.

Yes, it is beautiful, Bootsctr..
(TN)Heather Cohen wrote and sang it at the recent national CUE conference for missing/murdered persons candle light vigil held on the Cape Fear river.
There wasn't a dry eye on the riverfront..

"Bring Her Home" (Holly Bobo)
Heather Cohen
"Bring Her Home" (Holly Bobo) - YouTube
 
"Board members also gave volunteers the go-ahead to pour concrete pads for the shelter and four gazebos that will be built on the island and designated funds from an annual Green Scene grant be used to purchase trees for the memorial."

corrected link:

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_d2fc0dc1-06be-5ddd-a514-84286f885563.html

(many new comments)

From what I can see, it looks like this project went ahead without much community planning. Here where I live, a project like this would require meetings involving the planning board, architectural review board and neighbors input. Details and plans would have been public for all to see.

Wetlands of any kind must meet DEP requirements.

I had to pay close to $500 for basic permits- signs, CO, etc for a small retail store that was all ready existing--no changes being made. I also had to meet with the building inspector and go before the architectural review board for approval.

It also appears from what I've read, there seems to be some "politics" involved. Was this all done behind closed doors?

Earlier we discussed this, and IIRC there was to be one gazebo, now I see 4 + a shelter. Confusing to say the least. :moo:

Consideration is the key here and there appears to be a lack of it. I see two things here: :moo:
1. Back in December when the bodies were found, a "waiting in the wings" memorial plan was soon put into motion.
2. Politics, behind closed doors, emotional decisions made in haste without public input=disaster. Jmo
 
I have a feeling the whole renovation process discussions within Evansdale have potential to get kind of ugly. :( I understand the community wanting to do something to remember the girls, I really do. But I also feel for the homeowners that surround the lake when it comes to the complete overhaul of the entire island as well. I feel for them when it comes to the interstate traffic sound buffer being completely removed as well. It puts all the homeowners in a very sticky situation when it comes to wanting to speak of any disdain for the idea. I mean, who wants to be the family who speaks out against such a thing? The idea of the memorial is great, but I don't think anyone thought the entire island would be completely leveled to make this happen.

And I don't agree with the commenter who made the remark "where were you during the planning, etc." because we watch all of the information released on MSM about anything related to the girls, and I didn't see any articles where it was mentioned there were meetings (public) anyway to "brainstom" or to "air your concerns" about the project PRIOR to any of the destruction beginning. I really feel that IF it would have been made very public that this was the plan, more people would have voiced their concerns as to what was about to happen on the island.


I simply agree w/everything you've said!

bbm - I am stunned that no public notice of plans to rename/revamp this island were required to appear under legal notices in a local newspaper for abt (6) weeks prior to said meeting.

And, let's admit, even had the public received official notice and elected to attend said meeting, who among them (like us here) could have predicted that turning a naturally wooded area into a park would involve destroying all but abt 12 native trees!?
 
Again, wondering if park development was ever considered before the girls deaths?
 
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