IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #4

[mcdeanie]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/328855/3/Search-for-missing-Iowa-girls-causes-tensions-to-rise
The grandmother said Lyric tried to run away a few days before their disappearance because her father was angry that she didn't do her chores. I don't understand that because I also thought she was not with her dad because of his drug activity???

 

[princesspjs]

Have Elizabeth's parents been questioned? I understand that her mother has a pacemaker, does that cause a problem for them to be interrogated and/or poly'd?

 

[Gottasecret]

IMO no one drowns in this lake because no one would want to swim in it.

Locals: Does anyone actually swim there?

I have lived 2 block from the area the bikes were found for 10 years and frequent the trail. I have only seen 1 person in the lake a few years go. It is not a swimming lake.

Here is a picture of the lake as of noon today.

 

[liz b.]

Because I've been following these cases for so many years, I know I'd have lawyered up before I even took the polygraphs just so I could have one sitting with me. I'd still take the polygraph(maybe) and answer LE questions, but you can bet your sweet behind, I'm not going down for something I had nothing to do with because some small town cops want to solve a case quickly.

Respectfully,
The FBI are not "small town cops ".... JMO

 

[Morethenrubies]

Would six feet of water really be a problem? I could see if they were going down 50'... So if one flies to a vacation spot, they should not use the hotel pool for 24 hours after arriving or before departing?

I believe diving is different then swimming because of how long you stay under?

 

[threecrazykids]

I don't understand how Dan's alibi couldn't have already been cleared. He stated he was at his house taking a nap. Misti stated when she got the call that Lyric was missing that she (or the grandma, I don't remember) had called Dan. I don't remember if she said they went and got him or if someone else had gone and gotten him. He was also to have been with Dylin (sp), Lyric's older brother.

1. Cell phone pings would have indicated if he was indeed in the area he stated he was.
2. Would the older brother REALLY cover up the fact that his dad wasn't with him at the time?
3. If he and Misti had been on the outs (given her reasoning that his drug use was what was behind their separation) AND the fact that he'd been charged with assault against her - I just don't see her facing the media as a united front if she thought for one second he had anything to do with her disappearance.

I don't see how (given the timeline) that the dad, with no car, could have possibly pulled this off himself.

All this is just in response to the police comment that they had proof he did it.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I should ammend my previous post by saying that guilty or not, having a lawyer for any police interview is important. The lawyer limits your statements to avoid making conflicting ones. These conflicting statements may be made out of confusion or shock, but have the potential to be severely damaging later.

 

[SyraKelly]

My feeling on this lawyer thing is this-These people know the system-they've been involved in it for yrs now-If they had something to hide-I would think they would have said-I want a lawyer at their first/maybe second interview when this happened-they know how cops work-but they did not do that-they spoke candidly & took polys for how many days now.Now we hear the agents are pounding on their hotel door-demanding they talk again-I would get a lawyer at this stage to!!
JMOOC

 

[jadejazzkayla]

It does appear that DM and MCM are being targeted. After all, they confiscated computers and searched the attic where MCM was living, but no mention of them doing this at the Collins residence.

I believe this is a case where LE is manipulating what information they ask the media to print and what information they ask them not to print in an attempt to, as you say, "target" an individual. Time will tell if this behavior continues.

can you imagine a police dept who would NOT ask the Collins' if their computers could be forensically tested? I can't.

I think we will find the Collins; family agreed to have their computers (if they have any) checked and that this information has not been made public.

 

[sweetpea33]

Being a member of WS has forced me to, painfully, reflect on what I would do if my child went missing. I honestly believe that if, God forbid, my girl was taken, I would be so desperate and feel so helpless, I would throw myself willingly at the police. I would do whatever they said, blindly, without any thought of future repercussions or accusations. I sincerely believe I would allow them to strap me to a chair and pull out my fingernails, if I thought it would convince them I knew nothing and make them refocus their attention on the real perp. Rationally, logically, I know that this is not the smart thing to do, but my need to have ANY and ALL help from people who may be able to bring her home would be so overwhelming that my own welfare would become a moot point. However, I have not had any previous run-ins with LE so I cannot say how I would feel if past interactions had left me with a bad taste in my mouth or with a less than steller impression of LE's competence. Eventually, if she were not found safely soon, I may start to doubt their ability, especially if they continued to focus their attention on me (and I knew I was innocent), but it would take time for me to hire a lawyer. While I agree from a purely objective stance that hiring a lawyer in these cases is a smart thing to do, I have to say, it does cast doubt in my mind.

That being said, I don't think, from the surface, mom or dad had anything to do with the girls' disappearance. I think the police are doing what they need to in order to rule them out. And, I think that the parents alerting MSM to their past legal troubles speaks volumes about their desire to bring the girls home safely.

I also think that in these cases the parents feel so unequipped to handle the situation that they begin taking advice from well-meaning relatives and friends telling them that the police have no right to do such and such and that they need representation. I think at this point the parents are floundering, looking for anything to hold on to, and hiring a lawyer may not have been their initial instinct.

I am not convinced that the parents were involved either, but I do feel the disclosure of their criminal past has more to do with the fact that anybody can look up any Iowa residents record on line (an that is fairly common knowledge) and the rumors were already flying. I think they came forward with it because they knew it was only a matter of time before it became public knowledge and then it would REALLY look like they had some thing to hide in the public's eye.
they have had HUGE local public support, and I am sure they didn't want to lose that. I do feel that LE has every right to question them anyway they see fit. the goal of everyone is to bring those girls home safely and alive.

 

[robo_geek2]

The less you say to police, the better off you are. They may be caught making inconsistent statements or may have failed some part of their polygraph tests. Or the police, could just really be focused on the parents due to their criminal histories and they are playing the statistics.

BUT...

If I were in that situation, and innocent, I would let the police waterboard me, and I would say 'bring it on'.

I would die from the exhaustion of searching for my children before complaining that they damaged my cell phone (as Misty did).

I would give them my computers and cell phones in a pile on the front lawn and say here, take them all, I have nothing to hide.

I need to go search for my child, now help me find him or get the _____ out of the way. I would warn the police too, that if someone harmed my child, they had better find the guy before I do, because he would shortly get to determine what happens in the afterlife.

 

[liz b.]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...IUu9sw?docId=bef8f243028f4bef8cfd3a5a8bd13ff2


bbm:

it is Aunt Tammy telling the reporters this stuff... The police are saying differently

I think right now it would be a good idea for the family to perhaps get a spokesperson that is neutral to the situation.

I personally don't think the attorney bit means anything but these reports with Tammy saying things are not going to help in the long run imhoo

I'm pretty sure that I read yesterday that the family had gotten a local businessman to act as their spokesman... Don't recall his name,though... MOO

 

[nursebeeme]

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdale_search/

live chat saying the patriot guard is there to do a prayer at the lake

http://www.patriotguard.org/

they are awesome people! Mister nurse was casualty assistance officer at fort leavenworth and these guys would come and defend military funeral processions from the westboro baptist church demonstrators.

 

[epiphany]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/328855/3/Search-for-missing-Iowa-girls-causes-tensions-to-rise
The grandmother said Lyric tried to run away a few days before their disappearance because her father was angry that she didn't do her chores. I don't understand that because I also thought she was not with her dad because of his drug activity???

Maybe. Maybe not.

"The children weren't exposed to those people. They were pretty much, for the most part, kept away from there and Misty would kick Dan out when she suspected (drug) usage," Brousseau [Tammy] said.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/up...128-11e1-af57-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz216Mt0pZq

 

[LisaB]

If the girls went into the lake voluntarily, they would have removed their shoes and left those on shore.

Around here, most kids wear "water shoes" if they are swimming in a lake or pond or the ocean. I personally never even knew there WAS such a thing until recently. I guess they protect you from stepping on anything sharp? I know I never had such a thing, nor did my daughter... but if the girls usually DID wear them, they may have just left their shoes on to protect the soles of their feet...

 

[SapphireSteel]

They are not in the lake.

If they were, only one would be missing.

The statistical likliehood of two girls, both of whom could swim, one of whom was quite strong, getting trapped and drowning in a lake at the same time, silently and unseen, is just not credible. At their ages there would've been yelling, struggling, splashing, screaming.

I am glad they are draining it but believe they may well be looking for evidence, not bodies.

 

[Evan's Mom]

Respectfully,
The FBI are not "small town cops ".... JMO

Respectfully, I wasn't talking about the FBI. I was talking about the small town cops. I am aware of the difference
I understand the FBI is involved, but often they come in for a while and then leave it with local law enforcement and become available from a distance.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Re the lawyers - if the family have been in legal trouble before, they probably already HAVE a lawyer...and a high degree of suspicion of LE motives.

 

[sweetpea33]

I agree with SyraKelly...both DM and MCM have been around the system to know if they were involved to get a lawyer pronto...

 

[LucyOso]

Would six feet of water really be a problem? I could see if they were going down 50'... So if one flies to a vacation spot, they should not use the hotel pool for 24 hours after arriving or before departing?

It is more of the issue of using pressurized SCUBA gas that is going into the body at a higher pressure than the surface pressure combined with the pressure of the water around them. Using a pool is not an issue as you do not have a tank with high amounts of pressured gases going into your lungs. While 6 feet of water may not seem an issue, sometimes methane builds up during a high elevation flight, even in a pressured cabin, because cabin pressure in an airplane is not maintained at sea level. But, the first thing, if they are searching in the lake it is a recovery effort and the safety of the divers is priority.

http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/m..._Illness_What_Is_It_and_What_Is_The_Treatment

Decompression sickness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IMOO