IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[cody22]

I don’t know him either, but his crime says it all. It isn’t a stretch to determine that someone who hunts, assaults, abducts, and murders an innocent victim, represents an ever present danger to the community.

Well, he is locked up for murder, after taking LE to a body, so he has at least one bad quality about him, that LE doesn't like.

 

[gliving]

At this time, there's nothing to connect the suspect to any criminal activity. We do know that the suspect knows how to abduct a woman, drive her to a remote area, assault her, murder her, successfully hide the body, and show up for work in the morning as though nothing happened. That means that there will not be a lot to work with except perhaps a DNA connection.

Israel Keyes is definitely one of the most sophisticated serial killers we've seen. He didn't have much of an education either, but he was meticulous with planning. He was also brazen, relied on blitz attack, and was merciless.

We should look into bank robberies.

 

[MassGuy]

This might be his first murder, but it would be a mistake to think that it would be his last.

Absolutely. And it would also be a mistake to assume that this was his first crime, especially in regard to women.

 

[MyBelle]

And as we now know, no one thought he acted out of character

No one that would admit or turn him in, I should say.

I sincerely doubt anyone he worked with would have admitted it.

 

[MassGuy]

I sincerely doubt anyone he worked with would have admitted it.

It likely depends a great deal on if the people he worked with, were in a similar situation to him (immigration wise). You don’t want to draw attention to yourself, especially if you merely have suspicion.

 

[kpm]

I sincerely doubt anyone he worked with would have admitted it.

Exactly why I said no one who would admit or turn him in

Sad as it is they most likely don’t want to risk it

 

[MyBelle]

It likely depends a great deal on if the people he worked with, were in a similar situation to him (immigration wise). You don’t want to draw attention to yourself, especially if you merely have suspicion.

I agree. That employer was in a very hot spotlight.

 

[Jaclin]

Yes that’s certainly possible. On the other hand it might be there was nothing at all known about CR that ever gave indication that he was capable of committing such an atrocity.

My immediate thought when I read those type of it-could-of-been-me media reports is if CR was aggressive or creepy and they felt even remotely in danger, why didn’t any of those other females report the incident to police at the time it happened?

even if they didn't report it at the time, you'd think the story of MT going missing on a jog would stir up these memories and make CR a POI ahead of WC. It just seems like even after MT went missing, nobody said anything until CR was already named. It took the police having to find him by the car he was driving. I guess hindsight is 20/20. I also think, if he escalated from creeping to killing and had gotten away with it, he would have done it again.

 

[kpm]

I agree. That employer was in a very hot spotlight.

First reports out from neighbors was that it’s a revolving door of workers there.

 

[otto]

And as we now know, no one thought he acted out of character

No one that would admit or turn him in, I should say.

It's a bit of a concern that he was able to pull off such a violent, horrific crime against a young woman, and immediately afterward he carried on business as usual. On that basis, as well as other factors, I find it hard to believe that this was his first murder.

 

[gliving]

My point was that this guy would have been a continued threat, and this wasn’t a “one off” event. This wasn’t simply a mistake, this was rooted far deeper than that.

He'd certainly be a continued threat. Do you think he planned to rape her or murder her? There was nothing consensual when he went after her. Evil to the core.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

It's a bit of a concern that he was able to pull off such a violent, horrific crime against a young woman, and immediately afterward he carried on business as usual. On that basis, as well as other factors, I find it hard to believe that this was his first murder.

He was very comfortable with killing her and chatting with people about it, putting the blame on other people. Very cold and calculating.

 

[otto]

I sincerely doubt anyone he worked with would have admitted it.

I'm pretty sure that all of the people he lived with would have been very happy to turn him in and receive the $400,000 reward money, but they simply didn't know that he was involved in the murder.

 

[MassGuy]

He'd certainly be a continued threat. Do you think he planned to rape her or murder her? There was nothing consensual when he went after her. Evil to the core.

I definitely think he planned to rape her. Whether the murder was planned beforehand, or it happened in the spur of the moment, I can’t even venture a guess.

 

[MyBelle]

I'm pretty sure that all of the people he lived with would have been very happy to turn him in and receive the $400,000 reward money, but they simply didn't know that he was involved in the murder.

Mollie was dead. The reward had a condition that she must be alive.

 

[kpm]

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It's a bit of a concern that he was able to pull off such a violent, horrific crime against a young woman, and immediately afterward he carried on business as usual. On that basis, as well as other factors, I find it hard to believe that this was his first murder.

The only indication that he was different came from the store clerk, that he hadn’t been in lately, IIRC, but they see people all day and it’s not uncommon not to see people or find it unusual.

His co-workers are not going to report him, that’s a given, they are in contact with him all day, everyday. I’d be willing to bet they saw something out of the norm

His GF and family, his family said he was normal and even talked about the missing girl


How does one escalate so quickly with no signs?

 

[TL4S]

It's a bit of a concern that he was able to pull off such a violent, horrific crime against a young woman, and immediately afterward he carried on business as usual. On that basis, as well as other factors, I find it hard to believe that this was his first murder.

Do we know for a fact he went to work the next day? I might have missed it in MSM, but I have wondered about that.

 

[kpm]

Do we know for a fact he went to work the next day? I might have missed it in MSM, but I have wondered about that.

It was in an article that he was at work the next day, I’m just to lazy to search for it right now.

 

[Jaclin]

I don’t think anybody here is giving him the benefit of the doubt, and I for one certainly couldn’t care less about his feelings. Nobody doubts his guilt, nobody feels sorry for him.

That said, there’s no reason to twist his history before the murder into a narrative that says he must have been a creepy stalker monster all along and probably planned this for years. He doesn’t seem to be that way at all. He could be the guy that lives right down the street from you that smiles and waves when you run into him at the grocery store. And that should scare the hell out of you more than any monster you were hoping to find.

I think waving at everyone is silly myself, so CR not participating in the community greeting is no biggie to me, especially since he didn't grow up there.
I think he was creepy stalker for quite some time, but I don't think he planned to kill until he realized he'd gone to far and she was going to report him.

 

[Jaclin]

I saw the same thing. Very cold. No emotion. Not much in his eyes at all. I was surprised when some posters actually said he looked scared or " terrified" because the poor guy didn't understand what was going on!

agree. if it were me in his place, I'd look more like his ex looked. CR showed no emotion.