ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 71

[iamshadow21]

How did he find the house?

I don't think it's likely he approached the housemates, or crashed one of their parties. I think if he had, we may have heard about it by now. Like others have said, his age relative to the victims and his unsettling demeanour would have made him memorable, and unwelcome at an undergraduate party.

I think he did like Bundy (in his home invasion attacks) and DeAngelo did. I think he picked a neighbourhood full of people who looked like his preferred victim. I think he prowled and stalked in the late night and early morning hours. I think he got a feel for which houses were more or less secure, how people came and went from them, and when. I think the first time he actually physically approached them was when he'd broken into their home with a weapon and was killing them.

MOO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I’m sure he would be looking for easy targets. It’s interesting that it has been reported that the house was historically known as an extremely socially active house.

Could he have been inside when someone else lived there?

I don't think so, really. He was not in the area for all that long.

 

[debbiediablo]

Sounds right.

If he saw a light on initially, why not wait longer so there is a greater chance they are sleeping deep? Maybe the lights were only on the first pass, so he waited 1/2 hour? And he didn't see the door dash. Just thinking while I type.

I also wonder about Xana. Would she turn a light on to go retrieve her food or to eat it?

JMO

Xana's window opened to the north; Maddie's and Kaylee's third floor windows opened to the south. It's possible BCK didn't see Xana's light was on from the parking area south of the house (or maybe it wasn't on) or perhaps he initially planned only to target those on the third floor.

 

[RonSwanson33]

Most of us have seen the real estate images and video, very early on in this case. But attending a party at the victims' home could also explain why BK's DNA is in the home, if found in the house in other location than the knife sheath.

On a knife sheath next to Maddie? No.

 

[Boxer]

On a knife sheath next to Maddie? No.

Agree.

 

[maskedwoman]

MOO.
So they had a knife hanging around the house that he fooled with at a party?

Please forgive me if it looks like I took this too literally. But your question took me down an interesting rabbit hole. Trying to think like a young man who is an astounding flop with the ladies rather than my middle-aged female self here: Coming to a party, or even hearing one discussed where the code was shared might explain a lot if the trial scenario turns out to be that he used the code to gain entry. I still shudder thinking about how many people apparently knew that code. That's going to end up in a horror movie one of these days.

It's especially interesting if he really was hanging around at their school's student union. He could have heard the code there. No one converses with their friends as if a mass murderer were standing at their shoulder. Although I do see the code as something to be texted rather than called out at the student union. With all we know about him, I can't imagine him lasting very long at their party without creeping the girls out or asking inappropriate questions and getting run off. I can totally see how that might end with him watching their parties from afar, then eventually coming after them. It could also explain why (if true) he slid into their DMs, trying to continue that contact. And them going Eewwwww and ignoring him. Personally, I would have blocked him, but to each their own.

Even if one of them kept a knife for protection (a taser seems more geared toward young ladies), I can't see any of those lovely young women keeping their enormous self-protection knife laying around the house where someone else could grab and use it. It would be close at hand, on a bedside table or under their pillow. And I really don't see him ever getting into one of their bedrooms. Just trying to expand my thought process on this case. Please everyone feel free to give me your thoughts on this. It's not even MOO, it's just me theorizing.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I'm sure there are plenty of them on a college campus.

And had a different one been the crime scene, the same could be said of that one. My point is that if he targeted the house, it's likely that the reason he knew about it is because it's a party house. MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Not invited. Maybe tried to get into it, but really it’s as the OP said these are age homogenous closed parties, even more so at Greek parties. Don’t think an old wired dude would get past the door.

Well, I didn't say invited. I just said he could have showed up. I could be wrong, but I get the impression that these parties weren't necessarily closed to an exclusive guest list. These weren't Greek parties. Sounds more like they were just a place where people may show up uninvited or bring people who weren't invited. MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

MOO it’s more likely that a “study” house is unusual or notable.

I don't follow. Why does it have to be unusual or notable?

 

[gliving]

An account believed to belong to Ethan's sister-in-law made several posts online before the arrest affidavit was unsealed for suspected quadruple killer Bryan Kohberger.

The court document detailed how surviving roommate Dylan Mortensen came face to face with a masked man on the night of the murders.

Ethan, 20, his girlfriend Xana Kernodle, 20, and Maddie Mogen, 21, and Kaylee Goncalves, 20, were all killed as they slept in the house on November 13.

His sister-in-law has since revealed that Dylan, who was in the property at the time of the killings along with Bethany Funke, called all of the roommates after she heard 'screaming and crying' coming from their rooms.

Posting in a thread on Reddit, she said: 'D supposedly called all the girls in the house after the crying and screaming stopped and no one answered – and she still didn't call the police.

Family of Ethan Chapin question why Dylan Mortensen didn't call cops

An account believed to belong to Ethan's sister-in-law made several posts online before the arrest affidavit was unsealed for suspected quadruple killer Bryan Kohberger.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[maskedwoman]

Are you talking about innocent people who are detained (not free to leave) or arrested by police?

Should lawyer up at that point. Cops can twist your words, not be accurate in a report, etc...

They tend to make false allegations against you and they are allowed to lie to you all the time.

"You are on camera at the scene."

But not true.

"Your partner says you did it"

But not true.

You're absolutely right that they are allowed to lie to you. But if I knew there was no way I could possibly be on said camera, I don't think I could resist telling them that is not remotely possible on my way out the door. Of course, when they come across country and break down the your parents' door in the wee hours, the only questions you're getting are the "you're a suspect" kind.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

He could have seen a group of lovely young women and followed them. He could have seen Insta posts.

Well sure. But everything is a "could" right now. No one really knows. It's all just speculation.

 

[iamshadow21]

An account believed to belong to Ethan's sister-in-law made several posts online before the arrest affidavit was unsealed for suspected quadruple killer Bryan Kohberger.

The court document detailed how surviving roommate Dylan Mortensen came face to face with a masked man on the night of the murders.

Ethan, 20, his girlfriend Xana Kernodle, 20, and Maddie Mogen, 21, and Kaylee Goncalves, 20, were all killed as they slept in the house on November 13.

His sister-in-law has since revealed that Dylan, who was in the property at the time of the killings along with Bethany Funke, called all of the roommates after she heard 'screaming and crying' coming from their rooms.

Posting in a thread on Reddit, she said: 'D supposedly called all the girls in the house after the crying and screaming stopped and no one answered – and she still didn't call the police.

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Family of Ethan Chapin question why Dylan Mortensen didn't call cops

An account believed to belong to Ethan's sister-in-law made several posts online before the arrest affidavit was unsealed for suspected quadruple killer Bryan Kohberger.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Still sounds like speculation and social media rumour to me. I'm sorry for her loss, but this doesn't prove anything, especially not any kind of action or inaction D would have to answer for.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

An account believed to belong to Ethan's sister-in-law made several posts online before the arrest affidavit was unsealed for suspected quadruple killer Bryan Kohberger.

The court document detailed how surviving roommate Dylan Mortensen came face to face with a masked man on the night of the murders.

Ethan, 20, his girlfriend Xana Kernodle, 20, and Maddie Mogen, 21, and Kaylee Goncalves, 20, were all killed as they slept in the house on November 13.

His sister-in-law has since revealed that Dylan, who was in the property at the time of the killings along with Bethany Funke, called all of the roommates after she heard 'screaming and crying' coming from their rooms.

Posting in a thread on Reddit, she said: 'D supposedly called all the girls in the house after the crying and screaming stopped and no one answered – and she still didn't call the police.

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Family of Ethan Chapin question why Dylan Mortensen didn't call cops

An account believed to belong to Ethan's sister-in-law made several posts online before the arrest affidavit was unsealed for suspected quadruple killer Bryan Kohberger.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ethan has a sister-in-law?

 

[iamshadow21]

Ethan has a sister-in-law?

Are either of his sibs married? I mean, it's not unheard of at 20, but a bit strange for a college freshman.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Are either of his sibs married? I mean, it's not unheard of at 20, but a bit strange for a college freshman.

Right. And I thought both were involved in Greek life, which is also unusual for married folks, though not unheard of.

I think the story would sound more plausible if it were an aunt, his sister, or some other member of the family.

 

[gliving]

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Ethan has a sister-in-law?

It appears Ethan has a step brother and sister in law

Obituary for Ethan Chapin at Hawthorne Funeral Home

Ethan, a triplet, was born first at 443 pm on a beautiful Tuesday evening in October. He was born at Swedish Hospital in Seattle. Maizie arrived shortly after at 444 and Hunter at 445. Our family spent the first year and half living in Olympia at Summit Lake and then

www.hawthornefh.com

 

[iamshadow21]

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It appears Ethan has a step brother and sister in law

Obituary for Ethan Chapin at Hawthorne Funeral Home

Ethan, a triplet, was born first at 443 pm on a beautiful Tuesday evening in October. He was born at Swedish Hospital in Seattle. Maizie arrived shortly after at 444 and Hunter at 445. Our family spent the first year and half living in Olympia at Summit Lake and then

www.hawthornefh.com

Okay, good to know. I was not aware of that, only of the triplet sibs. Thank you, @gliving .

 

[gliving]

From the probable cause, BF and DM's phone use helped time the murders to between 4:00 am and 4:25 am:

"The combination of D.M.'s statements to law enforcement, reviews of forensic downloads of records from B.F. and D.M.'s phone, and video of a suspect video as described below leads investigators to believe the homicides occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 am."

Read the affidavit on how investigators identified the Idaho killings suspect | CNN

Idaho officials have publicly released court documents -- including a probably cause affidavit -- in prosecutors' case against Bryan Kohberger, who faces four counts of first-degree murder and one count of burglary in the killings of four University of Idaho undergraduate students.

www.cnn.com

@iamshadow21 Agree, DM's eight hour wait to call 911 doesn't change anything.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Going to ask again because the thread is moving fast. Many pages ago, someone mentioned BF's recall of what she heard that night and where DM and BF slept. Where can I find this? Or can someone summarize for me what BF heard? The PCA doesn't say that DM left her 2nd floor room where she initially saw the killer. Did she leave to go to the first floor? Can anyone clarify?