ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 11

[GGbankster]

I might if my first thought was that they'd all been drinking - or drugging. But I could definitely picture them trying X's room (did they even know E was staying over?), calling a friend (or perhaps calling E's brother), and only then thinking about the girls upstairs. When they finally called 911, I'll bet the dispatcher initially either suspected an OD or carbon monoxide, too

If you live with 4 roommates and you find one of them suspiciously unconscious, who do you call first ?
1. Roommates who also live in the house
2. Friends who doesn’t live in the house
3. 911

I was thinking since last night if this is significant. I know LEs are not under any obligations to share details of events, but everything has been so vague and confusing thus far. I was confident yesterday that they have a poi but now I feel that this may go cold and unsolved for a while, idk and I hope I’m wrong.

 

[annpats]

If these blue prints are entirely correct then the killer would have no stairs to access the third floor from the second.

Then how do people get from the 2nd floor to the 3rd floor, if not by stairs?

 

[annpats]

If you live with 4 roommates and you find one of them suspiciously unconscious, who do you call first ?
1. Roommates who also live in the house
2. Friends who doesn’t live in the house
3. 911

If I found them unconscious, then #1 first.

But if I found them unconscious in a pool of blood having been stabbed multiple times, then #3.

 

[seasideForest]

The trouble is, it does not work that way. LE are not authorized to declare death. And until death is declare, EMS is obligated to treat. While it is understandable that it was a very bloody scene, the response here was unusual in my opinion.

OK. I stand corrected. Maybe I'm misremembering anyway.

P.S. I deleted the post you're referring to so that nobody else ends up wasting time and effort responding. It's good to get extraneous stuff off these threads imho.

 

[Hexe]

If you live with 4 roommates and you find one of them suspiciously unconscious, who do you call first ?
1. Roommates who also live in the house
2. Friends who doesn’t live in the house
3. 911

The surviving roommates and the 911 caller were cleared by the LE. Also it was said here earlier that most probably the "unconscious" part is the 911 dispatch lingo, and not what the caller actually reported. The fact the dispatch sent the LE there points towards them being informed that it was a crime scene.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

This is going to vary from place to place, I think, but in a small town, I think it would be typical that the nearest available first responders would respond. Law enforcement often finds themselves in a position to render medical aid before the ambulance arrives.

I also wonder if 911 dispatcher instructed them to do something (open door, is person breathing etc.) so the caller maybe took a closer look, saw blood or a pool of and freaked out - which would explain why call isn't being released and the change from EMS to LE.

I think 911 dispatchers usually have protocol instructions for callers depending on the traums? Check airway of debilitated person, do they see in visible trauma, do not move the person, etc.

 

[TKG]

Has there been any information released regarding the calls made by K&M between 2:26 and 2:52? I know there were 10 total, have we heard if J tried to call back? I know they said it was normal for her to power call but it seems abnormal if there was no call back to see what was going on? If someone you didn't want to speak to called 7 times, meh. 3 more by a roommate would entice most to call back....

 

[layer]

I made a mistake, I wanted to write they were stabbed, not slashed.

Dangit, I thought we had some breaking news.

 

[GGbankster]

The surviving roommates and the 911 caller were cleared by the LE. Also it was said here earlier that most probably the "unconscious" part is the 911 dispatch lingo, and not what the caller actually reported. The fact the dispatch sent the LE there points towards them being informed that it was a crime scene.

Oh I know they were cleared. I’m in no way accusing them, I also believe roommates didn’t do it.

I really am curious if they heard something but was too scared to come out of their bedroom.

 

[simple man77]

This Crime Was I Belive A Result Of Rage Crime Of Passion Insult Was Also A Factor Of Someone Being Dumped For Someone Else Key Factors In This Crime Has Many Factors Remember This What I Have Learned Is At A Crime Scene Who What When Where And Why Will Answers Remain Ouestion ! Do You Have A Blood Trail From The Crime Scene Why Do You Believe a K Bare Knive Was Used Why Is The Chief of police Only A Captian Why Is The FBI Not Giving Updates To News Media

 

[Dr. Farce]

The trouble is, it does not work that way. LE are not authorized to declare death. And until death is declare, EMS is obligated to treat. While it is understandable that it was a very bloody scene, the response here was unusual in my opinion.

That is up to the state. I am previous LE and you are allowed to dismiss EMS when death is readily apparent and obvious. Granted that applies to my States laws, unsure of Idaho statutes.

EDIT : Idaho Statutes do not require EMS to declare death.

Section 19-4301A – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

Section 19-4301 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Why were they in a hurry from the food truck ? Their ride was waiting? I think it’s someone from the bar Didn’t they have a axe and knife throwing place downtown I heard

That's an interesting thought... the axe and knife throwing place. Would a knife lover frequent there as a regular I wonder?

 

[bonniejeanne17]

Wow, where did you hear that?

Xana's father said her wounds were "bruises and tears" when she fought back.

So, maybe, slashing AND stabbing?

 

[layer]

Didn’t they have a axe and knife throwing place downtown

That would be soooooo Idaho!

 

[PetDetective]

It looks like blood, not rust.
That shows how awful the crime scene must have been. There's no way I could handle seeing it.

That’s because I’d say there is a 99% chance that photo was edited to make it appear to be blood. It didn’t make sense to me, so I went searching for another photo of that wall and found one.

First photo is the original, second one is zoomed in to the area I believe matches the area of the supposed dripping blood and the third is the photo of “dripping blood”

 

[debirlfan]

If you live with 4 roommates and you find one of them suspiciously unconscious, who do you call first ?
1. Roommates who also live in the house
2. Friends who doesn’t live in the house
3. 911

Well, in this case apparently E's brother lives very close by. I could definitely see the initial thought being along the lines of: "@#$&@, they ran over to meet the brother, and forgot to turn off the blankblank alarm!" - then when the brother denies seeing them, THEN they go check on the other roommates. Remember, downstairs roommates may have partied the night before, too, and might have been half asleep and/or hung over.

 

[lissaelle]

That’s because I’d say there is a 99% chance that photo was edited to make it appear to be blood. It didn’t make sense to me, so I went searching for another photo of that wall and found one.

First photo is the original, second on is zoomed in to the area I believe matches the area of the supposed dripping blood and the third is the photo of “dripping blood”
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This just makes me think fresh blood verse dried blood

 

[ArmChairDet]

That's an interesting thought... the axe and knife throwing place. Would a knife lover frequent there as a regular I wonder?

Been to these places. Usually business team building crowd out for laughs.

 

[PetDetective]

This just makes me think fresh blood verse dried blood

No way. I made one transparent and layered it over the other. It doesn’t match up like it should. Also, by the time news crews were taking photos, that blood would not have been that fresh.

 

[debirlfan]

The trouble is, it does not work that way. LE are not authorized to declare death. And until death is declare, EMS is obligated to treat. While it is understandable that it was a very bloody scene, the response here was unusual in my opinion.

If it was very obvious that the four were dead, I would think the police would want the smallest possible number of people walking thru their crime scene.