ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 11

[Chestnutsunfish]

Won’t let me play because of region. Any aussies got a link?

 

[Mofranjo]

I predict this will be an unsolved mystery.

Why were they in a hurry from the food truck ? Their ride was waiting? I think it’s someone from the bar Didn’t they have a axe and knife throwing place downtown I heard

 

[FruitTingles]

I wonder if DM know for sure where the victims were found, I thought LE said they weren’t releasing this info. Have they and I’ve missed it?

Blueprints show where each Idaho student was found stabbed to death

Unearthed blueprints and layout plans of the off-campus house where four Idaho college students were brutally stabbed to death reveal where each of the friends were found slain earlier this month.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[x_files]

Not been debunked AFAIK, its not been confirmed by LE either. I cant find the link so this is just my opinion but I think the coroner lady was asked about it and she did say it was blood and she was then asked if it came from a bedroom and she agreed.

It looks like blood, not rust.
That shows how awful the crime scene must have been. There's no way I could handle seeing it.

 

[ss90]

No one will know for sure until we hear the 911 call.

If the call was initially a “omg send help quickly!” with no specifics the operator may just send everyone. And when they finally nail down what’s going on they can go back and code it. But this doesn’t seem like the case.

A call coded as “Unconscious Person” doesn’t necessarily mean the caller didn’t give other signs or evidence that something more nefarious happened. 911 operators are trained to look for certain signs that there may be more there than the caller realizes. Could they have seen bloody footprints or finger prints on or outside of the door? Could they see evidence of blood coming from under the door and assumed it was a suicide? Could they have told the operator that they saw something strange in the house the night before and initially dismissed it?

Honestly just saying “His/her car is outside and this is really unlike this person to sleep this late” is probably enough to send LE and EMT/Fire. And if LE are closest (they are not stationary at a station so this is often the case). They’ll be the first on the scene.

Another thing to keep in mind is that every town/city/county structures their first responder and dispatch systems different.

In some larger cities there are dedicated EMS and ambulatory services. A Separate and distinct service from police and fire.

In other places EMTs are part of the fire department. So you get a fire truck along with an ambulance.

In places with limited resources EMTs are dedicated parts of the police force. This is distinct from police having EMT training.

I haven’t looked at how dispatch works in Moscow. But would be interesting to know.

Thank you, that was very informative.

IMO, based on the info you all just gave me, I would think the situation could be that the girl called 911 about unconscious person. Either on that point or with the encouragement from the dispatcher to go and check vitals etc. or because of some other observation it could become obvious this is a crime scene and LE is sent to the scene. In certain situations they will tell the caller not to go forward to check possible other casualties but wait LE somewhere safe incase the perp is still present. So comes LE, clears the house and sees that all four are dead, so no need for ambulance.

OR they just were the closest unit.

 

[looksbetterinred]

I stand corrected. Thank you. I didn't realize the switchblade act had been gutted!

That was repelled in 2011. Currently, all types of knives are legal in Arkansas, including karambits. The law of Arkansas only considers carrying a knife illegal if the person intends on using it for unlawful purposes, or to cause harm.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Oops. My comment relates to the interview with Mary O’toole published with the post
.One of the most enlightening interviews so far.
The expert suggests an Instrumental killer,
psychopath, high risk of repeating.

yes, that's the one to which I referred, I thought. I'm new so potentially messed this up.

 

[ktm44]

I think it’s very likely that the 911 operator, besides coding the call as ‘unconscious,’ passed a message to LE that made them think they should go in first.

Or, they were the first to arrive, so of course they went in, rather than waiting for the medical personnel.

MOO

It may vary by country but I worked as an emergency dispatcher for a brief period of time and I would suggest that it would or should have been coded as unresponsive. In a college town, I suspect that a lot of calls relate to alchol and substance abuse, which may have influenced the wording or just something the press picked up and it keeps being repeated.

Often police end up on site first because they are out patrolling and in this day and age, first responders are inclined to believe that an unconscious young person may need naloxone and if that is the case, it needs to be administered quickly.

In my province, it is something that every emergency responder carries and are trained to administer so I suspect that LE was likely available first and expected nothing different.

 

[Sjöberg]

IF the phone's owner has selected the ON setting for WiFi in SETTINGS, the phone will search for a WiFi signal. Some people turn that setting to OFF when they are away from home (to save battery and to prevent other users on an unsecured network from potentially gaining access), others just leave it on most or all the time.

Question: I think there might be still some interaction between a router and a phone even if wi-fi is turned off? And same for any bluetooth devices nearby? I remember hearing about it that there is some first handshake (or more like a brushing ) that is still happening unless the phone is actually in airplane mode / off, but I am totally unsure if that is the case and what/how exactly so I am having a hard time google'ing any of it atm.

 

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[Balthazar]

I've seen pictures from different news sites that have shown a few different shepherd breeds being used. I know ISP has a few different dogs they run in the eastern Idaho area as well as a number of other close by agencies and several private training companies in the area. All have been used in a tracking capacity in this area by LE.

That's very troubling in light of no evidence markers outside anywhere.

 

[Hexe]

I think we know which room belonged to E and X because of 1) the window that police paid an extraordinary amount attention to 2) the blood dripping out of that room and down the side of the house and 3) the ladder placed beneath the catwalk that led to the window of that room, which could have been placed by the police, investigating the window, or by the murderer, using that window as an exit.

We don't know if these drips are blood. It was never confirmed and it's not very probable that the blood would seep through wall and insulation, especially that, according to the LE, the victims were asleep when the attacks started, so at least part of the blood was absorbed by the mattresses and bedsheets. The victims were also stabbed, not slashed, what means another part of their blood did not leak outside, but into the body cavities.

 

[layer]

I wonder if DM know for sure where the victims were found, I thought LE said they weren’t releasing this info. Have they and I’ve missed it?

Blueprints show where each Idaho student was found stabbed to death

Unearthed blueprints and layout plans of the off-campus house where four Idaho college students were brutally stabbed to death reveal where each of the friends were found slain earlier this month.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Dubious

 

[layer]

The victims were also slashed, not stabbed, what means another part of their blood did not leak outside, but into the body cavities.

Wow, where did you hear that?

 

[KonaHonu]

I think I remember reading way way back on a previous thread that that is what happened. LE turned up first followed by EMS and then LE told EMS they were no longer needed.

The trouble is, it does not work that way. LE are not authorized to declare death. And until death is declare, EMS is obligated to treat. While it is understandable that it was a very bloody scene, the response here was unusual in my opinion.

 

[debirlfan]

I see what you are saying. However, all the doors were locked? You would then call friends first?

I might if my first thought was that they'd all been drinking - or drugging. But I could definitely picture them trying X's room (did they even know E was staying over?), calling a friend (or perhaps calling E's brother), and only then thinking about the girls upstairs. When they finally called 911, I'll bet the dispatcher initially either suspected an OD or carbon monoxide, too.

 

[Balthazar]

Could the killer have borrowed the knife from a family member who is a hunter or fisherman!

They could have borrowed or stolen the knife, but the fact is, based on the little we have been told by the coroner, this person really knew how to use the knife to incapacitate and kill. I don't believe this is the first time they used a knife. They have experience somehow.

 

[Chestnutsunfish]

We don't know if these drips are blood. It was never confirmed and it's not very probable that the blood would seep through wall and insulation, especially that, according to the LE, the victims were asleep when the attacks started, so at least part of the blood was absorbed by the mattresses and bedsheets. The victims were also slashed, not stabbed, what means another part of their blood did not leak outside, but into the body cavities.

Where does it say they were slashed not stabbed ?

 

[Hexe]

Wow, where did you hear that?

Oh Lord, my mistake. I wanted to write that they were stabbed, not slashed.

 

[Hexe]

Where does it say they were slashed not stabbed ?

I made a mistake, I wanted to write they were stabbed, not slashed.