ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 12

[wary]

Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of Silver Blaze:

Det. Gregory: Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?
Holmes: To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time.
Det. Gregory: The dog did nothing in the night-time.
Holmes: That was the curious incident.​

So you have a golden doodle puppy. There’s been nothing in MSM about whether it EVER barked. Note that it was living in a ‘no pets allowed’ place. Considering that, plus the multiple roommates, plus other people living close by, and I think that it may well have been trained not to bark.

MOO

 

[DizzyB]

I would really like to know how the killer got in the house. This crime hinged on the perpetrator not being heard at any time before he was right next to his victim. Can't break glass, can't bust down a door etc, because that would cause an immediate call to 911. Whomever this was serial killer, stalker, jilted college student etc, they would have to have spent time casing out the place and knowing how to enter silently.. not quietly... silently. MOO that means the suspect was around this house often even if from a distance. Did he do a dry run where he just entered and then left to see if he could get in?

It is MOO but this tragedy will probably change the easy access to college houses and apartments. Keeping exterior doors locked needs to be the first line of protection against something like this ever happening again.

The killer has to trust that the dog will not alert the sleeping residents. How did they know the dog would never kick up a fuss? If I didn’t know the dog, but had watched the house enough to know that one lived there, I wouldn’t depend on it being silent that night.

 

[Charlot123]

I would really like to hear a professional serial killer profiler look at the possible connection of these three unsolved stabbings in the Pacific Northwest. All three occurred on the 13th of the month:

Washougal, WA—Sandra Ladd June 13, 2020 stabbed in torso

Salem, OR —Travis and Jamilyn Juetten were awakened from their sleep around 3:00 a.m. on Aug. 13, 2021, to an unknown assailant attacking them with a knife.

Moscow, ID— Quadruple homicide with fixed-blade knife Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen, and Kaylee Goncalves Nov. 13, 2022

How close are these places? Where I am now I can see the two but not the three

I am wondering...Moscow is on the border with WA. How far would Pullman be? The person who does it might go to another big university in WA. JMO.

 

[DrvonMizzle]

It's hard to ignore the similarities between this crime and the one in Oregon. The police have made it clear they are determined to share as little as possible but I am curious if they collected any biological evidence from both scenes that match.

I looked at the maps and it appears that the main road / highway between the crime scenes goes near or close to a Native American reservation- does anyone know if the tribal police are also helping or if there have been any similar stabbing crimes recently on the reservation?

 

[lonetraveler]

It's strange that we know every detail of Kaylee and Maddie's night and not much about Ethan and Xana.

I think it is also strange that there is no information regarding the surviving girls night. Should be just as important as the deceased students, IMO.

 

[jjenny]

I've never seen a police log. I do note the discrepancy of the updated report on the Moscow, Idaho website which now reads:
" On the morning of the incident, officers located a dog at the residence. The dog was unharmed and turned over to Animal Services and then released to a responsible party."

I just don't understand turning the dog over to Animal Services if you know where the dog lived and who owns the dog (the ex-boyfriend.) If you don't know the owner and he doesn't have a collar, that's one thing. Or a disgruntled neighbor sending the dog away to try and instill responsible dog ownership principles is understandable (rude.)

But for the police to confiscate the dog from his home and turn him over to Animal Services.... why?

I doubt they knew right away the ex-boyfriend was co-owner of the dog. This seems to be a standard procedure. Owner was found dead, dog therefore was un-attended, so police turned the dog into animal services.

 

[Keeliesue]

Killers are known to bring hot dogs to subdue dogs. Sometimes dogs are drugged. The killer bringing a treat is possible, esp if the killer knew there was a dog in the house.

Perhaps the dog wouldn’t have alerted anyone if it knew the person who entered the house.

 

[Rosegold68]

I would think the surviving girls have a right to privacy?

 

[Arkay]

I think it is also strange that there is no information regarding the surviving girls night. Should be just as important as the deceased students, IMO.

They're alive, they can make choices that their deceased roommates cannot.

They may be getting advice from parents, LE or lawyers, or likely they are exceedingly traumatized and don't want to speak in public. They're probably still in shock and processing that this is real.

IMO

 

[Montrealaise]

Killers are known to bring hot dogs to subdue dogs. Sometimes dogs are drugged. The killer bringing a treat is possible, esp if the killer knew there was a dog in the house.

The killer has to trust that the dog will not alert the sleeping residents. How did they know the dog would never kick up a fuss? If I didn’t know the dog, but had watched the house enough to know that one lived there, I wouldn’t depend on it being silent that night.

It's very strange that the dog didn't alert the residents of the house that a stranger had entered the house at night. I would think that even a very friendly dog would sense that something was terribly wrong. I've read that in the Oregon stabbings, there was also a dog in the house and he was left unharmed - has anybody read that as well? I haven't read any details about the Washington State stabbing. It's really chilling how many similarities there are between all three incidents - IMO, this definitely points to a serial killer living somewhere in the Northwest and makes it less likely that he was a local from Moscow, Idaho.

 

[Birmingplumb]

MSN

I hr ago newsweek ok?

 

[Charlot123]

Definitely agree. IMO perp is also probably someone who is on the periphery socially of the college campus…very possibly not even a student but someone who may be close in age (maybe even mid to late 20s?) to the victims but not a part of their “crowd “ …Also agree with the statement above that he may have had a recent rejection - in a job, relationship , an insult etc. IMO this is the catalyst/event that probably set him off.

Do we have any information if the man could be hurt during the attack?

 

[Montrealaise]

I think it is also strange that there is no information regarding the surviving girls night. Should be just as important as the deceased students, IMO.

If you were one of the survivors, knowing that the most likely reason your life was spared because the killer didn't know you were in the house, and with possible valuable information to help LE - would YOU want your personal information to be out there?

 

[Trouble1321075]

I think it is also strange that there is no information regarding the surviving girls night. Should be just as important as the deceased students, IMO.

The only thing I can think of is that they are trying to protect their identities by creating a media blackout. The thing about that is it is probably common knowledge among the community who lived there so it would not be difficult for a reporter to uncover who they are.

I am curious how long the media is going to play along with the police's attempt to keep this quiet.

 

[AngTxGal]

I was just watching the news about this massacre. The problem is about "mixed DNA", meaning it is hard to get DNA when the victim and perpetrator blood is "mixed". And even if they get a match of DNA from both separate scenes, the bedrooms, if the perpetrator has never given DNA to LEO, it is useless. Just a random DNA.

It may be useful if they have a definite suspect. But, if that suspect has been in that house, and those areas, he may have legitimate reasons why his DNA was found. Depending on where and what it is...

As hard as it is to be patient, the key is trusting the crime scene investigators experiences- this isn’t their first rodeo.
They know to take samples from locations that would capture the perp during the crime

Yes there would be samples from surfaces- those would be marked as surfaces and would not necessarily be linked to the crime- common areas but not blood sample

It is those blood drops on the floor or surfaces between one victim and another, they could be the perp bleeding due to injury

Also signs of scuffling- a victim or victims may have tissue from the perp on them

What if you have the same DNA profile in the blood drops on the floor and also under fingernails of a victim- and that same profile is on surfaces not related to the crime?

It is all sick to imagine and again interesting in terms of problem solving, and one piece of evidence such as DNA would have to gel with all others to create the story of what happened.
JMO

 

[wary]

They're alive, they can make choices that their deceased roommates cannot.

They may be getting advice from parents, LE or lawyers, or likely they are exceedingly traumatized and don't want to speak in public. They're probably still in shock and processing that this is real.

IMO

In my opinion, anyone who has their best interests in mind would advise them to not talk to anyone in the news media, or to anyone who might talk to someone in the news media.

 

[tokyorose]

I was just watching the news about this massacre. The problem is about "mixed DNA", meaning it is hard to get DNA when the victim and perpetrator blood is "mixed". And even if they get a match of DNA from both separate scenes, the bedrooms, if the perpetrator has never given DNA to LEO, it is useless. Just a random DNA.

It may be useful if they have a definite suspect. But, if that suspect has been in that house, and those areas, he may have legitimate reasons why his DNA was found. Depending on where and what it is...

But if the DNA was related to other muders in the PNW, particularly the unsolved stabbings, then that would be significant. MOO

 

[layer]

Do we have any information if the man could be hurt during the attack?

No, and I sort of doubt it.

 

[Allabouttrial]

He could have planned on killing the two downstairs but was put off by the couple on the main floor apparently (imo) awaking before they were attacked. No this is not part of official evidence that we know of, but I do think that Ethan got up to see what was going on, was killed outside the room, then the murderer had to kill X whether or not it was the plan. I can imagine him going straight for the sliding door, maybe thinking the ones downstairs heard more than he intended.

My theory on this is that Ethan or Xana may have been alive after they were stabbed and possibly crawled to the bedroom door but couldn't open it fully and was just behind it with a slight gap. It's the only explanation I could up with as to why the friends thought Ethan/Xana was unconscious.

 

[MikeHammer911]

MSN

I hr ago newsweek ok?

Old news and not really "ditch". The dude is cleared by LE.