ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 12

[AngTxGal]

Which leads me to believe, that the doors were locked. I believe they called for health check since they did not get response from knocking. Also, why I think perp cleaned up blood evidence outside bedrooms.

General question, do serial killers clean up crime scenes? I think some might stage...but cleanup??

There is no log of a Welfare Check to that address here on the Moscow Police Log

MPD Press Log 11/13/2022

www.ci.moscow.id.us

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Not the murder house. I also wonder who took the picure.

Yes, who took the photo and where. Could be timer as mentioned but I did notice the angle.

If a timer, they'd have to set phone on something tall, almost eye level with them which would be hard in a spontaneous moment. Not much around that space to set a phone on unless a window ledge if a back wall there.

I think a person took it because their whole bodies are in the photo and they are smiling/looking at eye level - not down or up to where a phone may be placed.

Someone had to stand back to get their full length in photo. I don't think a self timer photo would include their full bodies unless really far back. JMO, MOO

 

[OldCop]

It's now nearly 2 weeks later. Killer's wounds may have healed.

Unfortunately, that’s very true.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Curious whether anyone knows the story behind the comment made at the beginning of this MSNBC piece, about 5 days ago:

"a physical struggle took place before the murders happened" (@ 17 seconds in).

This was never repeated again as far as I know. I just chalked it up to an unfortunate wording of "there were defensive wounds found on some of the victims".

MOO, pay no mind to what MSM says. They take a sentence then flip it on it's head, though not always on purpose. If someone said there were defensive wounds (fact) a reporter could take that to mean there was a struggle before ALL of the murders when it really mean 1,2,3 others were already dead when the struggle took place with the last person.

Make of that what you will.

 

[DizzyB]

That means tons of fingerprints, hair, shoeprints and DNA. Pain in the rear end to gather and process all that material and sift the evidence from the random stuff.

Evidently 103.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Talking about an attack targeted at ONE.

“‘Steve Goncalves told CNN: “I’ve been told it’s one, but then again, there’s the bigness like it’s purposely big.’”

Police believe only one of four student's murdered in 'worst crime ever seen' was ‘target’

The stabbing murder of four University of Idaho students has been described as one of the 'worst' that law enforcement have ever seen

www.google.com

what do you think he means by “purposely big?”

Maybe to not look obvious... to look like it wasn't targeted to one person?

That could be a huge clue actually. If the target only was killer there's a handful of major suspects, but if 4 that draws the suspect circle quite larger. Interesting.....

 

[mry123]

I'm beginning to wonder if one of the girls had wounds to the face. Intentional wounds. Maybe? This might be why police are so convinced it's targeted.
Again targeted can mean many things. And one person having more wounds/body showing greater ferocity of attack would also infer that the killer had more anger for that particular person. It'd be Interesting to see the autopsy reports.

 

[NWguy22]

With a population of some 11,000, surely not every student at the university drives a hoopty to avoid becoming a target for murder. I am sure there are many cars around campus that are far more expensive than a 6-year-old, lower-end Range Rover, that has a book price of around 18.5K. And yes, I would expect that anyone who knows much about Range Rovers would know that hers was neither new nor a top-of-the-line model. While none of us knows the murderer's motive, I would be very shocked if someone bludgeoned 4 people to death because one of them bought a nice used car. JMO

Not because of the car. Because the person was moving on to bigger and better things, as evidenced in part by the car, which suddenly appeared and on the last weekend that person would be in town. And they just so happen to get killed that weekend. It’s probably all coincidence but still worth noting as would be any other recent significant changes or events in the victims’ lives.

 

[pamelado2]

it is and it isn't; not sure zillow is 100% up to date but maybe more current for a rental AND you do not know where furniture and objects are without visiting
so I am 50/50 on whether I think this person was in this house before or just did on line research.

on the positive side, even if "the house" has DNA from parties, that would be unlikely to be in two bedrooms and on bodies, IMO

It's not useless now that they are using genetic genealogy to figure out who the murderers are

 

[NWguy22]

Talking about an attack targeted at ONE.

“‘Steve Goncalves told CNN: “I’ve been told it’s one, but then again, there’s the bigness like it’s purposely big.’”

Police believe only one of four student's murdered in 'worst crime ever seen' was ‘target’

The stabbing murder of four University of Idaho students has been described as one of the 'worst' that law enforcement have ever seen

www.google.com

what do you think he means by “purposely big?”

To send a message?

As an expression of just how enraged the killer was? How badly they thought they had somehow been wronged?

Just a couple guess - JMO of course

 

[human]

I think it is unlikely he was sitting out in any wooded area watching . Too cold and it is too public to not be seen.

I would look for places where someone could sit in their place and watch through binoculars.

He could even have some kind of camera set up to watch while he isn’t home.

I read that the killer in Walmart in VA thought that his coworkers were dissing him. It is so possible that the killer thought he was not getting what he deserved.

He could see that they left and he waited until everyone was home to strike.

How expensive is housing there. Could someone afford to live alone?

 

[SkyBoomer]

The 13th of the month adds a creepiness to it, also.

If related....a psychological cycle of sorts?

The Evansdale Murders (Lizzy and Lyric) and the Delphi Murders (Abby and Libby) were also on the 13th of the month. Def an eerie coincidence given the unlikelihood of any connection…..still…..

 

[SyraKelly]

<modsnip>.

Edit: I’m worried her targets will be the surviving roommates. I don’t think the Moscow community and citizens will give her as much leeway as she got in Quinton’s case.

Who is bullhorn Betty?

 

[Kapua]

I remember reading Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi about the Tate/LaBianca murders and how Manson used to get his followers to break into homes and re-arrange the furniture without stealing or harming the home owners. They called it 'creepy-crawling' and its purpose was to terrify the homeowners but also to develop the skills of B and E. I can't imagine what those homeowners felt when the book was released and how close they had come to evil.

I read that book too and remember the 'creepy-crawling' incidents. I was going to post about it, but you beat me to the punch. It makes me wonder if the perp had entered the house on a previous occasion to scope it out.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Talking about an attack targeted at ONE.

“‘Steve Goncalves told CNN: “I’ve been told it’s one, but then again, there’s the bigness like it’s purposely big.’”

Police believe only one of four student's murdered in 'worst crime ever seen' was ‘target’

The stabbing murder of four University of Idaho students has been described as one of the 'worst' that law enforcement have ever seen

www.google.com

what do you think he means by “purposely big?”

He later says "“I’m hoping, but it confuses everyone, yeah, because nobody knows what that really means other than maybe somebody had a different kind of attack footprint".

I believe he is referring to the "attack footprint". It's big. It's not just one person attacked, but four.

I also believe that there is evidence one way or the other as to who was attacked first (and why) and who was attacked last.

Supposition: The first person attacked could have been the one who heard the intruder come in, but they may not have been the target. Example: One of the second floor people hears the intruder, gets up, becomes first victim. Other person on that floor ends up, by proximity, as the second victim. The girls upstairs might be fast out and hear nothing (depends on the state of inebriation, exhaustion, soundproof-ness, even just the sleeping pattern of individuals.) The target MIGHT have been one of the third floor occupants, but they ended up getting killed last.

The bigness of this, IMO, is that whoever did this was either prepared to kill everyone they encountered, or didn't think about it or care but was still willing and able to kill everyone they encountered. JMO.

 

[Diddian]

My head has been all over the place as far as theories go. But a few things that I've noticed that make me wonder.
-all of the victims Instagram have remained public. Except for Ethan.
-the 2 surviving roommates (understandably) switched their Instagram to private or deactivated their account. Ethan's surviving triplets also switched to private. So did the frat. Neither of the sororities all roommates belonged to did this.)
-Surving roommates and ethan's siblings were all on scene (roommates confirmed/siblings possibly per parents interview saying they "were there" depending on how you interpret) when police arrived.
-we've received little to no information on Ethan/Xana at or after the frat party.
-witnesses have come forward that saw Maddie & Kaylee and given interviews. We've seen them on camera, know who brought them home and when, etc).
-no one that saw Ethan or Xana that night have spoken publicly. The police have released 0 details on their night.

All of the above has me thinking E and/or X were the target. Something happened at that party involving E or X. Someone came to the house and confronted them while M & K we're still awake. Person got kicked out and yelled at/insulted by all 4 of them. Person left feeling slighted, possibly embarrassed/rejected because the girls piled on him, all on E's side. Went and got a weapon, came back when everyone was asleep to make them all pay.
- media and everyone else is focused on K & M. Police are feeding into that theory to keep the media/social media out of their investigation.
- fraternity holds the key, and Ethan's siblings and maybe even the 2 surviving roommates know there was an altercation. They are all MIA because they know the police are doing their thing. Frat is locked down on social, and their members, because when this comes out, the publicity for the frat will be a nightmare on a national level and they are getting their ducks in a row to combat the hellstorm of negative press that will be coming there way. What's worst for a fraternity than a hazing death? Admitting a sociopath that goes on to murder 4 Greek students. And maybe there were warning signs the frat ignored.

All just IMO and wild speculation. I just feel a little like we're being told to look left so we don't see what's happening to the right. JMO. I need to take a break from thinking about this tragedy. Hoping the families get answers soon.

To add even more weight to your theory, I'd add that so far there has only been one funeral with vigil and it was EC's. Perhaps LE wanted to see who'd attend and to observe their behavior in that setting.

 

[Boratsagdiyev]

With a population of some 11,000, surely not every student at the university drives a hoopty to avoid becoming a target for murder. I am sure there are many cars around campus that are far more expensive than a 6-year-old, lower-end Range Rover, that has a book price of around 18.5K. And yes, I would expect that anyone who knows much about Range Rovers would know that hers was neither new nor a top-of-the-line model. While none of us knows the murderer's motive, I would be very shocked if someone bludgeoned 4 people to death because one of them bought a nice used car. JMO

Exactly. And the Jeep that was in the driveway is like $5-$10k more than the RR evoque. I doubt the car had anything to do with this either.

 

[Emerald1328]

Who is bullhorn Betty?

A YouTuber who inserts herself into cases by traveling throughout the country to suspects’ houses (deservedly or not) and literally uses a bullhorn outside their residences.

 

[mry123]

Another theory (this is much weaker than my other ones tho so)
Maybe E + X were attacked first. Maybe M+K heard commotion and thought the ex boyfriend they were calling had actually come over and they might have come downstairs to see if it was him but instead finding the murderer or alternatively called out from their room ?!

 

[layer]

A YouTuber who inserts herself into cases by traveling throughout the country to suspects’ houses (deservedly or not) and literally uses a bullhorn outside their residences.

Oh my word...