ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 12

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saralsim said:
- fraternity holds the key, and Ethan's siblings and maybe even the 2 surviving roommates know there was an altercation. They are all MIA because they know the police are doing their thing. Frat is locked down on social, and their members, because when this comes out, the publicity for the frat will be a nightmare on a national level and they are getting their ducks in a row to combat the hellstorm of negative press that will be coming there way. What's worst for a fraternity than a hazing death? Admitting a sociopath that goes on to murder 4 Greek students. And maybe there were warning signs the frat ignored.

All just IMO and wild speculation. I just feel a little like we're being told to look left so we don't see what's happening to the right. JMO. I need to take a break from thinking about this tragedy. Hoping the families get answers soon.
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When is rush? Could it have been someone turned down for brotherhood? Recently expelled from the chapter?

Some normal folks take these kinds of things very seriously. I imagine a narcissist would lose his chit.

My opinion.
 
Here's my theory of what happened....the killer was targeting one of the blonde girls (he may not have known their names or who was who). He followed them home from their evening out or he was watching the house until they got home. He saw them go in the house through the back sliding door. He was unaware of the 2 girls downstairs or of E and X who had arrived home earlier. He waited until the lights were out in the house and they were asleep hoping to not wake anyone up.

As he was coming in the sliding glass door - which was opposite of E and X's room - he woke Ethan up. Ethan got up to check out the noise and encountered the guy. They struggled and the guy stabbed E. The fight woke up X and she tried to stop it and got stabbed, too. Hence, the messiness of the scene described as blood everywhere, the comments that they weren't all found in their beds, X's parents saying that she fought for her life, and the 2 downstairs roommates finding someone unresponsive (in the common area of the house leading to the 911 call.

Then, the guy goes upstairs to the third floor still looking for his intended target. The first bedroom is empty. The second bedroom is where K and M were sleeping. This is a surprise to the guy - he didn't expect them to be in the same room. He can't kill one without killing the other. He stabs one girl and immediately stabs the other. They have no time to react. Then, he stabs them repeatedly in their beds until he kills them. Hence, LE said they were sleeping in their beds when they were killed.

I think he didn't kill the 2 girls in the bedrooms on the first floor downstairs for any or all of these reasons: 1) He found and killed his target victim on the third floor. The other 3 were killed because they were "collateral damage" that prevented him from getting to his intended victim. Once he killed his intended victim, he was done. 2) He didn't realize that there was another floor with more bedrooms and more roommates. Or, 3) Their bedroom doors were locked.

(As a side note - I ALWAYS sleep with my bedroom door locked in my own home. I read that having a locked bedroom door is one more barrier before someone gets to you. It will give you a few seconds to wake up, react and possibly call 911 or take measures to protect yourself).

So, that's my theory. What do you think of it?
 
Diddian said:
To add even more weight to your theory, I'd add that so far there has only been one funeral with vigil and it was EC's. Perhaps LE wanted to see who'd attend and to observe their behavior in that setting.
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Replying to my own post here: To take this one step further, I keep thinking of Captain Lanier's comment (I think it was his) at the Wed press conference where he pointed out that sometimes what is NOT seen but had been expected to be is as important as what IS seen. Could LE have been observing to see who DID NOT show up for EC's funeral and vigil?

ETA: It was actually Chief Fry, not Captain Lanier. See 3:44 in this video of that press conference.
 
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Wendigo4 said:
My question is the call came at 1200am so if the dad made the call is it 1200am his time 1100pm her time? or 1am his time 1200am her time?

He is in Arizona so they do not observe daylight savings and the time is 1 hour difference.
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We went over this last week. Moscow is on same time zone as AZ. ID western side is pacific time and eastern is mountain time.
 
DizzyB said:
The stools are way weird. If you needed them moved for some reason, wouldn’t you just move them away from whatever, still upright? Unless each one was printed, examined for evidence etc, and then placed together. I have no idea how scenes are treated during investigation.

And anyone who says they found a source that states the dog was home, inside, during the murders, has found a source that stated such through inference. Definitive words have never been spoken by anyone in LE.
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Do you think one of the roommates moved the stools. It's possible that the sliding glass door lock didn't work and they tried to use the stool as a door jam to prevent the sliding glass door from being opened all the way. That may have been the noise that woke Ethan up.
 
mickey2942 said:
That is what I think...there are a lot of cases, no arrest. Of course, they were not four victims. But I can think of many "missing" cases, that it seems like they would be "easy" to make an arrest. No arrests. Of course, no body either.
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JMO, if someone was obsessed and had a lot of time of their hands... it could've been at first a fantasy project to plan the murder but then after more time and getting closer to losing something/someone that plan might've gotten more detailed and real. I think it happens a lot with killers! All speculation and MOO.
 
Diddian said:
For those who've followed multiple cases where FBI behavioral analysis unit becomes involved:

How long is it typically before their involvement becomes apparent in LE press conferences and appeals to the public? I've seen in other cases where LE asks members of the public to think about if an acquaintance, coworker, roommate, or family member made some recent changes to appearance - cut or colored hair, removed or changed facial hair, stopped wearing commonly worn clothing, stopped or began wearing glasses instead of contact lenses - or had recently changed habits - terminated employment or schooling, kept to himself/herself, drinking or abusing drugs more than usual, insomnia, etc. And also, whether they might have skipped work or not shown up for something they'd been expected to on the night of the murders or they show up unusually late.

So far, there has been no apparent FBI guidance in this respect. That could mean they have narrowed focus to one or a few individuals or that they are still forming their profile based on the evidence gathered to date or even that they are waiting to employ the profile until after the Thanksgiving break (or that they are employing the profile in individual interviews rather than through a public press conference given that so many students have departed).
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MOO, I think this means they have a good idea who they are looking for and are gathering evidence to corroborate their theory. They only ask the public for what they need - and it seems like mainly what they have asked for is camera footage. Just speculating.
 
tokyorose said:
I respectfully disagree. I believe LE when they said this was a personal attack. So many people suspected an out of town serial killer in the Delphi case and base on the arrest it appears that it was a local. If indeed a SK then why target this house in particular? why not a sorority house? or one of the many other off campus houses? like Delphi was there a social media connection? Also, it is hard to believe that Kaylee being home for just that weekend is a coincidence. MOO but whomever did this was particularly angry/jealous of her.
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We are all guessing at this point, but with those other two stabbings- just a few hours away, are those personal too? It was at the same time at night, people are sleeping at 3am or around 3am and this person comes in and starts stabbing, but doesn't take anything. These are all with 5 or 6 hours of each other in rural areas. 3 different times? Exact same crime? Oh- and they're on the 13th of the month. Just too many things seem to connect.
 
Falcon500 said:
thats because some police departments never dispatch a call for “a dead“(or deceased person). it’s always “unconscious person” even the caller might be standing there looking at someone with no head. I know of one large metropolitan department where only the medical examiner can pronounce someone dead. In my state a police officer can pronounce a person dead.
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Oh, that is very interesting. Now I am changing my thoughts on what was discussed on 911 calls. Could include much more information on what they actually saw.
 
KryannaT said:
I really feel that this was definitely rage filled. The amount of energy it would take to stab 4 people multiple times is way more than you may think.
I know the police have said that they believe it was targeted and I kind of feel the same. With so many homes in that area they could have found easier targets then a house with 6 people in it. That is taking a huge chance of getting caught. I am also not convinced it’s only one person or that they are male.

I hope they get some answers soon.
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Balthazar said:
In the United States the ground floor is always the first floor.
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That is not accurate. The ground floor is any floor that has an exterior exit level with the ground. A first floor is a floor with a main entrance facing the street on the street address. A walkout basement is a floor that is at least half buried and half above grade, with an exterior exit at ground level.

In this case:

There were 2 ground floors.
There was a walkout basement that was also the first floor and a ground floor.
There was a 2nd floor that was a 2nd story in front and ground level in back.
Because this is confusing, I like to refer to the floors in this case as Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, with Level 1 being the level of the front address side of the house.
 
Lalalacasbah said:
Zella! We've chatted before in another thread lol, I just recognized your name. Glad to see you here :)
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It's good to see you again too! :)

hopewell said:
When is rush?
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I know each university is a little different, but at the one where I was a grad student and TA with multiple Greek Life students, rush was pretty early in the semester.
 
Celt1997 said:
I think they are being kept under lock and key, as well.
There is no way the perp is comfortable knowing that they missed 2 people in that house, and not knowing what they heard/saw, and what has been shared with the investigators.
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That they are being very kept safe has been my fervent hope since Day 1. No confirmation AFAIK, so I continue to fervently HOPE. Moo
 
Diddian said:
Replying to my own post here: To take this one step further, I keep thinking of Captain Lanier's comment (I think it was his) at the Wed press conference where he pointed out that sometimes what is NOT seen but had been expected to be is as important as what IS seen. Could LE have been observing to see who DID NOT show up for EC's funeral and vigil?
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I Thought That Comment Was odd Too, And it could’ve been meant for POI as well, They want to make sure he attends someone’s funeral So they can watch his reactions
 
Zella said:
It's good to see you again too! :)


I know each university is a little different, but at the one where I was a grad student and TA with multiple Greek Life students, rush was pretty early in the semester.
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Thank you! Yeah I looked it up on UI's website and it starts in August. But how long is it? Is it a semester long process and then selection? If so, could still be an angle to look into.

When I was typing that, I thought that perhaps a pledge or junior brother could've been hitting on Xana at the party and senior brother Ethan could've stepped in to stop it. If said pledge or junior brother was both narcissistic and inebriated, well...
 
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