That logic isn't sound, though. Someone could have easily known their routines and the layout of the house just by their social media. I see no reason the killer needed to be in their "orbit".
Sometimes they just have cameras on the cash registers
The one from daily mail is not accurate. I don’t read them, they never have accurate info moo.
Awesome!Thought it would be interesting to see how many different "profiles" the paid professionals are coming up with. Keep in mind they DO NOT have the data LE has. They are working with the same info we have but have their knowledge and experience.
1. Incel theory - Carole Lieberman (Forensic Psychiatrist)
Forensic psychiatrist Carole Lieberman said she is confident the slayings were not a random attack or the work of a serial killer. The "multiple stabbings and bloody mess are signs that it was personal and that the killer was enraged," Lieberman told Newsweek.
Idaho students' killer may be an "incel" who felt rejected—psychiatrist
Police have not yet identified a suspect in the killings of four University of Idaho students who were found dead in their beds on November 13.www.newsweek.com
2. Young & knew at least one victim - Jim Clemente (Former FBI profiler)
- Personal
- Enraged
- Not random or serial
- Felt rejected or would be suitor
The murderer who ruthlessly slaughtered four University of Idaho students is likely a “younger” man and a first-time killer, famed former FBI profiler Jim Clemente said.
Former FBI profiler thinks University of Idaho killer is a ‘young man’ students ‘knew’
The murderer who ruthlessly slaughtered four University of Idaho students is likely a “younger” man and a first-time killer, famed former FBI profiler Jim Clemente said.nypost.com
Clemente, a criminal behavioral expert and former New York State prosecutor, believes the person who killed Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Ethan Chapin, 20, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Madison Mogen, 21 on Nov. 13 likely knew at least one of the victims.
And here: Idaho college killer likely a stalker or knew students, ex-FBI profiler says he says this:
- Young
- Comfortable with blood
- First-time killer
- Lives in the area
- Doesn't mind "wet work" and profession will say the same
3. Potential Serial Killer -Dr. Casey Jordan (criminologist, behavior analyst, attorney)
- Stalker
- Not Sophisticated criminally or forensically
You could have somebody who is a potential serial killer who has been thinking about doing this for a very long time,” he tells Inside Edition. “If the fantasy was fulfilled, then the fantasy will bloom even larger and very often, we will find a perp who feels compelled to do it again.”
Criminal Profiler Weighs in on the University of Idaho Murders
Could Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle have been killed by a serial killer? Criminal profiler Dr. Casey Jordan says it's possible.www.insideedition.com
But Jordan says another, and perhaps stronger, possibility is that the victims were acquaintances with their killer.
4. Instrumental Violence-Mary Ellen O'Toole (Retired agent and profiler FBI)
- Potential Serial Killer
- Acquaintances w/ killer
- From the community
- In the house before
Paraphrasing interview: Targeted has meaning. Equal targets or not?
5. Young male -Jonathan Gilliam (Former FBI Special Agent)
- Not evidence conscious
- Likely cut themselves and left DNA evidence
- Likely been in the home prior
- Prior experience being in other people's homes
- Had to be a sturdy knife
- Up close and personal
- Sloppy crime scene but efficient with knife means experienced
- Doubtful the knife was tossed
- The knife has been used before but not necessarily in a murder
- Instrumental not reactive violence
- cold-blooded, predatory, callous violence perpetrated frequently on strangers
- Psychopathic individuals lacking empathy and guilt commit high-risk crimes b/c they enjoy the crime
- Believes there is a threat to the community
- High risk for reoffending
6. Copycat killer - Bill Warner - (Private Detective)
- Young male
- One, not two killers
- Could get in and out w/ out being seen
- Entered the second floor
- Not the first time this person did this
- Adrenaline filled incident
- Odd or manacing behavior toward people close to him
- Typically a killing like this is not the first kill unless in the family environment (which this is not)
- Sees this as an escalation
- 3-hour travel distance this person probably lives
Bill Warner, a private detective from Sarasota, Florida, called the murderer a "copy cat serial killer" after tracing down the same killing spree pattern as the infamous Ted Bundy murders.
University of Idaho students killer ‘is behind at least 2 more murders’, says PI
THE University of Idaho students’ murderer may be responsible for at least two other deaths, following in serial killer Ted Bundy’s footsteps, a private investigator has claimed. ItR…www.the-sun.com
"Current trail of unsolved murders in Washington, Oregon, and Moscow Idaho mimics trail of murders committed by serial killer Ted Bundy in 1970's," he said.
Bundy "appears to have started his murder spree in Feb 1974 in Washington, then May 1974 in Oregon and then May 1975 in Idaho and then many, many more, he was just getting started," Warner explained.
He added: "No coincidence when the same exact geographic path used by serial killer Ted Bundy in 1970's mimicked by current copy cat serial killer murders in Washington, Oregon and the case in Moscow Idaho, three for three."
Early 30's
7. Targeted & In their orbit-Bill Daly (Former FBI Investigator)
- Above Avg. height
- Fighting Skills
- Powerful build
- Martial arts training
A former FBI investigator said he believes that the Idaho quadruple murders were a targeted attack and that someone in the slain college students' 'orbit' caused it to happen.
Former FBI investigator's chilling theory into Idaho quadruple murder
Former FBI investigator Bill Daly told Fox News that he believes the Idaho quadruple murders was a targeted attack and that someone in the slain college students' orbit caused it to happen.www.dailymail.co.uk
Idaho murder suspect likely someone out of the students’ social ‘orbit’: Bill Daly | Fox News Video
Former FBI investigator Bill Daly provides expert analysis of the four University of Idaho students who were mysteriously murdered two weeks ago today on ‘Fox & Friends Weekend.’www.foxnews.com
8. In their Circle - Nancy Grace
- Two unharmed people
- Would have to know the home
- Not mass murderer rampage b/c others downstairs unharmed
- Think LE have more than we are aware
- DNA & Fingerprints are only good if they have something to compare to right now, but great later
Nancy Grace: Idaho College Killer In ‘One of the Victims’ Circles’
CrimeOnline’s Nancy Grace isn’t concerned that police in Idaho haven’t named a suspect or found a weapon in the gruesome murders of four University of Idaho students two weeks ago. She told Fox News that she “doesn’t agree” with online comments that police don’t know what they’re doing. “Anybody...www.crimeonline.com
9. Someone knew the house-Brad Garrett (Former FBI)
- Someone in their circle
- No connection w/ person that called it in
"It tells me that someone came into the house with a comfort level -- that they probably knew their way around the house," Garrett said.
Idaho college murders: Investigators should 'broaden their search' after new details revealed
"You're going to have to start spreading out to people they had just a casual relationship with," former FBI agent Brad Garrett said.abc7ny.com
Garrett said investigators should be broadening their search outside the victims' immediate circle of friends and family.
"You're going to have to start spreading out to people they had just a casual relationship with," he said.
10. Likely Female -Rodney Demery - (Former homicide detective-podcaster "murder chose me")
- Someone knew the house
ormer homicide detective Rodney Demery believes it's "very likely" a woman is behind the murder of four college students in Idaho. "I think it was someone that had a rage, a certain passion, to create such violence," Demery says.
Is Idaho killer possibly a woman? | Banfield
#MurderChoseMe host and former homicide detective Rodney Demery believes it's "very likely" a woman is behind the murder of four college students in Idaho. "I think it was someone that had a rage, a certain passion, to create such violence," Demery says. #Banfieldwww.newsnationnow.com
11. Not Serial Killer - Mark Furhman -(Former LAPD Detective & lives in Idaho)
- 7% female mass murderers
- Passion
- Rage
- Same-sex relationship
Mark Fuhrman: Idaho investigators have 'stayed on point'
Former LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman joins 'Jesse Watters Primetime' to give his take on the latest in the Idaho murders investigation.
Mark Fuhrman on Idaho murders: 'A knife is a weapon of rage' | Fox News Video
Retired LAPD detective and Fox News contributor Mark Fuhrman reveals his takeaways from the quadruple murder investigation and his conversations with University of Idaho students.
- Not a serial killer
- Targeted crime
- Killer sought out and knows one or more of the victims
- Knife is a weapon of rage
- Should be able to find the order of killings, height, footprint, right or left-handed from blood spatter analysis
- Should be able to get blood type even if DNA is not in the system
This is good to have handy but I am wary of it being used as news on the media thread. IMO these profilers — though more qualified than me to have an opinion on this case — cannot provide an accurate profile unless they have the info that LE has.
My 2018 notifies me via app that it’s started & allows me to track its travel if I choose. I can also see speed/braking, mechanics in real time. I’m sure there are many varieties of similar technology around.
Yes! Why wouldn’t they at least include Greek Row which houses so many connections to this group of friends and where at least 2 of them had spent some time on Saturday evening. Did they see a car leaving from the parking lot of the apartment building across the street and turning onto Taylor Ave? If someone turned right on Taylor and went to 95s, I have to believe they would pass cameras at that intersection. There is a gas station right on the corner and numerous businesses off that road all the way to the outskirts of town.
Check out the Media Thread, after an addition it turned into 3 levels with a walk out basement, so sliding glass door is actually "2nd" floor.
Awesome post!Thought it would be interesting to see how many different "profiles" the paid professionals are coming up with. Keep in mind they DO NOT have the data LE has. They are working with the same info we have but have their knowledge and experience.
1. Incel theory - Carole Lieberman (Forensic Psychiatrist)
Forensic psychiatrist Carole Lieberman said she is confident the slayings were not a random attack or the work of a serial killer. The "multiple stabbings and bloody mess are signs that it was personal and that the killer was enraged," Lieberman told Newsweek.Idaho students' killer may be an "incel" who felt rejected—psychiatrist
Police have not yet identified a suspect in the killings of four University of Idaho students who were found dead in their beds on November 13.
2. Young & knew at least one victim - Jim Clemente (Former FBI profiler)
- Personal
- Enraged
- Not random or serial
- Felt rejected or would be suitor
The murderer who ruthlessly slaughtered four University of Idaho students is likely a “younger” man and a first-time killer, famed former FBI profiler Jim Clemente said.Former FBI profiler thinks University of Idaho killer is a ‘young man’ students ‘knew’
The murderer who ruthlessly slaughtered four University of Idaho students is likely a “younger” man and a first-time killer, famed former FBI profiler Jim Clemente said.
Clemente, a criminal behavioral expert and former New York State prosecutor, believes the person who killed Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Ethan Chapin, 20, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Madison Mogen, 21 on Nov. 13 likely knew at least one of the victims.
And here: Idaho college killer likely a stalker or knew students, ex-FBI profiler says he says this:
- Young
- Comfortable with blood
- First-time killer
- Lives in the area
- Doesn't mind "wet work" and profession will say the same
3. Potential Serial Killer -Dr. Casey Jordan (criminologist, behavior analyst, attorney)
- Stalker
- Not Sophisticated criminally or forensically
You could have somebody who is a potential serial killer who has been thinking about doing this for a very long time,” he tells Inside Edition. “If the fantasy was fulfilled, then the fantasy will bloom even larger and very often, we will find a perp who feels compelled to do it again.”Criminal Profiler Weighs in on the University of Idaho Murders
Could Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle have been killed by a serial killer? Criminal profiler Dr. Casey Jordan says it's possible.
But Jordan says another, and perhaps stronger, possibility is that the victims were acquaintances with their killer.
4. Instrumental Violence-Mary Ellen O'Toole (Retired agent and profiler FBI)
- Potential Serial Killer
- Acquaintances w/ killer
- From the community
- In the house before
Paraphrasing interview: Targeted has meaning. Equal targets or not?
5. Young male -Jonathan Gilliam (Former FBI Special Agent)
- Not evidence conscious
- Likely cut themselves and left DNA evidence
- Likely been in the home prior
- Prior experience being in other people's homes
- Had to be a sturdy knife
- Up close and personal
- Sloppy crime scene but efficient with knife means experienced
- Doubtful the knife was tossed
- The knife has been used before but not necessarily in a murder
- Instrumental not reactive violence
- cold-blooded, predatory, callous violence perpetrated frequently on strangers
- Psychopathic individuals lacking empathy and guilt commit high-risk crimes b/c they enjoy the crime
- Believes there is a threat to the community
- High risk for reoffending
6. Copycat killer - Bill Warner - (Private Detective)
- Young male
- One, not two killers
- Could get in and out w/ out being seen
- Entered the second floor
- Not the first time this person did this
- Adrenaline filled incident
- Odd or manacing behavior toward people close to him
- Typically a killing like this is not the first kill unless in the family environment (which this is not)
- Sees this as an escalation
- 3-hour travel distance this person probably lives
Bill Warner, a private detective from Sarasota, Florida, called the murderer a "copy cat serial killer" after tracing down the same killing spree pattern as the infamous Ted Bundy murders.University of Idaho students killer ‘is behind at least 2 more murders’, says PI
THE University of Idaho students’ murderer may be responsible for at least two other deaths, following in serial killer Ted Bundy’s footsteps, a private investigator has claimed. ItR…
"Current trail of unsolved murders in Washington, Oregon, and Moscow Idaho mimics trail of murders committed by serial killer Ted Bundy in 1970's," he said.
Bundy "appears to have started his murder spree in Feb 1974 in Washington, then May 1974 in Oregon and then May 1975 in Idaho and then many, many more, he was just getting started," Warner explained.
He added: "No coincidence when the same exact geographic path used by serial killer Ted Bundy in 1970's mimicked by current copy cat serial killer murders in Washington, Oregon and the case in Moscow Idaho, three for three."
Early 30's
7. Targeted & In their orbit-Bill Daly (Former FBI Investigator)
- Above Avg. height
- Fighting Skills
- Powerful build
- Martial arts training
A former FBI investigator said he believes that the Idaho quadruple murders were a targeted attack and that someone in the slain college students' 'orbit' caused it to happen.Former FBI investigator's chilling theory into Idaho quadruple murder
Former FBI investigator Bill Daly told Fox News that he believes the Idaho quadruple murders was a targeted attack and that someone in the slain college students' orbit caused it to happen.
Idaho murder suspect likely someone out of the students’ social ‘orbit’: Bill Daly | Fox News Video
Former FBI investigator Bill Daly provides expert analysis of the four University of Idaho students who were mysteriously murdered two weeks ago today on ‘Fox & Friends Weekend.’8. In their Circle - Nancy Grace
- Two unharmed people
- Would have to know the home
- Not mass murderer rampage b/c others downstairs unharmed
- Think LE have more than we are aware
- DNA & Fingerprints are only good if they have something to compare to right now, but great later
Nancy Grace: Idaho College Killer In ‘One of the Victims’ Circles’
CrimeOnline’s Nancy Grace isn’t concerned that police in Idaho haven’t named a suspect or found a weapon in the gruesome murders of four University of Idaho students two weeks ago. She told Fox News that she “doesn’t agree” with online comments that police don’t know what they’re doing. “Anybody...9. Someone knew the house-Brad Garrett (Former FBI)
- Someone in their circle
- No connection w/ person that called it in
"It tells me that someone came into the house with a comfort level -- that they probably knew their way around the house," Garrett said.Idaho college murders: Investigators should 'broaden their search' after new details revealed
"You're going to have to start spreading out to people they had just a casual relationship with," former FBI agent Brad Garrett said.
Garrett said investigators should be broadening their search outside the victims' immediate circle of friends and family.
"You're going to have to start spreading out to people they had just a casual relationship with," he said.
10. Likely Female -Rodney Demery - (Former homicide detective-podcaster "murder chose me")
- Someone knew the house
ormer homicide detective Rodney Demery believes it's "very likely" a woman is behind the murder of four college students in Idaho. "I think it was someone that had a rage, a certain passion, to create such violence," Demery says.Is Idaho killer possibly a woman? | Banfield
#MurderChoseMe host and former homicide detective Rodney Demery believes it's "very likely" a woman is behind the murder of four college students in Idaho. "I think it was someone that had a rage, a certain passion, to create such violence," Demery says. #Banfield
11. Not Serial Killer - Mark Furhman -(Former LAPD Detective & lives in Idaho)
- 7% female mass murderers
- Passion
- Rage
- Same-sex relationship
Mark Fuhrman: Idaho investigators have 'stayed on point'
Former LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman joins 'Jesse Watters Primetime' to give his take on the latest in the Idaho murders investigation.Mark Fuhrman on Idaho murders: 'A knife is a weapon of rage' | Fox News Video
Retired LAPD detective and Fox News contributor Mark Fuhrman reveals his takeaways from the quadruple murder investigation and his conversations with University of Idaho students.
- Not a serial killer
- Targeted crime
- Killer sought out and knows one or more of the victims
- Knife is a weapon of rage
- Should be able to find the order of killings, height, footprint, right or left-handed from blood spatter analysis
- Should be able to get blood type even if DNA is not in the system
i posted a photo of the bar and it looks like they have cameras, 2 or more inside and it also has a camera on the outside in a fenced area with gas heaters like a smokers corner.
As a blogger mentioned a few posts ago, You would need first A POI Then A warrant, to tap into vehicle forensics, it’s amazing what’s out there these days With All the digital foot printing online, Vehicle etc.. If The suspect gets away with this He’s Damn Lucky!
Please consider the following gentle explanation. Your conclusion is clearly valid in the technical sense, but perhaps not in the "street / woods" sense.
Here's the map. The red X marks the entry way, two surviving roommates' rooms on either side, staircase going up to the 2nd level.
Even if that is the case, what benefit would it be to the parents to lie about that?
