I wouldn't be surprised to see victim families sue the owner of the property. Whether those suits are successful or not, who knows. But I don't see why the property would not be insurable going forward. The owner could determine that tenants don't want to be there due to the history and could elect to tear down that structure and rebuild. That is purely a business decision.
Well, he killed 4 people. I wouldn't expect too much.
I thought I remembered seeing something saying there is video indicating K&M got the bar around 9 PM and left around 1 AM.
I work for such a distributor, in college towns, and I know where very few of the employees of my accounts live. I especially don't know intimate details about their routines or homes. I'll concede it may be possible, but very unlikely.
Exactly my point.
I think in the minds of all of us normal, decent humans we couldn't live with the idea that we took another life. However, if the killer was in a rage and out to 'punish' some or all of the victims, then he would feel in his mind that he's done a good thing so in his mind, there's no reason to give himself up because he is in the right. I am aware of how horrible that sounds, but I'm putting myself in the mind of the killer, not decent humans like us.
regarding the Elantra found in Eugene OR and confusing media/Press release about it:
Yes, it does happen as your own story shows so it is a real consideration.
Regarding your 3rd point: when MM goes to hug the guy, he is talking to another man (older, heavyset, doesn’t look look college age) who is wearing a plaid jacket and tan pants, who turns and opens his arms slightly as if he thinks MM will also hug him - she steps back slightly and ignores him and he drops his arms.The full video with sound is here. MM/KG first approach the truck around the 6:24 mark. Things I noticed to believe they were at least slightly intoxicated:
So again, while I don't think either of them were stumble down drunk, I highly doubt either was in any shape to operate a motor vehicle and were likely legally intoxicated at the time.
- MM (in orange/red shirt, hair in ponytail and black jacket) has a blank stare several times and can't stand still. Seems to be swaying trying to stand in place.
- Around the 6:30 mark, KG begins to order. She looks at the menu and seems to be having trouble reading it clearly then says "I'll have..." and after a decently long pause finishes "...the carrrr-banara". I mistook the syllable she slurred in the first post.
- While KG is telling the Grub Truck guy she has rewards points, MM wanders off and gives a guy a hug then seems to stumble a bit walking back to where KG is.
- There is a clear view of MM around the 7:04 mark and watching for a few seconds, her head is swaying and as she walks her shoulders sway as well. While she can still stand and knows where she is, this is not normal motion and is a walk I've seen before in friends who have had multiple drinks.
- Around the 7:15 mark, KG slurs again repeating "the carrr-banara".
- From 7:20 to 7:30, MM continues swaying next to KG.
Edit: This is important to me because it signifies that KG may have fallen asleep with her fitness watch on and could also speak to both girls inability to react quickly enough when their killer came up the stairs. On the third floor as they were and in this type of state, they were essentially cornered and had no chance.
As hard as it is to swallow - I think this is the case. He wanted to kill as many people as possible.
I think E was a second year freshman so he was theoretically a sophomore so had been there a few years he just didn’t accumulate enough credits to gain sophomore status
Speaking of cars, do you think it’s possible that the killer/killers got a brand new car after the murders were committed? And that they are driving a car that is totally different than the Elantra?and the Elantra is long gone?
I do agree with you that I don't want MSM to be with police when they go door to door. There is a lot that we shouldn't know because we aren't the ones solving the crime and standing up in court backing our claims.
IMO, Yes. It was the four people upstairs= targeted. Why two roommates were left unscathed is the great question.
I can imagine how it could happen. There were three very young women among victims, and one very young man. From that “Adam” piece I came to only one conclusion, that the girls were how most girls are at this age - talkative, probably dramatic, gregarious. Nothing about the person they discussed, there were so many people around them! But think, very old teenagers. For some people, the fact that the girls, or the girls + the boy, were talkative, could have been enough to hold immense grudge. To add, some people are by nature, paranoid, and disliked. So that person might be simply disliked among peers, but he blames it on “E talking sh@t”, or “X@M talking sh@t about me”. It really is not a question of “why”, but “what”. “What traits does someone have to possess to do it”. I am positive “why” is minimal, but the person might hold grudges against the four, or 3+1, if one was there by chance, for absolutely no reason. And hold to these grudges for ages. Yesterday I read, and posted elsewhere, a psychological portrait of one known killer, who used a knife to kill. I was surprised how many behaviors were the reflection of his own incompetence, and could apply to all such killers. I think this perp will be found at the periphery of the victims’ acquaintances, not a close one by any means, but would come across as very average. MOO.
What time stamp is that? I don't see anyone in a plaid jacket.
Oversized coats and blazers are the trend right now for this age group - looking at the video, this looks to just be following that trend. Lots of girls who would be a size XS/S walking around in L or XL jackets and hoodies. IMO it was her coat which she intentionally purchased to be that large.
Dogs rock!I believe yes.
Each dog is different in what they are trained to detect and in their ability to detect. Detection dogs can detect blood, weapons, semen, accelerants, drugs, explosives, poisons, electronics, bodies, and more. Trailing dogs are trained to identify the scent of a specific human (with a scent sample). The limits of a dog being able to track a human scent is 5 - 14 days after the incident. Again, it depends on the ability of the dog and the handler.
In this case, I only saw a few photos of a police dog at the door and in the side/back yard. IMO the police dog was there to detect blood trail, but he/she could also be a superstar dog that is trained to detect multiple things and to trail.
"Sauer", a Doberman Pinscher!, holds the record for longest non stop track (at least up to 2017) - 100 miles, non stop, in the desert of South Africa (1925) to capture a cattle rustler.
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Outside of Cape Town, South Africa, in little towns known as Robertson, Rawonsville, Irene, and Worcester, an unlikely local legend is remembered. His name was “Sauer, a dog born in 1917 on the premises of the South African Police Dog School. Blessed with a sound pedigree, Sauer, nevertheless...nationalpurebreddogday.com
Well I've posted my opinion, that if fringe groups become aware of his acts they might turn him in to informants to stop the widening (imo) investigations, which could focus on something less immediately serious that the fringe groups may be doing. Places they don't want LE accidentally finding, unrelated to this murder. Just might not want anyone poking around. And maybe this guy is someone on the fringe of the fringe, someone they already know is a wack job.
