ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 35

[Tricia]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT CHRIS MCDONOUGH AND THE INTERVIEW ROOM

Nothing that Chris M says is allowed on this forum unless it is backed up by law enforcement. ​

Chris has personally lied to me. He accused an innocent man of being Brian Laundry. He lied about being removed from the Crow lawsuit. He was removed but then put back in the lawsuit and lost. Chris told me he was removed from the lawsuit and was not sued. He never told me he was added back into the lawsuit and lost. Chris was sued for getting a false confession in the murder of Stephanie Crow.
I could go on but suffice it to say anything he says is not allowed. Even if it is in mainstream media.

Again only if what he said is backed up by an actual law enforcement source.

Here is the documentation on the Crow lawsuit
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Ruling from 2010 which overrules Dougie's decision from 2004.

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2010/01/14/05-55467.pdf

Retired judge slams Crowe case

ESCONDIDO: Retired judge slams police conduct in Crowe case

www.courant.com

ESCONDIDO: Crowe family settles civil rights lawsuit for $7.25 million

Nearly 14 years after Stephanie Crowe was stabbed to death inher Escondido bedroom, her family agreed to a $7.25 millionsettlement with the cities of Escondido and Oceanside for what oneappeals cou…

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

"A federal trial judge in San Diego dismissed the bulk of the civil rights suit in 2004. But six years later, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals revived the lawsuit, finding that Escondido police violated the civil rights of Crowe and his friends during “hours of grueling, psychologically abusive interrogations.”

The above links come from a great YouTube creator called Scientific Skeptic. If you go to this video there are more links describing the interrogation tools used by Chris and others in the Crow case,

Because Chris mistakenly named the wrong man on my YouTube channel and never told me to take down the false information I made this apology video when I discovered what happened,
Here is the apology video I had to make because of what Chris said on my Livestream.

The glove that Chris found was not there on the day of the Moscow Idaho murders

The MOB Crew has a great video showing the ground the day of the killing where the glove was found later in the month. On that day the glove was not there. Go to @2:35 of this video

I am not suggesting Chris did not legitimately find the glove. Just showing you it has nothing to do with the case. I will be shocked if Chris updates the story about the glove.

For those of you who know me this is an extremely unusual step for me to take. This is how strongly I feel. I was lied to but more importantly, because of Chris' actions, people's lives were threatened in the Summer Wells case.

Please do not discuss this post on this thread. If you have any questions please email me at websleuthsvideos@gmail.com
Tricia

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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[Strong1]

Moscow Police Chief defends investigation.

Moscow police chief defends investigation as unverified video footage surfaces

“We’re utilizing the resources of the FBI and (Idaho) State Police, but we pick the investigators,” Moscow Police Chief James Fry said Tuesday.

www.yahoo.com

 

[blackbeary]

<modsnip - quotes post was removed for commenting on the discussion rather than on the case>

It's difficult to form an opinion based on the very few facts that we know about this case. LE has everyone looking for a Elantra that may or may not contain a suspect, or fleeing witnesses who are terrified to come forward.
2 victims seen on surveillance videos.
LE asking for a timeline on 2 victims.
Coroner stated 4 victims were killed with a straight knife while sleeping.
Did I miss anything?

 

[LadyBelle]

Moscow Police Chief defends investigation.

Moscow police chief defends investigation as unverified video footage surfaces

“We’re utilizing the resources of the FBI and (Idaho) State Police, but we pick the investigators,” Moscow Police Chief James Fry said Tuesday.

www.yahoo.com

"As of Monday, federal agents assigned to the investigation, based in Moscow — in addition to Salt Lake City and Virginia — outnumbered the combined city and state resources by roughly 20 law enforcement personnel. The individual agency staffing numbers were left off Tuesday’s daily public update."

That's an impressive amount of resources, IMO

 

[layer]

As time goes by, I'm becoming more and more connvinced that this is the work of a dangerous psychopath. The simple solutions seem to have failed to pan out for LE. It could be a serial killer, it could be a one-off. Whatever it is, I hope they catch him soon. The victims and their families deserve justice. And we deserve to feel safe in our beds at night.

Mods, sorry if I am stepping out of line here. Snip as needed.
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[PrairieWind]

I really feel for the Moscow police. They are now having to spend as much time defending themselves as they are on the investigation.

 

[PrairieWind]

As time goes by, I'm becoming more and more connvinced that this is the work of a dangerous psychopath. The simple solutions seem to have failed to pan out for LE. It could be a serial killer, it could be a one-off. Whatever it is, I hope they catch him soon. The victims and their families deserve justice. And we deserve to feel safe in our beds at night.

Mods, sorry if I am stepping out of line here. Snip as needed.
Just an observation:
We are all mods, of sorts. Try to moderate your own posts so the real mods don't have to waste their time doing it. We all have different views and opinions, that's what make these discussions varied and rich. Nothing can be learned in an echo chamber. Express your opinions carefully, with respect and kindness, so your posts can remain and we can all be enriched by them.

I agree in a way. If the killer had been someone known to the victims, a stalker, or someone they had an argument with, it seems those dots would have already been connected. So I am starting to think this was someone more outside of their circle, and maybe got pretty lucky in not leaving a lot of evidence behind.

 

[SMK777]

I agree in a way. If the killer had been someone known to the victims, a stalker, or someone they had an argument with, it seems those dots would have already been connected. So I am starting to think this was someone more outside of their circle, and maybe got pretty lucky in not leaving a lot of evidence behind.

It is still possible that they suspect someone from the inner circle but need more evidence to absolutely secure an arrest and conviction.

I recall reading a book on the Skylar Neese case, and although law enforcement suspected her 2 close friends early on, I was shocked to see what a long drawn out process it was to finally arrest them.

 

[Justice101]

From what I know, a lot of police work is simply gathering information...interviewing people on the list, canvassing the neighborhood, etc. However, how the investigation is organized and controlled and what leads are prioritized can be an all consuming process.

There is nobody more interested and focused on solving the case as the local law enforcement. They sometimes want to jump to conclusions and run with it but must must slow down and make sure they have everything in order and corroborated. Having the state police and FBI joining in is a double edged sword... the tools they bring to the table are just incredible. But the requests for further gathering of information to support those new avenues of pursuit just add to the workload.

Having said that, if this can be solved... I believe this team will do it.

Everyone on the local team has got to be exhausted and just plowing onward. They want this solved more than anyone.

 

[blackbeary]

As time goes by, I'm becoming more and more connvinced that this is the work of a dangerous psychopath. The simple solutions seem to have failed to pan out for LE. It could be a serial killer, it could be a one-off. Whatever it is, I hope they catch him soon. The victims and their families deserve justice. And we deserve to feel safe in our beds at night.

Mods, sorry if I am stepping out of line here. Snip as needed.
Just an observation:
We are all mods, of sorts. Try to moderate your own posts so the real mods don't have to waste their time doing it. We all have different views and opinions, that's what make these discussions varied and rich. Nothing can be learned in an echo chamber. Express your opinions carefully, with respect and kindness, so your posts can remain and we can all be enriched by them.

I agree that this person is extremely dangerous, I wouldn't want to meet up with him! Hopefully the FBI'S assistance will help solve this crime. They are definitely the experts in the U.S.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Video: It's been over 5 weeks since the Idaho student killings. Victim's father shares why he's still hopeful | CNN

CNN anchor Jim Sciutto speaks with Steve Goncalves, father of murdered University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves, and their family attorney, Shanon Gray, on the current status of the investigation. Kaylee was one of four students killed in the early morning hours on November 13.

www.cnn.com

Video: It's been over 5 weeks since the Idaho student killings. Victim's father shares why he's still hopeful | CNN

 

[x_files]

The thread is moving way too fast for me...but I posted and I should have EDITED it:

Not everyone has a conscience though. Psychopaths do not feel empathy or remorse like normal people do. They are hardwired differently.

Yes, psychopaths can feel some empathy but it takes a cold-blooded killer to stab to death four people and NOT feel any remorse. But we won't know until they catch the killer if they are guilt-ridden with remorse or feel justified or feel nothing at all.
So far they haven't turned themselves in so...we wait.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

It is still possible that they suspect someone from the inner circle but need more evidence to absolutely secure an arrest and conviction.

I recall reading a book on the Skylar Neese case, and although law enforcement suspected her 2 close friends early on, I was shocked to see what a long drawn out process it was to finally arrest them.

I believe this is someone intimately involved with at least one of the victims. I also disagree with the statement that the killer is male. With four intoxicated, sleeping victims who are stabbed in their sleep, a strong female with a lot of rage could accomplish the murders. Many females have strong upper body strength such as swimmers, truck drivers, ect.

JMO

 

[MesquiteO21]

I was shocked to see what a long drawn out process it was to finally arrest them.

(respectfully snipped for brevity)

definitely, you don't want to compromise anything at trial. I do tend to also think that the longer it goes on with no arrest the more likely it is that the perp isn't someone close to any of them. But that could just not be true. Evidence gathering has to be thorough and that can take a LONG time.

*MOO*

 

[TooMuchGun]

Video: It's been over 5 weeks since the Idaho student killings. Victim's father shares why he's still hopeful | CNN

CNN anchor Jim Sciutto speaks with Steve Goncalves, father of murdered University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves, and their family attorney, Shanon Gray, on the current status of the investigation. Kaylee was one of four students killed in the early morning hours on November 13.

www.cnn.com

Video: It's been over 5 weeks since the Idaho student killings. Victim's father shares why he's still hopeful | CNN

this interview gave me zero confidence. Poor SG looks exhausted.

 

[pandaknows]

Video: It's been over 5 weeks since the Idaho student killings. Victim's father shares why he's still hopeful | CNN

CNN anchor Jim Sciutto speaks with Steve Goncalves, father of murdered University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves, and their family attorney, Shanon Gray, on the current status of the investigation. Kaylee was one of four students killed in the early morning hours on November 13.

www.cnn.com

Video: It's been over 5 weeks since the Idaho student killings. Victim's father shares why he's still hopeful | CNN

I am hopeful too. I saw a few threads ago that someone suggested re-reading the early reporting. I went back to the New York Times on Nov 14, 2022. I think the mayor was being as accurate, forthright and careful when he stated the following:

"Art Bettge, the mayor of Moscow, Idaho, said in an interview that the authorities were still investigating what had transpired but that the case was being treated as a homicide. He said the authorities did not believe that there was a “perceivable danger to the broader public,” but he declined to say how the victims had been killed or whether a suspect was at large.

“With a crime of this magnitude, it’s very difficult to work through,” Mr. Bettge said, adding that the police needed time to piece together what had transpired. “The overall assessment is that it’s a crime of passion,” he said."