Thanks for your response to this. IMO I lean more towards a scenario like this with each passing day. I don’t think SK, but I do think someone not known or at least not well known to the victims that obsessed with every detail of his fantasy and was watching the house for the girls in particular and decided that was the night, probably because it was quiet for once. IMO someone who is a bit of a loner or rejected or bullied by College life.
I keep going back to Jayme Closs and how the right opportunity at the right time allowed him to act on his fantasy and make it real life.
I go through this same scenario and am trying to look through the criminology and psychological data on incels. We have a precedent, of course, in Elliot Rodger, but he killed himself upon completion of his vengeance. It's such a sad case. He killed his house mates (male) and then went off to exact revenge on the college community (because he was feeling rejected by wonen),
His parents had sought help for him as early as age 8. I believe he also had a major psychiatric diagnosis. Since it's in the ballpark of this crime, it's worth it to at least think along these directions.
I'm sure LE is checking this out. It's basically a more advanced/thought out version of Elliot Rodgers - which should indeed scare the heck out of all of us.
I’ve always felt from the start that this was most likely perpetrated by an incel-type individual. What I’ve always wanted to know but have yet to come across in any articles I’ve seen (and maybe I’ve missed something somehow) is, are police not able to subpoena or otherwise obtain traffic records from social media sites to view the id’s or IP addresses of users and/or devices that frequented any or all of the victims’ pages prior to the night of the murders? I know that it’s highly likely a perp like this would have used a vpn, but I haven’t heard of any forensic cyber investigation to date and my mind cannot let it go. I find it unthinkable that in this day and age, given the victims and the likely suspect (I’m not leaning towards SK at all— but I’m open to any possibility at this point) that there would not have been an element of cyberstalking taking place to some degree. I’m older than the victims, but as a millennial this is immediately where my mind went, and I can’t stop thinking about it.
Idaho has pretty strict privacy laws - and very few cameras that actually record data in public settings.
What traffic records exist within social media sites?
They can definitely set up a digital trap *after* the crime and get everyone's router data within a certain area approved by a Judge. I assume that's what they are doing (google "FBI Stingray" and see how it's been used in the past).
They can also get a warrant for a particular person's search data for Google or whatever engine they think they're using (which they would know by now) But *not* a blanket warrant for *everyone's" data - that's not okay.
Rest assured that with so many FBI on site, digital forensics is at the very forefront - and you won't hear about most of it until trial.
Two of the victims had extensive social media usage. I assume those were some of the first warrants they served. Further, amateur sleuths are able to use the already existing methods of judging SM engagement (its volume) on TikTok, Youtube and Insta. For example, clever TikTok users are able to calculate which of the victims' postings had the most engagement in the week or other time period before the murders. The results are surprising, IMO. Some day, we'll get a TikTok expert here and then maybe be able to discuss some of this.
It's one of the things that makes this case so complicated. How would we even define "cyberstalking" when a victim had some 50K followers, nearly all of whom appear not to post much and have private profiles (so they're looking at her, she would need to interact/approve their follow to see their profile - which she appears to have done). They are from all over the world, as far as I can tell.
Put that together with the many DNA profiles they probably found inside the house (aside from the victims') and it's a really tough case. But it's hard for me to put the Elantra together with "cyber stalker," so I think LE is focusing in a different direction (although who knows - they may have many different directions).