Raymonde, what has been posted here, in most cases, is from years of research by people who have spent years studying these animals. What has been presented regarding the nature and behavior of mountain lions is factual, not opinion. Early on in these threads, a number of cases of lion attacks were discussed that involved both children and adults, the majority of those in North America, and they are more than a handful. Although an attack by a mountain lion should not necessarily be expected in areas where they habitate, the possibility surely exists and previous cases indicate that. I read about a husband and wife team of wildlife photographers who wanted to photograph the eight large cats of the world in a period of one year. They stated their greatest challenge was capturing the mountain lion on film. They give a step by step account of their challenges. It's a very informative read. Sorry, but I didn't keep the link but I think it will be easy enough to find. Wildlife cameras have allowed us to see mountain lions in their natural habitat and first hand accounts of witnesses to mountain lion attacks give us a birds-eye-view as well.
ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #13
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Raymonde, what has been posted here, in most cases, is from years of research by people who have spent years studying these animals. What has been presented regarding the nature and behavior of mountain lions is factual, not opinion. Early on in these threads, a number of cases of lion attacks were discussed that involved both children and adults, the majority of those in North America, and they are more than a handful. Although an attack by a mountain lion should not necessarily be expected in areas where they habitate, the possibility surely exists and previous cases indicate that. I read about a husband and wife team of wildlife photographers who wanted to photograph the eight large cats of the world in a period of one year. They stated their greatest challenge was capturing the mountain lion on film. They give a step by step account of their challenges. It's a very informative read. Sorry, but I didn't keep the link but I think it will be easy enough to find. Wildlife cameras have allowed us to see mountain lions in their natural habitat and first hand accounts of witnesses to mountain lion attacks give us a birds-eye-view as well.
That's just one case Raymonde, there are many more of children and adults in North America.
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I cannot get on board with stranger abduction for lots of reasons. But a known abductor? TBH, that makes far more sense, especially when adding in their early statements about "who would hate us?" etc. But I'm not sure how that would tie in with the documentary. It could just be that they're as lost and confused as we are and grasping at straws -- anything that offers hope.
The difficulty I have following what you're saying is because we don't even KNOW if they were fishing or merely scouting for good fishing locations. Yet, if just scouting, they probably didn't take their gear with them so you WOULD, perhaps, find it (still) neatly put away. So I guess to you that would mean that DK didn't go on a panicked search for DeOrr? When we camp and fish, putting the fishing gear "away" means standing the poles against a tree with the tackle box on the ground. If they do the same I don't know what that would indicate (to you).
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IMO, There is NOTHING, not one sign, that points to a mountain lion attack. No scat found, no blood, no screams, no scent into the wilderness where the baby might have been carried, no sightings of a mt lion on infrared drones or whatever they used, no lost boot, no one who even said there are mt lions in that particular area.
To say it was a mountain lion flies in the face of all of the above. JMO
To say it was a mountain lion flies in the face of all of the above. JMO
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Sorry about this. I'll clear up why I posted those two images.
The green circle image represents a 75' radius but isn't marked. So I added the second image to show that it fairly accurately represents 150'.
I then placed the green circle image such that the campfire (where Deorr and GGP were said to be) is right on the edge of the circle at the three o' clock position. All present according to what we've been told would be within the green area.
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The sheriff him self said there are ml in that area.
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But there has been no evidence whatsoever that deorr was killed by a wild animal.
Well, thanks for trying. So, pretty much everything I said in my previous post (where I edited) still goes (I think, LOL).
You either haven't read the information posted from people who have spent years researching and studying mountain lines as well as the first-hand accounts from friends and families who have witnessed the brutal attacks of their loved ones, or you HAVE read it and choose to disregard it, which is okay. But what you're expecting to find or have happened should not BE expected in many cases. Because of DeOrr's small size (did you see the life-size museum mountain lion next to the small child??) an instantaneous break of his neck would pretty much be it. No scream, or a scream unheard in the forest over the loud rushing creek. There would be no blood - they drink the blood. A broken neck won't leave blood and a puncture wound would leave little, if any. We don't know what animals the drones found, do we? Like Onebest has said, not all dogs will be able to track a scent because of a variety of reasons, downwind, for example. Wildlife, when in fear of being tracked, will often stand downwind so their scent won't be detected. SB said there are mountain lions in the area. It's a no-brainer that mountain lions are in the area. The area has all the types of shelter and plants, trees, brush required for successful hunting as well as prey to sustain the mountain lion, and water to boot!
We know that DeOrr either wandered off or was taken (if he was indeed at the campground.) DeOrr could have wandered a considerable distance before being taken by human predator or animal. If DeOrr wandered further than was thought it would explain why no evidence was found (they were not searching far enough away.)
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Yes and this is the horrible and frustrating thing when there is no evidence for anything.
The Sheriff has said:
He doesn't believe abduction (but can't rule it out)
He doesn't believe animal attack (but can't rule it out)
He doesn't believe any adults present involved (but can't rule it out)
He doesn't believe Deorr is in the area searched (but can't rule it out)
Then we have the creep in the Jeep sketch by the parents and I assume the other family. LE have only shown this to locals in Leadore with a negative response. LE sitting on this makes me think they don't have much confidence in it. Similar with any sighting of Deorr in Leadore. Possibly seen in the truck.
The FBI seem as baffled as local LE.
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The sheriff never said it wasn't a ml. If so I missed it so could you please link that...
The sheriff did say tho that they didn't find any evidence of a ml attack but that he hasn't ruled it out.
Please quote him saying it was deffently not a ml and link it.
Well you know what, that's OKAY! I'm not "around" the net and even if I was (God forbid) I wouldn't care what was said. This isn't a joking matter - there's nothing funny about it! And I have no idea what you even mean by "red herring"! So all is good as the mountain lion theory lives on, based on factual information!
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Yes -- which is why I've asked several times if they're expanding the search zone, but there doesn't seem to be an answer. If someone is still asking SB questions, I'd really very much appreciate if they'd ask that one. They are estimating how far he could have gotten on his own, but perhaps he got pretty far on his own and was then "helped" further on out by a human or animal predator. I know they cannot search willy-nilly, but surely they could expand beyond that small radius particularly since they seem to think they've searched it as much as possible.
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"Red herring" means a theory thrown out there to distract people from the truth.
Doesn't make much sense.
And the only people I've even seen on the net are a bunch of overly angrey people on Facebook.....you know the sm site where everyone has an opinion yet can't even read a whole artiical. Where people can make fake profiles and lie....the whole reason its not even allowed here.
I don't really accept anything at this point except possibly that the stream and the reservoir have been thoroughly searched. I'm trying to keep my mind open to the possibilities.
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As far as I can tell, there has been no evidence that DeOrr was taken or killed by a wild animal, nor any evidence that he was abducted, nor any evidence that he was killed by his parents or by any of the other people who were there, nor any evidence that he fell in the river and was carried away, nor any evidence that he simply wandered off and got lost.
As far as I can tell, there's really no evidence whatsoever that anything happened to DeOrr. Except he's gone, so obviously something happened to him.
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Last search before the winter:
http://uvsj.com/news/local/group-pu...cle_8669e148-79b2-11e5-8336-2fb1819ebaf7.html
http://uvsj.com/news/local/group-pu...cle_8669e148-79b2-11e5-8336-2fb1819ebaf7.html
Oh, so no matter how much factual information about the probability of a mountain lion having taken little is offered, those who espouse that "theory" must do so for the sole purpose of covering up of some imagined truth. Hmmm, what COULD that "truth" be then? Well, if people are trying to cover it up as what was apparently meant in that post, that MUST mean, IMO, that they "believe" something nefarious happened to little DeOrr <modsnip>
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