ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #16

[pepelepolecat]

I wonder if one of you link masters has the link to a story that was published some time ago. A child was found in Montana (I think?) but wrongly reported to be DeOrr Kunz. Nate Eaton called DK to confirm that DeOrr was found. Does anyone have the link to this story?

**NOT the California one -- this was a kidnapped child.

ETA: This case, but I am trying to find the link to Eaton's version of it. http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/2015/08/04/tv-website-false-report-deorr-kunz/31110089/

 

[CanSleuth]

As impossible as it might be, I wondered the same thing early on. Did Deorr leave at all after the 911 call, while the initial search was going on? It would make no sense for him to stop at a store where he could be identified with the child after reporting him missing, so this is unlikely. Could the clerk at the store have witnessed Deorr Jr at 6pm on Thursday night, not Friday?

it actually has me wondering if it actually WAS Deorr with Deorr Jr. at the stagestop at 6:00.

moo

 

[minnermomma]

http://590kid.com/2016/01/25/new-lemhi-sheriff-speaks-to-kid-about-deorr-kunz-jr-s-parent/

Interesting audio interview with the Sheriff. Not much that we haven't already heard, but at the end of the Q&A, he was asked if he thought anyone other than the four adults that were present knows anything. He said, "Absolutely." Hmm...I wonder who that could be?

SBM
Midge, thanks for this! I too am very curious who any others might be.
Been looking for where I read/heard this earlier and trying to play catch up since I got in ...at @4:00 mark on this video, SB says he shared no info with Klein. Says he let him come in cold and Klein turned over his report and kinda confirmed what LE had already and what they were suspecting is how I heard it.

 

[gliving]

I wonder if one of you link masters has the link to a story that was published some time ago. A child was found in Montana (I think?) but wrongly reported to be DeOrr Kunz. Nate Eaton called DK to confirm that DeOrr was found. Does anyone have the link to this story?

**NOT the California one -- this was a kidnapped child.

ETA: This case, but I am trying to find the link to Eaton's version of it. http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/2015/08/04/tv-website-false-report-deorr-kunz/31110089/

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/when-false-news-happens/

I used google advanced search using key words Deorr Montana, and searched the domain eastidahonews. It's really easy

 

[neesaki]

Thoughts and ramblings by me (in no particular order):

I have doubts DeOrr was ever at the campsite, there was no evidence of him being there and no scent for the dogs. AbbeyBabbey posted a scenario last week that could explain how they fooled Grandpa and IR into believing he was there.

I assume cadavers went over the vehicles and found nothing, but I believe (and someone can probably clarify) that there is no "smell of death" for a couple of hours after someone dies, so if he did die at the campsite he must have been disposed of pronto.

I read upthread the parents may no longer be together which would explain not being FB friends on JM's new page.

Interesting that the Sheriff has basically said they're both liars. He knew from the start hence the lack of continued searching. He tried to lull them into a false sense of security and has probably been watching and waiting for someone to slip up.

Finally, I think an apology definitely needs to be made to the mountain lion community

Well thank you, CoverMeCagney, that's so thoughtful of you, I really appreciate it. And since that and the abduction theories are both officially off the table as of just a few days ago, we can now all move on.

And may I also add what a pleasure it is to be part of such a kind, objective, open minded, and unbiased family of sleuths as we have here on this thread. No one could ask for more.

 

[ILOKAL]

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This should help clear the air about IR
It's about time !!!


Out of the four suspects interviewed.....

Sheriff Bowerman said Issac Reinwand’s story has been the most consistent.

http://www.idahostatejournal.com/me...cle_156ed875-b71c-57e6-b472-eea0258a890e.html

Yes, I had read that. Unfortunately (actually fortunately) his consistent answers can be consistently true or consistently false.

 

[pepelepolecat]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/when-false-news-happens/

I used google advanced search using key words Deorr Montana, and searched the domain eastidahonews. It's really easy

Ah, thank you! I kept searching and searching -- I was thinking it was titled "When wrong news happens." One wrong word!

 

[gliving]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...campsite-July-cops-say-truthful.html#comments

fwiw

 

[ILOKAL]

As far as I know, none of the four have been officially cleared. As for the inconsistencies, that didn't stem from just an interview with anybody on Saturday.
It's been stated that the parents have changed their stories on numerous occasions.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what parts of the stories have changed.

Maybe I wasn't clear. Prior inconsistencies might have taken on a whole new life after the Saturday interviews. And sorry, but I have never read anything that said the parents have changed their stories on numerous occasions.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Another thing I wanted to clear up. People keep stumbling over when Deorr Sr. says "Snake River" in the first interview he and Jessica did. I believe he said that because he was referring to Snake River Search, Inc. http://www.snakeriversearch.org/

Yes, I realize there is a snakeriversearch.org.. When I stated in an earlier post that the Snake River needed to be searched is because of the trouble DeOrr (the Dad) had even saying it. He stumbled over it twice. It aggravated him that he couldn't seem to say it right and he seemed very nervous about it. I just think Snake River needs to be searched.

MOO

 

[ClaireNC]

I find it more than a little strange that all 4 of them came up inconclusive in certain areas of the poly. I mean, what are the odds on that? This fact alone gets my hinky meter dancing.

:cow:

Two of them were inconclusive because of health reasons. The sheriff said they expected that going in. The other two were determined to be "untruthful" during the polygraphs. There is a big difference. Polygraphs are not pass/fail or black/white.

Some people are just having a really hard time accepting the news that the sheriff delivered today and twisting the facts to soften the blow. Of course that is MY opinion.

 

[ClaireNC]

Yes, I realize there is a snakeriversearch.org.. When I stated in an earlier post that the Snake River needed to be searched is because of the trouble DeOrr had even saying it. He stumbled over it twice. It aggravated him that he couldn't seem to say it right and he seemed very nervous about it. I just think Snake River needs to be searched.

MOO

Just jumping off your post, LaLaw. That stumbling over Snake River was very strange, as was the entire interview. Makes me wonder if they did any drug tests on the parents during those first few days.

 

[Midge Montana]

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/crim...-parents-suspects-his-disappearance/79301014/

I'm puzzled by something at the end of this video. It states that the grandmother, Trina, said that any further finds coming in will be donated to other missing children cases. Why??? Why wouldn't they continue to use funds to help locate this toddler?
As I understand it the monies raised thus far went to pay Mr. Klein. Is he paid in full forever, or could this mean he won't be working on the case any longer? Was his fee for a set amount of time or hours of work? Even if he's all taken care of, I just can't imagine why they'd pass over donated money rather than use it in some way, any way, to find this child.

 

[Lilibet]

Although my first reaction was "It's about time", I wondered what would happen if it was a mistake. JM and DK as well as their families have been dragged through hell and back on SM. what will it be like now? Can someone be publicly called a suspect without being arrested?

BBM

Yes, someone can be publicly called a suspect without being arrested. It's a controversial practice both in the U.S. and U.K. if you do some googling. Naming a suspect or POI publicly can be very damaging if the person is later deemed to be innocent (Richard Jewell of the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing comes to mind).

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/lazarus/20050526.html

IMO Suspects are often publicly named before there is enough evidence for trial in hopes of gaining more information from others. That seems to be true in the case of the disappearance of Stephanie Warner featured in my signature. The suspect is more than likely the one who "disappeared" her, but there is no body, so more information is needed.

So, as has been pointed out, it is still entirely possible that DeOrr's parents are not the perpretators of DeOrr's disappearance or demise or of a cover-up.

I still hope little DeOrr wandered off.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspect

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-suspect.htm

 

[gliving]

Yes. Thank goodness. The fall guy is no longer destined to be the fall guy


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I know, right? I cringed when I watched the video of local 8 news reporter Chelsea Brentzel knocking on Isaac's door a few days ago, even after Klein said he was refusing all interviews without his attorney. Was kinda thinking she needs to throttle back a bit. I do see she's added a few comments to the article that accompanies the video:

http://www.localnews8.com/news/deor...d-at-the-campground-hasnt-cooperated/37525180

"After multiple phone calls to the firm Gauchy works at Local News 8 went to his office to find out what was going on in person.

Local News 8 was turned away saying Mr. Gauchy knew we called and he would get back to us if he wanted to speak about Isaac Reinwand.

According to the Idaho repository, Gauchy has represented Reinwand in at least one other case.

Local News 8 did stop by Reinwand's house but no one answered the door.

Local News 8 did speak with one of Reinwand's neighbors.

The neighbor says he thinks Reinwand is a nice guy and did nothing wrong.

He also added that he feels comfortable with him being around his grandchildren."

Me here: Chelsea also adds at the end that Klein said he was hired by Deorr's grandfather!

Which grandfather?

 

[Midge Montana]

Maybe I wasn't clear. Prior inconsistencies might have taken on a whole new life after the Saturday interviews. And sorry, but I have never read anything that said the parents have changed their stories on numerous occasions.

Don't be sorry. I *think* this information was just released today and it's hard to keep up with every article.
This is what was stated:
"Sheriff Lynn Bowerman told KTVB that Jessica Mitchell and Deorr Kunz Sr. have been "less than truthful" since the investigation began.

"They refused to give us any further information to clear up the untruthfulness and they've changed their story on numerous occasions," he said.

Here's a link to the article: http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/crim...-parents-suspects-his-disappearance/79301014/

 

[Dee10]

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/crim...-parents-suspects-his-disappearance/79301014/

I'm puzzled by something at the end of this video. It states that the grandmother, Trina, said that any further finds coming in will be donated to other missing children cases. Why??? Why wouldn't they continue to use funds to help locate this toddler?
As I understand it the monies raised thus far went to pay Mr. Klein. Is he paid in full forever, or could this mean he won't be working on the case any longer? Was his fee for a set amount of time or hours of work? Even if he's all taken care of, I just can't imagine why they'd pass over donated money rather than use it in some way, any way, to find this child.

Exactly, it makes no sense.

 

[Trident]

Two of them were inconclusive because of health reasons. The sheriff said they expected that going in. The other two were determined to be "untruthful" during the polygraphs. There is a big difference. Polygraphs are not pass/fail or black/white.

Some people are just having a really hard time accepting the news that the sheriff delivered today and twisting the facts to soften the blow. Of course that is MY opinion.

Yes, this morning I read that LE was expecting two of them to be inconsistent due to health reasons. From that point to this I question why they bothered to give them the polys if they didn't expect anything out of them.

As for JM and DK, here's what I read - inconclusive.

Bowerman says portions of polygraph tests administered to Kunz and Mitchell have come back inconclusive – including questions about knowing what happened to DeOrr, why the child disappeared and where the toddler is located.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/0...ruthful-are-suspects-in-childs-disappearance/

And I am aware polys are slippery things, but I have heard pass or fail many times in many cases. That's probably why they aren't allowed in court.

:cow:

 

[carbuff]

I dunno. The way the grandfather (in today's interview where he's defending his son) keeps talking about burying things is kind of weird, too, isn't it?

 

[Dee10]

I wonder if Vilt and Klein are witnesses? Maybe it depends on contracts signed not sure, but I would think they taped everything when they did their questioning.

ETA - We went over this before & if it was done for a lawyer, it wouldn't be admissible IIRC.