ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #9

[Timekeeper65]

Not to keep going OT but I just wanted to say I'm glad you liked it. I thought it was really well done (all the 30 for 30s are imo) and you're exactly right - 20 years later we all know his name. What happened to him and his mother was awful and inexcusable and he never really got his life back. It's heartbreaking. What I would really like to know is if people are just as familiar with who eventually confessed. I'm sure they know his name, but do they know he was the real Atlanta bomber?

And back to on-topic - if no one is ever found guilty in this case will the people still be treated differently? I wonder if Deorr's parents have lost any friends or been harassed. My gut says yes to both. We saw IR harassed and I know people think he's guilty, and lots of people on the internet (not saying at WS) have found Deorr's mom and dad guilty too. As if losing their son wasn't enough to drastically change their lives they have all this suspicion and accusations to deal with now too. I imagine they've suffered financially as well.

If DeOrr is found will that only make his parents seem guiltier, whether or not they are? I can see it happening.

Eric Robert Rudolph. Talk about hiding in plain sight. He had set up his camp very close to the home of the ex-sheriff of Cherokee County, NC. For five years he was able to evade the FBI and many other LE. He was found dumpster diving by a rookie police officer who had been on the job less than 1 year.

 

[starfire]

I want to know: How much of that creek was checked? From one end to the other and then some?

I could be wrong, but they said the search area was almost 3 miles, so I am guessing almost 3 miles downstream (?)

 

[starfire]

This is probably meaningless but it just dawned on me as being odd. In the parents' interview the dad told the story about how the helicopter guy spotted the orange insect repellent can on the bank and they thought at first it could have been a shoe or something. I'm confused because nothing Deorr was wearing was orange - his boots were also camo I believe? I don't know why they would have thought it was anything to do with Deorr since it was bright orange and nothing he was wearing was bright orange? I guess it was worthwhile to check it out but I just think that whole story is kind of strange.

My guess is that they were looking for anything that wasn't part of the natural landscape, not just what Deorr was last seen wearing. Something orange (or anything that wasn't trees/grass/rocks, etc.) could have belonged to a family member, an abductor, something Deorr wandered off from camp with, and so on.

 

[Hoosier952]

Ok, so the creek is interesting. That video was released the 17th to the news. The only recent rain (.3" combined in Leadore) prior to the video was on the 8th and a couple of days before. So theoretically, it could have been even faster moving and deeper when they were camping, but I think the extra rain would have moved out after 2 days. Now, are the shots from the video the worst places on the creek? The water is getting a natural boost from the natural decline in terrain, is it all downhill? Where are those areas compared to the actual campsite? ClaireNC and I both noticed the shallow waters where they were searching in the news video. There was also a large amount of debris. Is the ankle deep area they were searching the only ankle deep area? Even in the more questionable areas, it looks to me as though he would have had to have taken a pretty precise fall not to get caught up in the shallow waters running over the smaller rocks. I'd like to see the entire creek to get a better idea of what it's like. A handful of pictures and video clips doesn't give me much to go on.

I truly hope LE/FBI aren't as confused as I am. I'm wondering which story they are going to pick out of a hat?

 

[pepelepolecat]

Idaho Falls is the 4th largest city in Idaho. However, I do agree -- still small enough for the town gossip.

You're right of course. Clarity/accuracy matters. It's the second largest metro area -- not city.

 

[ClaireNC]

Ok, so the creek is interesting. That video was released the 17th to the news. The only recent rain (.3" combined in Leadore) prior to the video was on the 8th and a couple of days before. So theoretically, it could have been even faster moving and deeper when they were camping, but I think the extra rain would have moved out after 2 days. Now, are the shots from the video the worst places on the creek? The water is getting a natural boost from the natural decline in terrain, is it all downhill? Where are those areas compared to the actual campsite? ClaireNC and I both noticed the shallow waters where they were searching in the news video. There was also a large amount of debris. Is the ankle deep area they were searching the only ankle deep area? Even in the more questionable areas, it looks to me as though he would have had to have taken a pretty precise fall not to get caught up in the shallow waters running over the smaller rocks. I'd like to see the entire creek to get a better idea of what it's like. A handful of pictures and video clips doesn't give me much to go on.

I truly hope LE/FBI aren't as confused as I am. I'm wondering which story they are going to pick out of a hat?

This video shows the searchers in angle deep water. You can see their bare feet through the water in this image:


http://on.aol.com/video/search-intensifies-in-idaho-for-missing-toddler-518945646

There is also an image in the video where a log bridge goes over the water. It looks like the water is a few inches deep at that part. I don't think anything would get washed very far down that creek and it sounds like they searched every nook and cranny in the area close to the campground.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I wouldn't worry about gossip in a huge city of 60k. The little girl that went missing in our small town of less than 5k people knew she went missing but not many folks knew details unless they had a direct connection to LE.

Sure people can speculate and start rumors much like WS, FB, other SM but how many people in Idaho Falls you suppose would recognize the parents based on their one interview? Mom looked so distraught in her the video she looked nothing like her FB pics. IMO I don't think it's anything to be concerned with, I'd think their friends/families perspective & opinions based on actually knowing them and what they think of them will effect how they are treated by them.

 

[ninij9]

I feel like if they could get another group of maybe 30 ppl to go back to that creek, walk it six across. Stop and move every stone, limb and piece of debris and look under, I think only then I would be satisfied he wasn't there. If that was my baby my large family would have done this 6 times already. I'm not insinuating or casting blame at all, I'm just frustrated. I wish I lived in Idaho right now. I'm itching to walk that creek. Literally leave no stone unturned.

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[iamnotagolem]

I feel like if they could get another group of maybe 30 ppl to go back to that creek, walk it six across. Stop and move every stone, limb and piece of debris and look under, I think only then I would be satisfied he wasn't there. If that was my baby my large family would have done this 6 times already. I'm not insinuating or casting blame at all, I'm just frustrated. I wish I lived in Idaho right now. I'm itching to walk that creek. Literally leave no stone unturned.

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I'm right there with you. I've contemplated heading over labor day weekend and camping there to do a thorough search. Not sure I could talk the hubby into it b/c he would never recover if he found little Deorr.

 

[ninij9]

I'm right there with you. I've contemplated heading over labor day weekend and camping there to do a thorough search. Not sure I could talk the hubby into it b/c he would never recover if he found little Deorr.

I would be right there with you if I could. I can't get this little one out of my head. He needs to get home.

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[haven71]

I wouldn't worry about gossip in a huge city of 60k. The little girl that went missing in our small town of less than 5k people knew she went missing but not many folks knew details unless they had a direct connection to LE.

Sure people can speculate and start rumors much like WS, FB, other SM but how many people in Idaho Falls you suppose would recognize the parents based on their one interview? Mom looked so distraught in her the video she looked nothing like her FB pics. IMO I don't think it's anything to be concerned with, I'd think their friends/families perspective & opinions based on actually knowing them and what they think of them will effect how they are treated by them.

I have to admit, I feel a little guilty about my suspicions. If the parents are innocent (and I really hope they are) all these theories being thrown about is obviously going to take a toll on them. Who needs that when their child is missing? (For the record I am suspicious of the parents and have my own possible theories). I don't think anything would be worse than losing a child, but to have people accuse and speculate about their possible involvement, would bring me down to the worst emotions I could ever experience.

That said, I don't agree that Mom looked distraught. I thought she looked tired and resigned, like she knew finding Deorr was a hopeless cause. Sure, there are many other different ways people react. But to say "who would hurt us like that?" left me aghast. Hurt them? What about their missing child??? Also, being closed off with the media, as well as saying they believe he was abducted but from my perspective, based on what I have read and heard about, they are not searching the ends of the world and getting his picture out there to every living breathing soul. When the few facts we have don't add up, and nobody is clarifying anything, it is easy and natural to question the parent's involvement.

 

[haven71]

Off topic, but is there anyway to "mark" your last read post on here? Seems like I'm always scrolling back and forward trying to find where I left off...

TIA

 

[katydid23]

Off topic, but is there anyway to "mark" your last read post on here? Seems like I'm always scrolling back and forward trying to find where I left off...

TIA

There is a mechanism here that does that for you automatically. Go to 'new posts' and click on it. A list of threads comes up. Find the thread you want to read, and click on the green bubble and it will take you to the last post you read in that thread.

Also, you can make a 'marker post' by saying something and posting it as you sign off. Then go to 'your profile' and look at your own posts and click on the last one you posted in the thread.

 

[ninij9]

I have to admit, I feel a little guilty about my suspicions. If the parents are innocent (and I really hope they are) all these theories being thrown about is obviously going to take a toll on them. Who needs that when their child is missing? (For the record I am suspicious of the parents and have my own possible theories). I don't think anything would be worse than losing a child, but to have people accuse and speculate about their possible involvement, would bring me down to the worst emotions I could ever experience.

That said, I don't agree that Mom looked distraught. I thought she looked tired and resigned, like she knew finding Deorr was a hopeless cause. Sure, there are many other different ways people react. But to say "who would hurt us like that?" left me aghast. Hurt them? What about their missing child??? Also, being closed off with the media, as well as saying they believe he was abducted but from my perspective, based on what I have read and heard about, they are not searching the ends of the world and getting his picture out there to every living breathing soul. When the few facts we have don't add up, and nobody is clarifying anything, it is easy and natural to question the parent's involvement.

I went back and watched interview yet again. I am SO sure LE are preventing any talk of that damned EMT bag. It must be part of the evidence gathered and given to FBI (or info regarding it being missing). I cannot account for any other reason why not a single person involved in this case has mentioned it ever again. The giant pink elephant in the room. What the heck happened up there. I had to leave this thread for awhile cause it drove me bat***** crazy. I think I have to leave again.

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[TheGambler]

You can also subscribe to a thread through the drop down menu "thread tools" towards the right top of the page. Then if you click "quick links" towards the top left you can go to your subscribed threads. While you are there make a shortcut on your desktop or in your "favorites. Then when you are ready to read some more, just go to the shortcut or favorites. If you see a black circle with a white arrows pointing down to the left of a subscribed thread, you will know there are new posts added. Click on the black circle and it will take you to the last post you read in that thread.

I asked one of the mods here a while back and that info. came from them. I hope I explained it right so you can understand. If you can't understand, I'll try to clarify more.

Thank you mods for helping me with that.

 

[Aunt_Tulip]

I've seen in other cases where they test where a body might end up by placing, tossing, throwing a similar size and weight object into a creek or river over and over to see where it might end up. I wonder if that would be useful at all in this situation.

 

[ninij9]

I've also seen photos of a family member with a portable oxygen machine with a handle that he was carrying himself (lightweight) on his daughters Facebook page. I had envisioned tanks that required a generator from all of our guestimates. More mobile than I thought. Not Sleuthing just trying to give myself a more accurate picture of who what when where.

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[ninij9]

I've seen in other cases where they test where a body might end up by placing, tossing, throwing a similar size and weight object into a creek or river over and over to see where it might end up. I wonder if that would be useful at all in this situation.

Boy I hope they did that weeks ago. Why were they so sure he wasn't in that creek. The creek scared the crapola out of me. I would have complained to my husband all weekend if we had to camp near it with a two year old. I would have tied my baby to me (I'm not joking either[emoji15])

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[minnermomma]

I'm having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around this new found knowledge that IR was fishing downstream in the "crick". I have fished all my life, so far, and any pics I've seen of the creek itself, looks more like where we'd just wade or look for craw dads in the south. If I wanted fish, I'd be all over that reservoir ...but maybe he was minnow fishing? It's just crazy that you have 3 adults, M, D and IR all at the creek and a toddler slips through em every one. Just doesn't add up in my tired mind.

 

[Prancy]

I'm posting a link for an interview with the Lemhi Sheriff. This is the Idaho news station link, but I think there is also one that is uncut. Please excuse me if this has already been posted. I've been pouring over so many threads of this case, but I didn't see it. The Sheriff says they are awaiting for results from the FBI.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/