ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow - Tylee Ryan - Tammy Daybell - Charles Vallow - *Arrests* #67

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Brief book review: When the Moon Turns to Blood is a high quality fantastic read if you are interested in stepping back a bit from this case to see it in the context of broader cultural trends vis. extremism and conspiracy theories and how they create a place that these murders could occur.

If you are following this case and believe it to be about money and/or sex ONLY, the book will have little for you, except that the journalist who wrote it seems to fill in a few more interesting holes in remaining text message redactions.

But if a cultural deep dive- tying in sovereign citizens, Bundy's, new ageism, and polarized extremism interests you- I can't imagine a better read.

To me, it is the "other" hidden true crime. The matthias' go into the hidden psych environment- this book goes into the hidden sociological environment.

MOO.
 
Niner said:
So... any news on the motions hearing from yesterday? TIA! :)

I have a pretrial motions hearing on 2/23/23 for the both of them next.
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Nate Eaton
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Boyce grants Prior's motion to extend deadline to disclose discovery until March 13. Original date was Feb. 27.

@Niner This is all I could find.
 
Ruminations said:
Brief book review: When the Moon Turns to Blood is a high quality fantastic read if you are interested in stepping back a bit from this case to see it in the context of broader cultural trends vis. extremism and conspiracy theories and how they create a place that these murders could occur.

If you are following this case and believe it to be about money and/or sex ONLY, the book will have little for you, except that the journalist who wrote it seems to fill in a few more interesting holes in remaining text message redactions.

But if a cultural deep dive- tying in sovereign citizens, Bundy's, new ageism, and polarized extremism interests you- I can't imagine a better read.

To me, it is the "other" hidden true crime. The matthias' go into the hidden psych environment- this book goes into the hidden sociological environment.

MOO.
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I agree... the book is filled with historic facts which may have been hidden to some.

In simplistic terms related to this case... I think CD/LVD "used" their brand of religion to serve their personal needs/wants and grandiose plans. And, it's been done in somewhat similar ways through the years... maybe not killing spouses and children exactly but the use of "religion" for the end goals of meeting personal wants/needs.

jmo
 
There are quite a few new things filed in CD case that I found on the Facebook group. I'm not a big Facebook person but all the documents are there (like 70 page). I'll see if there is a way I can get all of them uploaded here but they include

  • State’s Eleventh Supplemental Discovery Disclosure
  • Judge’s Order Modifying Courts Order
  • Prior’s Second Renewed Motion to Sever
  • State’s Motion to Seal
  • Judge’s Order to Seal Objection to Motion
  • Judge’s Order to Seal States Motion
  • States Response to Defendants Second Motion to Compel
  • State’s Twelfth Supplemental Discovery Disclosure
  • State’s Objection and Brief in Support of States Objection to Defendants Motion to Dismiss
  • Order
 
pizzaman12 said:
There are quite a few new things filed in CD case that I found on the Facebook group. I'm not a big Facebook person but all the documents are there (like 70 page). I'll see if there is a way I can get all of them uploaded here but they include

  • State’s Eleventh Supplemental Discovery Disclosure
  • Judge’s Order Modifying Courts Order
  • Prior’s Second Renewed Motion to Sever
  • State’s Motion to Seal
  • Judge’s Order to Seal Objection to Motion
  • Judge’s Order to Seal States Motion
  • States Response to Defendants Second Motion to Compel
  • State’s Twelfth Supplemental Discovery Disclosure
  • State’s Objection and Brief in Support of States Objection to Defendants Motion to Dismiss
  • Order
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https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22211623/021323 Eleventh Supplemental Discovery Disclosure.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22211623/021323 Order Modifying Courts Order filed 121622.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22211623/021323 Second Renewed Motion to Sever.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22211623/021423 Motion to Seal.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case...on to Motion for Introduction of Evidence.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case...tates Motion for Introduction of Evidence.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case...nse to Defendants Second Motion to Compel.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22211623/021623 Twelfth Supplemental Discovery Disclosure.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case...Objection to Defendants Motion to Dismiss.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22211623/021723 Order.pdf

all links from Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest
 
 
For trial, the defense is combining the deaths of JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan and Tammy Daybell? That seems to be complicated. That Tammy's death is not a separate trial.

Tammy was killed for the insurance policy payout.
Tylee and JJ were killed for Social Security funds? And because of the fact that they were "dark"?
 
mickey2942 said:
For trial, the defense is combining the deaths of JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan and Tammy Daybell? That seems to be complicated. That Tammy's death is not a separate trial.

Tammy was killed for the insurance policy payout.
Tylee and JJ were killed for Social Security funds? And because of the fact that they were "dark"?
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It's one conspiracy that ties all the deaths together.

I'm not sure there is one motive for Tammy's death, Chad's new life with Lori was another motive. Same with the children, I don't think they were killed for financial gain, even though there was one. JMO
 
mickey2942 said:
For trial, the defense is combining the deaths of JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan and Tammy Daybell? That seems to be complicated. That Tammy's death is not a separate trial.

Tammy was killed for the insurance policy payout.
Tylee and JJ were killed for Social Security funds? And because of the fact that they were "dark"?
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Tammy was deemed dark by Chad as well. Her zombie name was Viola.
 
Tortoise said:
So this document filed by the state in Chad's case speaks about the hairs found on the duct tape, late disclosure of tips received by Rexburg Police during the search for the children, and devices seized from Chad's property.
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22211623/021623 Objection and Brief in Support of States Objection to Defendants Motion to Dismiss.pdf
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I guess it is a good thing that JJ is not biologically related to any of the 3 adults as far as DNA testing goes. It made me sick to read that information.
 
Lori's former attorney MM is still insinuating improprieties and even a LDS conspiracy. I'm glad he's off the case.

On Lori being shackled:

It’s a new unnecessary show of force by local police.

If you do not think the prosecution is playing the media visual game of looks like a guilty person by placing newly acquired leg irons on Lori your sorely mistaken.Optics for sure.Does tell you about how they feel about the strength of their case when they play appearance “games”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623744497149480961

On the prosecutor and the judge being LDS:

They are viewed as living a more righteous life and a judge for their God.This can have a substantial affect on members of the jury who are LDS and aware that the majority of state prosecutors judges in east idaho are of this religion and often times hold positions of importance

https://twitter.com/x/status/1625863200334876676

His gripe with RW:

Mr.Wood has multiple conflicts of interest especially the multiple witness he personally interviewed and per the uncontested expert testimony compromised his ethical duties, coached witnesses, personal communications via text, even meeting with Mel. Gibb the night before prelim

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626342011845369856

Claims that Lori was held without sufficient evidence against her:

Look at it from a unbiased perspective and have to agree. Prosecution has twisted and bent rules of law to wrongfully hold her and the Courts have allowed it knowingly and repeatedly. If this case ever made it’s way to an appeal the circus would finally be exposed.

 
Tortoise said:
So this document filed by the state in Chad's case speaks about the hairs found on the duct tape, late disclosure of tips received by Rexburg Police during the search for the children, and devices seized from Chad's property.
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22211623/021623 Objection and Brief in Support of States Objection to Defendants Motion to Dismiss.pdf
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This response by the state seems reasonable to me. I don't feel as if they have been holding/hiding info from the defense. But, I could be missing something or not understanding correctly.
 
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