ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow - Tylee Ryan - Tammy Daybell - Charles Vallow - *Arrests* #69

[Boxer]

Even in Daybellville, we’re way past fingerprints as a way to identify someone.

Maybe like "over-kill" there is "over-bury" as a way to express anger/rage in a crime.
Especially if burying is one of your skills.

 

[Teche]

Vallow's four former husbands are Nelson Yanes, William Lagioia, Joseph Ryan, and Charles Vallow
……

According to reports, Vallow's first marriage was to her high school sweetheart, Yanes, in 1992, and following their divorce, she then married Lagioia.

Vallow and Lagioia - the biological dad of Vallow's eldest son Colby Ryan - married in 1995, but parted ways a year later.

How many husbands has Lori Vallow had and what happened to them?

“CULT” mom Lori Vallow, whose kids were found “charred” and “buried” in Idaho nine months after they vanished, has had five different husbands since 1992. On Jul…

www.the-sun.com

Thanks. I had forgotten husband #2.

 

[Tortoise]

Different states/ municipalities have a varying rules about note taking. They have to leave their notebooks with the bailiff in every case, I believe.

MOO




MOO

Yes I remember seeing in the Alex Murdaugh case that jurors were not allowed to take notes because it detracts from observing the witness.

 

[fred&edna]

I totally missed the removal of the hands testimony... maybe my brain blocked it?

 

[887sMtreme]

I don't blame her for being paranoid. Its best not to say anything to police, ever. The police are not your friends.

All the information you seek is in forum posts, you just need to go through it and read them. I believe the data was presented in Twitter posts that were reposted here.

Is there still a list of people relevant to this case at the beginning of the forum?

 

[Tortoise]

I totally missed the removal of the hands testimony... maybe my brain blocked it?

I don't think they said removed, I believe they said missing.

Even if burned, I would think there would be bones remaining, so maybe they were removed

 

[BUF]

Interesting … it’s been a while since I listened to this bodycam of lying, flirty Lori when LE came to her house looking for JJ…

 

[BUF]

Is there still a list of people relevant to this case at the beginning of the forum?

IDK, but maybe this will help

Who's who in the Daybell case - East Idaho News

During our coverage of the deaths of people surrounding Chad and Lori Daybell, we have reported the names of many family members, friends and public officials in multiple states. At times, it can feel like a complex web of relationships. The following is a who’s who of people connected to the...

www.eastidahonews.com

 

[BeachSky]

I don't think they said removed, I believe they said missing.

Even if burned, I would think there would be bones remaining, so maybe they were removed

Makes you wonder.
IMO still believe old-pro-grave digger-Chad would of never left JJ in such a shallow one like that. He was going to do more …I think CD ran out of time because he was watched after returning from Hawaii. IMO His bonfire plans were shut down with Lori being arrested.
Thank goodness for Tammy’s sister who pointed out the pet cemetery to LE. And the neighbor who reported the (too many)long pungent bonfires.
Such evil.

MOO

 

[Nikynoo]

Logic has nothing whatever to do with it.

A big part of the appeal of any cult (including, for example, the viral online conspiracy theory QAnon), is that the members feel like 'insiders' of a special group because they have special knowledge from some ultimate authority.

In this case, Chad wrote and spoke that his near-death experiences gave him special awareness of God's plan, God was communicating through him.

The Bible is full of references to spiritual rightness vs false wordly authority, a basic example is the crucifixion.

The deaths were obviously self-serving, but IMO the more interesting question is why did previously law-abiding, even upstanding, Christians turn, in their 50s, into systematic, cold-blooded murderers, including a previously loving mother.

To understand that, I believe understanding the nature of a cult, and it's effects on the mind, are necessary.

JMO

I agree with most of what you say. However, I don’t believe that Lori was ever a ‘loving’ mother (if they who you are referring to). Lori had too much history of bending the truth going back many years and in relation to many husbands.

 

[Nikynoo]

I know this is a ways off … but do think Boyce will allow a video camera or even one still camera when a verdict is reached? I have a feeling the various media will try for this.

I am also hoping that he will allow cameras in for Chads trial.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Summary of tweets - Thursday, 4/13/23 - Melanie Gibb / part 1


Nate Eaton
@NateNewsNow
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1hr
Inside the courtroom for another day of Vallow Daybell trial. A woman with a hat pulled over her face was escorted into the courthouse by a Rexburg police officer. It appeared to be Melanie Gibb.

Lori is wearing a light gray jacket and black-rimmed glasses. Her attorneys are here and all of the prosecutors are at their table.

Judge Boyce has entered the courtroom. He reminds everyone in attendance to follow the courtroom conduct order. Larry and Kay Woodcock, along with several family members, are here. Annie Cushing and her daughter are also here.

Several members of the public are watching in the courtroom and in the overflow room in Ada County.

So many dates and people in this case. Here is a timeline that might be helpful

View attachment 414470

Jurors have been brought in the room. Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake will now question Melanie Gibb. Gibb is wearing a black top, white skirt, glasses and is sworn in. This is the first time Lori and Melanie have seen each other since 2019.

Melanie says she met Lori at a church event in 2018. She says she met Chad a year or two before she met Lori. She says when she met Chad, it was a casual introduction to each other. They periodically saw each other but were not close friends.

Melanie says she and Lori kept in touch after they met. Melanie met Tylee within a week of meeting Lori. Melanie says Tylee seemed upset and frustrated with Lori "most of the time." There was tension in the relationship, Melanie says

Melanie says she met JJ within a week or two of meeting Lori.

Melanie says Lori was affectionate with JJ and she would sing him songs at bedtime but as time went on, Lori wasn't as focused on JJ and Lori was "distracted a lot."

Melanie says she saw Lori daily or several times a week during the beginning of their friendship. Things changed in January 2019 when Lori "started moving." Melanie lived within 20-25 minutes of each other. They would get together, speak on the phone and text message.

Melanie: In January 2019, Lori decided to leave Arizona and stay with Alex. Then she went to Hawaii, then to Texas and then back to Arizona by July 2019 when Charles was killed.

Melanie says she and Lori went on a trip with 5-6 other ladies for a conference in Utah. Melanie observed a meeting between Chad and Lori. Chad and Lori had never met before. The conference was Friday, Saturday and on Sunday most people went home. Chad stayed Friday and Saturday

Lori and Melanie were in the area Friday through Sunday.

Melanie says Chad and Lori were very friendly to each other, talking a lot about the beliefs they had and there was "definitely an attraction" at the beginning. Lori was very interested in Chad - "like someone who would meet someone they're attracted too."

She seemed "flattered" with him and was "flirty-like."

Melanie says Lori had read a few of Chad's books before they met.

Melanie is asked if she ever spoke with Chad about the first time she met Lori. She says most likely, but doesn't remember. Melanie spoke with Lori after Lori meeting Chad.

"She shared with me that he told her that they had been married in another time period. She did believe that. She had already had the belief system that this multiple lives, as they would call it, she already believed that before she physically met him."

Melanie says Lori told her Lori had been married to the prophet Moroni from The Book of Mormon.

After the conference, Lori kept in touch with Chad on the phone, according to Melanie. Chad was married to Tammy at the time and Lori was married to Charles. Both spouses were still alive.

Melanie says she learned of the term "multiple probations" when she first started interacting with Lori. Lori and Chad introduced this teaching to Melanie and Chad often spoke about it.

Lori told Melanie that she and Chad often spoke about multiple probations. Melanie says the definition of "multiple probations" changed the longer they knew each other but the basic belief was you could live multiple times on the earth and it would be different for everyone.

Two weekends after the meeting, Chad came to Arizona for another event. Melanie and Lori went to this conference. Lori held a meeting at her house before the conference. Melanie does not remember if Chad was there.

Melanie saw Lori and Chad interacting at the conference. Chad stayed at Lori's house over the weekend. Charles was out of town, according to Melanie. Lori told Melanie that she had been married 4-5 times as other "characters." Chad too.

Lori told Melanie that the weekend Chad came to Arizona, they met in the LDS temple together and were sealed together by Moroni and Jesus Christ. "That relatonship of multiple lives was reunited." This happened in a waiting room - not a sealing room in the temple.

Lori was open with Melanie about her feelings for Chad. Lori only told people in her small group about her and Chad.

Lori told Melanie about the 144,000 people who will be here during the return of Jesus Christ to earth. Lori then said Chad and Lori would be leading the group and do a lot of missionary work ahead of the Second Coming.

Melanie lists the names of those who were "in the group" and close with Lori, including Alex Cox and Melani Pawlowski. Within weeks of Melanie meeting Lori, Lori began telling her how Chad and Lori were supposed to lead the 144,000.

Melanie describes a light and dark scale that Lori told her about after she met Chad. People who were light had signed contracts with the Savior, those who were dark signed contracts with Satan before coming to earth.

Melanie says Lori taught her about the light and dark scale. Lori would teach other friends and her brother about the scale. Anyone who was dark was working under the contract of Satan. Melanie says someone could switch from light to dark and dark to light.

Brandon Boudreaux and Charles Vallow were not present for these meetings and were not told about these teachings. Melanie says Lori would not have considered Charles part of their inner circle.

One day in January 2019 Lori told Melanie that Charles Vallow was taken over by an evil spirit. Chad had told Lori this and it was the first time Lori had heard this. Charles was now dark.

Lori said she had a dream where Charles was in a car accident in Texas and would not be coming back home by Jan. 1. JJ was with Charles at that time and would have been traveling back with Charles. Charles was never in an accident. Melanie asked Lori what happened.

"You shared you thought he was going to die" - and Lori responded, "He didn't because Satan interfered with the plan."

Lori is looking at Melanie during this testimony and also taking notes.

Lori told Melanie about "castings." This involved a prayer to get the evil spirit out of someone and encourage the spirit to come out by the power of God. Melanie participated in a casting in January/February 2019 after Lori learned Charles was dark.

Charles was the first person Lori ever called dark.

The first casting Melanie was involved in was with Lori and a group of women at Zulema Pastenes' house (Alex Cox was not married to her at this time). This casting involved prayer and words "convincing the spirit to leave the body."

This would be the spirit that took over a particular person's body.

Melanie says the first time the group thought they had cast an evil spirit named "Ned" out of Charles' body. But Charles was still alive so the teachings changed and now a spirit named "Garrick" or "Garrett" entered Charles' body.

Lori cast this spirit out of Charles but then the final spirit "Heblows" entered Charles' body.

Melanie says weeks after the original idea of spirit taking over bodies, Lori started to use the term "zombie."

Melanie says Lori was present for all of the castings. Chad was present for one casting, according to Melanie. The one Chad attended was right after Charles' death. Melanie recalls possibly participating in a casting for Brandon B.

Lori told Melanie that Brandon was dark and he had an evil spirit in him.

Brandon was part of Hitler's group and was considered a "very high dark," Melanie says. She does not recall participating in castings for anyone else.

Lori told Melanie that Charles, Brandon, one of Lori's brothers (not Alex), Lori's dad, Tylee, Kay and JJ were all dark. Random people were also dark.

Melanie says if Tammy Daybell was considered dark, it was right before Tammy died. Lori told Melanie sometime between February-June 2019 that Tylee was dark. In September 2019, Lori told Melanie JJ was possessed. Many jurors are taking notes during Melanie's testimony.

The night before Charles died, Lori told Melanie that Alex was spending the night at her house because Charles was going to kill her. After Charles died, Lori told Melanie that he had been argumentative with her.

The spirit told Lori to pick up Charles' phone and he was upset she took his phone. Lori said they argued, he threatened her and Tylee came out with a baseball bat to protect herself. Alex went to get his gun to protect him and then he shot Charles.

This is all according to what Lori told Melanie.

Melanie says after Charles died, Lori and Chad were happy.

Prior to Charles' death, Melanie says Chad and Lori communicated multiple times a day. Melanie says Lori had 2-3 cell phones. One phone was just for Chad.

Lori told Melanie that she and Chad would meet at hotels. Lori shared "they were intimate" while Charles and Tammy were still alive. Lori said this was according to God's will because they had been married in multiple lives and had a mission together.

During this testimony, Lori is frantically taking notes in the courtroom.

Melanie said right before JJ was killed, Lori said he was difficult to handle. It was hard for her to take care of him and be with Chad. Lori indicated she was going to ask Kay if Kay could take care of JJ going forward.

Melanie says she last saw Tylee in July-August 2019 before Lori and Alex moved with the kids to Idaho.

After Lori moved to Idaho, Melanie recalls talking with her on the phone and Melanie heard Tylee in the background.

Lori asked Melanie to come visit her in Idaho in September 2019. There was a seminar in Rexburg so Melanie and her boyfriend David Warwick went up. They stayed at Lori's house. Melanie did not see Tylee and Lori told Melanie that Tylee was at BYU-Idaho with roommates.

Melanie asked Lori about Tylee's belongings and Lori said they had been put in storage. Lori didn't talk much about Tylee. Melanie did see JJ and Lori told Melanie that JJ had an evil spirit in him. Lori learned this the day before from Chad.

Lori told Melanie JJ's behavior was more difficult and he would say things like "I love Satan." JJ would climb up on the fridge on top of the cabinets and was acting aggressively. "Lori tried to explain how he was changing into a more negative type of demeanor."

Melanie says she did not notice any changes in JJ & he appeared to be a typical 7-year-old autistic kid. Melanie has experience with autistic children-she says his behavior was normal. She never observed him climbing on counters but one day he was upset & Chad took him upstairs.

After Chad took JJ upstairs, he came downstairs and Melanie asked Chad why his neck was so red. Chad responded that JJ had scratched his neck.

Melanie says Chad and Lori were very affectionate that weekend. She went with them to walk around the track at BYU-Idaho and they explored the campus. As they were leaving, Chad gave Lori a hug and a kiss.

Chad asked David Warwick not to share about his relationship with Lori with anyone.

Lori told Melanie that Moroni appeared to her in a temple on Sept. 22. Melanie says the last time she saw JJ was on Sept. 22 as Alex was taking JJ upstairs. Melanie and David left the next day and she does not recall seeing JJ before the left on the Sept. 23.

Melanie remembers asking Lori before Charles died why he would want to kill her. Lori said it was because she had a million-dollar life insurance policy. Lori then said Charles had a life insurance policy but if Charles died, all the money would go to Kay.

Lori asked why she didn't get a divorce from Charles. Lori said that wasn't the Lord's plan and if Chad got a divorce, he would be "penalized" for that. "Chad would lose his exaltation or standing with God."

Melanie never saw JJ again after the night of Sept. 22. She never returned to Idaho to see Lori again but spoke with her occasionally. Melanie next heard from Chad around Thanksgiving. He told her the Rexburg police would be calling and told Melanie not to answer the phone.



link: https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow


continued...

Lori's such a shallow nitwit, isn't she?

'what could I tell people to scandalize them about JJ... ooo I know... i'll tell them he was saying 'I love Satan'; because that’s the absolute worst thing she can think of anybody saying, lol.

Lori, in reference to Joe Ryan: 'what can I say that’s going to be so bad that it will stop him from getting custody immediately?… I know! I’ll say he’s gay and looks at gay *advertiser censored*!'

*Lori then tells Melani to make same exact fake complaints against Brandon; she does*

 

[iamshadow21]

I don't think they said removed, I believe they said missing.

Even if burned, I would think there would be bones remaining, so maybe they were removed

Hand bones are small, easily lost, and often not all are recovered even in a simple shallow grave burial. We know there was burning. We know Tylee was dismembered, probably to facillitate this. It's possible the tiny bones were burnt at a high enough temperature to become very brittle, and be destroyed by rough handling or tools. It's also possible that they were just never found, and remain in the soil or ashes at the site.

If they explicitly said her hands were removed, I would expect they found something like toolmarks on the bones of her lower arms. But I've been following Gannon and only playing catchup, here, so I don't know what was said in court.

I am not a forensic anthropologist or pathologist, I am just an amateur with an interest in forensics, so this is all just my opinion only.

 

[Nikynoo]

As well as control, I think meting out punishments is also a very large part of her nature, although punishment doesn't seem to be the right word because it suggests retaliation for a wrong. To invent an infidelity, and really try to hurt Charles and strip him of everything, and to take away the things that kept JJ stable, his dog, his medication and his iPad, when it was her who was in love with another man, just shows an astounding level of cruelty and spite that she can just whip up out of nowhere. Something drives her to be cruel and to demonize others, to raze others to the ground, way before Chad came along with zombie names and dark ratings. IMO

And this is why imo she killed Charles,Tylee and JJ …

 

[mickey2942]

I am also hoping that he will allow cameras in for Chads trial.

I am going to guess a big No Way on cameras. "They" don't want this trial to be any bigger or have more interest than it already has.

 

[indicolite22]

MG and ZP did not bring much new information in their testimonies. Maybe MBP will be more forthcoming than she was in her interviews. AB's account would be completely new to the public. At some point Chad's neighbor(s) might testify. I wonder if neighbors who observed Chad's several bonfires were also the ones who met Lori only a week after Tammy's death. Perhaps not.

 

[Nikynoo]

What happened to Lori’s 1st husband? Is he Colby birth father?

I think the second husband was Colbys dad. Third husband was Tylees dad, fourth was Charles.

Edited as I had too many husbands (not me, but Lori).

 

[indicolite22]

Lori's such a shallow nitwit, isn't she?

'what could I tell people to scandalize them about JJ... ooo I know... i'll tell them he was saying 'I love Satan'; because that’s the absolute worst thing she can think of anybody saying, lol.

Lori, in reference to Joe Ryan: 'what can I say that’s going to be so bad that it will stop him from getting custody immediately?… I know! I’ll say he’s gay and looks at gay *advertiser censored*!'

*Lori then tells Melani to make same exact fake complaints against Brandon; she does*

Lori's attorney tried to justify BB's gay claim by bringing up BB's photo(s) from a certain establishment. It seemed weird that he would go into such detail in this trial. IIRC, MBP referred to visions, not evidence when she accused BB of things.

 

[mickey2942]

This is interesting, Charles Vallow's ex wife is being interviewed by East Idaho news.

 

[Nikynoo]

I am forming a theory in relation to Tammys and possibly Alex’s death. Anyone know why Tammy was prescribed tramadol? Did she have any back or neck problems?