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ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #72
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Summary of tweets for Tuesday, May 2nd - Day 15
State witness: Fremont County Sheriff's Office Detective Bruce Mattingly.
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Dr. Christensen leaves the courtroom. Next witness called by the state is Fremont County Sheriff's Office Det. Bruce Mattingly. He has been on the stand before.
Blake will be questioning Mattingly.
Mattingly has worked for the Fremont County Sherriff's Office for 22 years. He has been a detective for six years.
Mattingly received a call on Oct. 19, 2019 for a report of the unattended death of Tammy Daybell. Deputy Greenhalgh went out of the house and called Mattingly. He says she told him she did not find anything suspicious. Mattingly did not respond to the house.
Deputy Greenhalgh told Mattingly she learned about the event on Oct. 9 for a report of a suspicious call of a paintball gun pointed at Tammy. Mattingly was not involved in the paintball gun investigation. No additional investigation was done into Tammy's death on Oct. 19
Mattingly says on Nov. 1, the Fremont County Sheriff's Office began investigating the disappearance of JJ and Tylee. They began investigating Tammy's death in December.
Mattingly says it became a joint investigation because the FBI, Rexburg Police, Chandler Police and Gilbert Police were all doing investigations into suspicious activities.
Mattingly says they obtained a search warrant for Seasons Medical, Teton Medical and Walmart pharmacy. Blake asks to admit Tammy's medical records as evidence.
The medical records will not be shown to the court and jury at this time. The defense asks to review them. Mattingly says he reviewed them and from an investigative standpoint, nothing stood out to him.
Blake asks if Mattingly saw anything in Tammy's medical records that showed she had a history of fainting. Mattingly says he did not. She asks if Tammy had any dizziness or dizzy spells. "None." Blake asks if Tammy had a history of seizures or low blood pressure.
Mattingly says there was none and her medical history was "completely opposite" of what Chad told investigators.
Detectives noticed a Fitbit on Tammy's nightstand. Mattingly issued a search warrant to Fitbit and received information back from the company. There was no heart rate or sleep patterns recorded on the Fitbit but Tammy's step count was recorded.
Blake displays an image on the big courtroom screen showing Tammy's Fitbit activity. Mattingly says the device Tammy tracked her heartrate but not record the history. It also appeared that Tammy very rarely wore the Fitbit to bed.
"The reason we were looking for that is so we could narrow down her time of death."
We now see a screen showing the total number of steps Tammy took each month from January through October 2019.
Total steps for the year was 2,787,647. Mattingly says compared to averages, Tammy's steps were a little below average in the first part of the year but she was above average the rest of the year. "Tammy was very active up until the time of her death."
There was no slowdown in Tammy's activity in the month leading up to her death, Mattingly testifies.
He says he never found anything to support she was having health issues but he did learn Tammy was involved in clogging, Zumba and was preparing for a 5K that she completed just before school started in 2019.
Mattingly says Tammy had two life insurance policies. One was from Primerica, the other was from LifeMap. Mattingly sent search warrants to both companies. Blake asks to admit documents associated with the life insurance.
Tammy and Chad were listed on the Primerica policy. They were each the beneficiaries on the policy. The amount for Tammy was $300,000. It was paid to Chad Daybell when Tammy died. On the LifeMap policy, Tammy was insured and Chad was the beneficiary.
The amount was for $80,000 and it was paid out to Chad.
Mattingly clarifies there was an additional $50,000 on the LifeMap policy - so the total payout was $130,000. Blake has no further questions. Archibald will now cross-examine.
Archibald asks Mattingly if he learned Lori was in Hawaii at the time of Tammy's death. Mattingly says he was aware of that. Archibald asks Mattingly if he knew Lori's device was not on Cahd Daybell's property on Oct. 9 or 19. Mattingly says, "It was not."
Archibald asks if Mattingly if he knew what type of medicine Tammy was on. He says Tramadol and an anti-depressant. Mattingly believes the Tramadol was for pain in her wrist.
Archibald asks Mattingly if he reviewed Tammy's school personnel file. Mattingly says he did and there were no issues - she was a good employee.
Mattingly says the Primerica life insurance policy was established in Springville, Utah before Tammy and Chad moved to Idaho. The LifeMap policy was offered through the school district.
Tammy worked part-time at the district and when she went full-time, she was eligible for a maximum amount. After working at the district a year, she was eligible to receive five times her annual salary.
Archibald asks if the life insurance companies wanted their money back from Chad Daybell because of fraud. Mattingly says it was discussed but he's not sure if anything came of it. Archibald has no further questions.
Blake asks for a sidebar with Boyce and the other attorneys. White noise is played in the courtroom.
Sidebar is over. Blake is now asking Mattingly some follow-up questions. "Are you aware whether or not Mr. Daybell does have charges pending for insurance fraud?" Mattingly says he can't recall.
"Did you learn whether or not the defendant was living off the proceeds of those insurance funds while living in Hawaii with Lori Vallow?" Blake asks. Mattingly says, "He was." Blake has no further questions and Mattingly is released from the stand.
link: https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow
State witness: Fremont County Sheriff's Office Detective Bruce Mattingly.
Nate Eaton
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Dr. Christensen leaves the courtroom. Next witness called by the state is Fremont County Sheriff's Office Det. Bruce Mattingly. He has been on the stand before.
Blake will be questioning Mattingly.
Mattingly has worked for the Fremont County Sherriff's Office for 22 years. He has been a detective for six years.
Mattingly received a call on Oct. 19, 2019 for a report of the unattended death of Tammy Daybell. Deputy Greenhalgh went out of the house and called Mattingly. He says she told him she did not find anything suspicious. Mattingly did not respond to the house.
Deputy Greenhalgh told Mattingly she learned about the event on Oct. 9 for a report of a suspicious call of a paintball gun pointed at Tammy. Mattingly was not involved in the paintball gun investigation. No additional investigation was done into Tammy's death on Oct. 19
Mattingly says on Nov. 1, the Fremont County Sheriff's Office began investigating the disappearance of JJ and Tylee. They began investigating Tammy's death in December.
Mattingly says it became a joint investigation because the FBI, Rexburg Police, Chandler Police and Gilbert Police were all doing investigations into suspicious activities.
Mattingly says they obtained a search warrant for Seasons Medical, Teton Medical and Walmart pharmacy. Blake asks to admit Tammy's medical records as evidence.
The medical records will not be shown to the court and jury at this time. The defense asks to review them. Mattingly says he reviewed them and from an investigative standpoint, nothing stood out to him.
Blake asks if Mattingly saw anything in Tammy's medical records that showed she had a history of fainting. Mattingly says he did not. She asks if Tammy had any dizziness or dizzy spells. "None." Blake asks if Tammy had a history of seizures or low blood pressure.
Mattingly says there was none and her medical history was "completely opposite" of what Chad told investigators.
Detectives noticed a Fitbit on Tammy's nightstand. Mattingly issued a search warrant to Fitbit and received information back from the company. There was no heart rate or sleep patterns recorded on the Fitbit but Tammy's step count was recorded.
Blake displays an image on the big courtroom screen showing Tammy's Fitbit activity. Mattingly says the device Tammy tracked her heartrate but not record the history. It also appeared that Tammy very rarely wore the Fitbit to bed.
"The reason we were looking for that is so we could narrow down her time of death."
We now see a screen showing the total number of steps Tammy took each month from January through October 2019.
Total steps for the year was 2,787,647. Mattingly says compared to averages, Tammy's steps were a little below average in the first part of the year but she was above average the rest of the year. "Tammy was very active up until the time of her death."
There was no slowdown in Tammy's activity in the month leading up to her death, Mattingly testifies.
He says he never found anything to support she was having health issues but he did learn Tammy was involved in clogging, Zumba and was preparing for a 5K that she completed just before school started in 2019.
Mattingly says Tammy had two life insurance policies. One was from Primerica, the other was from LifeMap. Mattingly sent search warrants to both companies. Blake asks to admit documents associated with the life insurance.
Tammy and Chad were listed on the Primerica policy. They were each the beneficiaries on the policy. The amount for Tammy was $300,000. It was paid to Chad Daybell when Tammy died. On the LifeMap policy, Tammy was insured and Chad was the beneficiary.
The amount was for $80,000 and it was paid out to Chad.
Mattingly clarifies there was an additional $50,000 on the LifeMap policy - so the total payout was $130,000. Blake has no further questions. Archibald will now cross-examine.
Archibald asks Mattingly if he learned Lori was in Hawaii at the time of Tammy's death. Mattingly says he was aware of that. Archibald asks Mattingly if he knew Lori's device was not on Cahd Daybell's property on Oct. 9 or 19. Mattingly says, "It was not."
Archibald asks if Mattingly if he knew what type of medicine Tammy was on. He says Tramadol and an anti-depressant. Mattingly believes the Tramadol was for pain in her wrist.
Archibald asks Mattingly if he reviewed Tammy's school personnel file. Mattingly says he did and there were no issues - she was a good employee.
Mattingly says the Primerica life insurance policy was established in Springville, Utah before Tammy and Chad moved to Idaho. The LifeMap policy was offered through the school district.
Tammy worked part-time at the district and when she went full-time, she was eligible for a maximum amount. After working at the district a year, she was eligible to receive five times her annual salary.
Archibald asks if the life insurance companies wanted their money back from Chad Daybell because of fraud. Mattingly says it was discussed but he's not sure if anything came of it. Archibald has no further questions.
Blake asks for a sidebar with Boyce and the other attorneys. White noise is played in the courtroom.
Sidebar is over. Blake is now asking Mattingly some follow-up questions. "Are you aware whether or not Mr. Daybell does have charges pending for insurance fraud?" Mattingly says he can't recall.
"Did you learn whether or not the defendant was living off the proceeds of those insurance funds while living in Hawaii with Lori Vallow?" Blake asks. Mattingly says, "He was." Blake has no further questions and Mattingly is released from the stand.
link: https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow
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IMO it looks like CD is getting thrown under the bus with the line of questioning.
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wow! 'Don't call the Bishop' says Chad to Alice Gilbert ( Nate's tweets)
afaik Chad was Exec Secretary to the Bishop in his ward
'They were stunned. Chad was not stunned." ( Nate's tweets)
No wonder Emma allegedly spoke to Julie Rowe and was pressing to find out whether Chad had anticipated her death ( HTC interview )
shocking ' he didn't want anything to do with her or her siblings.'
afaik Chad was Exec Secretary to the Bishop in his ward
'They were stunned. Chad was not stunned." ( Nate's tweets)
No wonder Emma allegedly spoke to Julie Rowe and was pressing to find out whether Chad had anticipated her death ( HTC interview )
shocking ' he didn't want anything to do with her or her siblings.'
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At 7 a.m. on Oct. 19, Emma called Gilbert sobbing and said her mom had died. Chad took the phone from Emma and told Gilbert not to tell anyone and wait for about an hour. Gilbert told Chad she needed to call the bishop. Chad told her not to call the bishop - but she still did.
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I can't believe I'm saying this:
Poor Emma!
MOO
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So callous when I lost my husband I couldn't function for , well a long time I did what I had to do but other than that.
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Summary of tweets for Tuesday, May 2nd - Day 15
State witness: Alice Gilbert, neighbor of Daybell's / Part 1
Blake calls Alice Gilbert to the stand. Gilbert says she moved into the Daybell's neighborhood and LDS ward in 2017. Gilbert worked with Tammy at church.
Gilbert was the Relief Society President and Tammy was the first counselor. She says they met once a week for meetings and then on Sundays. They began serving together in October 2018 and were in the same presidency until Tammy died.
Gilbert says Tammy was shy, very organized and knew computers very well. Whenever they planned an activity, Tammy said, "Let's keep it simple." And it seemed to work - "and that's how she lived. Simple."
Gilbert says Tammy and Chad's relationship was normal at first. He would help set up chairs for activities and support her. In 2019, he became more distant. Tammy never mentioned her relationship to Gilbert but did once mention that finances were becoming strained.
Gilbert never noticed Tammy slow down before her death - "in fact, I think it's increased." Gilbert never saw Tammy faint or have shaking fits.
At 7 a.m. on Oct. 19, Emma called Gilbert sobbing and said her mom had died. Chad took the phone from Emma and told Gilbert not to tell anyone and wait for about an hour. Gilbert told Chad she needed to call the bishop. Chad told her not to call the bishop - but she still did.
Gilbert went over to the house around 8:30 a.m. and Chad met them at the door. Chad gave her a hug and all the kids were there with their spouses except for Mark. "The children were stunned. They were all on the couch and chairs and they could hardly speak.
They were stunned. Chad was not stunned."
Gilbert had seen Tammy the previous Wednesday and she seemed fine. Tammy did not complain of any health issues and she never had a coughing fit. Gilbert asked the kids if they had breakfast and they had not. Gilbert said she and her husband would go get them breakfast.
As she got up to leave, Chad told her the funeral was going to be Tuesday and a memorial on Wednesday. Gilbert said this seemed very quick and she asked if Chad planned this - meaning if Tammy and Chad had previously planned their funerals, etc.
Chad responded, "No." Gilbert says it caught her off guard.
Gilbert went to Tammy's funeral in Springville. "I had to tell her goodbye," she says as she starts to cry. She grabs a tissue and apologized for crying. "She looked good. I had to see her."
Gilbert says the funeral was nice and the kids all spoke. "They did a good job," she recalls. "They did really nice talks and tributes to her." Chad spoke last. "He gave a good talk too. Maybe more like a church talk than a spouse would speak about their spouse."
Gilbert did not go to the memorial service the next day because they were at the funeral. The Relief Society presidencies and Bishop took a meal that night to Chad's house. Chad was there and said he was moving out because he couldn't be there.
Chad said he was moving to Rexburg to a friend who had a condo. He said his friend was hardly ever there and was letting Chad stay there. "He called the friend a 'he.'" Gilbert thought it was a male friend.
Gilbert says the kids were eating and didn't question their father about him moving. On the following Friday, Gilbert stopped in to see Emma and Garth. Emma was crying, she missed her mom and she said Chad "didn't want anything to do with her or her siblings."
Gilbert then went to Garth's house. "He said he was hoping he wouldn't lose his dad." Gilbert says Emma got very sick and lost a lot of weight. The ward and school district went bringing in meals to the children who were living at Chad and Tammy's house.
After about a week, Gilbert called Chad and asked if she could come and visit Chad with her husband. Chad said no but said he would come and see her. We are now going on a morning break until 10:45 a.m.
link: https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow
State witness: Alice Gilbert, neighbor of Daybell's / Part 1
Blake calls Alice Gilbert to the stand. Gilbert says she moved into the Daybell's neighborhood and LDS ward in 2017. Gilbert worked with Tammy at church.
Gilbert was the Relief Society President and Tammy was the first counselor. She says they met once a week for meetings and then on Sundays. They began serving together in October 2018 and were in the same presidency until Tammy died.
Gilbert says Tammy was shy, very organized and knew computers very well. Whenever they planned an activity, Tammy said, "Let's keep it simple." And it seemed to work - "and that's how she lived. Simple."
Gilbert says Tammy and Chad's relationship was normal at first. He would help set up chairs for activities and support her. In 2019, he became more distant. Tammy never mentioned her relationship to Gilbert but did once mention that finances were becoming strained.
Gilbert never noticed Tammy slow down before her death - "in fact, I think it's increased." Gilbert never saw Tammy faint or have shaking fits.
At 7 a.m. on Oct. 19, Emma called Gilbert sobbing and said her mom had died. Chad took the phone from Emma and told Gilbert not to tell anyone and wait for about an hour. Gilbert told Chad she needed to call the bishop. Chad told her not to call the bishop - but she still did.
Gilbert went over to the house around 8:30 a.m. and Chad met them at the door. Chad gave her a hug and all the kids were there with their spouses except for Mark. "The children were stunned. They were all on the couch and chairs and they could hardly speak.
They were stunned. Chad was not stunned."
Gilbert had seen Tammy the previous Wednesday and she seemed fine. Tammy did not complain of any health issues and she never had a coughing fit. Gilbert asked the kids if they had breakfast and they had not. Gilbert said she and her husband would go get them breakfast.
As she got up to leave, Chad told her the funeral was going to be Tuesday and a memorial on Wednesday. Gilbert said this seemed very quick and she asked if Chad planned this - meaning if Tammy and Chad had previously planned their funerals, etc.
Chad responded, "No." Gilbert says it caught her off guard.
Gilbert went to Tammy's funeral in Springville. "I had to tell her goodbye," she says as she starts to cry. She grabs a tissue and apologized for crying. "She looked good. I had to see her."
Gilbert says the funeral was nice and the kids all spoke. "They did a good job," she recalls. "They did really nice talks and tributes to her." Chad spoke last. "He gave a good talk too. Maybe more like a church talk than a spouse would speak about their spouse."
Gilbert did not go to the memorial service the next day because they were at the funeral. The Relief Society presidencies and Bishop took a meal that night to Chad's house. Chad was there and said he was moving out because he couldn't be there.
Chad said he was moving to Rexburg to a friend who had a condo. He said his friend was hardly ever there and was letting Chad stay there. "He called the friend a 'he.'" Gilbert thought it was a male friend.
Gilbert says the kids were eating and didn't question their father about him moving. On the following Friday, Gilbert stopped in to see Emma and Garth. Emma was crying, she missed her mom and she said Chad "didn't want anything to do with her or her siblings."
Gilbert then went to Garth's house. "He said he was hoping he wouldn't lose his dad." Gilbert says Emma got very sick and lost a lot of weight. The ward and school district went bringing in meals to the children who were living at Chad and Tammy's house.
After about a week, Gilbert called Chad and asked if she could come and visit Chad with her husband. Chad said no but said he would come and see her. We are now going on a morning break until 10:45 a.m.
link: https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow
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ugh!
'The Relief Society presidencies and Bishop took a meal that night to Chad's house. Chad was there and said he was moving out because he couldn't be there.'
and so many lies
'Chad said he was moving to Rexburg to a friend who had a condo. He said his friend was hardly ever there and was letting Chad stay there. "He called the friend a 'he.'"
and this too! Ofc he's callous but what was the rush - Chad wasn't even living there so why did speed matter?
'The Relief Society presidencies and Bishop took a meal that night to Chad's house. Chad was there and said he was moving out because he couldn't be there.'
and so many lies
'Chad said he was moving to Rexburg to a friend who had a condo. He said his friend was hardly ever there and was letting Chad stay there. "He called the friend a 'he.'"
and this too! Ofc he's callous but what was the rush - Chad wasn't even living there so why did speed matter?
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AFAIK, HTC didn't interview JR. JR's info about Emma comes from her own Eyes Open podcast.
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I know but I couldn't be sure which HTC episode it was. Looking at my past posts looks like it was HTC with Suzanne Freeman, where Lauren plays the Julie Rowe clip - originally recorded in another show - in the middle of the interview with Freeman.
I linked to it last week. . Here it is again . At around 1hr 9 mins, apparently. ( Suzanne's comments on ' grooming' follow )
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The hair was stuck to the sticky side of duct tape applied to the black bag. It was affected by decomp fluids. Wasn’t just floating around.
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Imagine the jury's faces hearing this
26th Oct - 7 days later
Nate's still on break but Gigi is back
shocking 'Chad said Lori recently lost a daughter.' Chad helped to burn and bury her - at the very least - just weeks earlier
26th Oct - 7 days later
Nate's still on break but Gigi is back
shocking 'Chad said Lori recently lost a daughter.' Chad helped to burn and bury her - at the very least - just weeks earlier
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The problem with Chad's story is that his son reportedly heard a noise in the morning which was supposedly Tammy falling out of bed. By then she had been dead for hours. She couldn't have received bruises at that time, even if she was pushed off the bed by Chad. If she fell out of bed earlier in the night and died soon after without being heard, her body would have made no noise in the morning.
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