indicolite22
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Do we know the name of AB's attorney? Does it start with G?
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Good question.Why did Lori get agitated after Tammy's death?
I think he decided to stay put a little longer for HIS kids, since they were still around.Good question.
I think this is one of those testimonies that we're going to have to listen to on the audio uploads to see if there's any hint in the way Audrey related this
IDK if Audrey is using that to justify what she said later eg ' I was uncomfortable' followed by the bombshell or whether it's a hindsight type comment. Or whether she genuinely was uncomfortable at the time.
re the question you're asking, taking it at face value yes it could be due to a conversation with Chad ( Chad has said maybe the wedding should wait a couple more weeks? or ' I'm not sure that I should move out of mine and into yours so quickly, it might look bad')
IDK. Why did L rush back, leaving Melani there in Hawaii. Some kind of urgency
I didn't quite follow what prompted the threats. Lori laughed at her for being gullible and then out of the blue threatened to kill her? What was said in between? Did Lori sense that AB was leaving the group or questioning their teachings? Or was she jealous (AB is younger than her)?
It's the perfect deflection. When the world thinks you might be a co-conspirator, better to say that you were a potential victim. Not saying that Z deliberately concocted the story to mislead but psychologically she might have felt the need to reinterpret that night.I'm not sure I believe ZP about the massage. It's a little too convenient to paint herself as a possible victim.
I didn't quite understand what AB was uncomfortable with enough to leave, except for the castings, but she participated in multiple ones.Good question.
I think this is one of those testimonies that we're going to have to listen to on the audio uploads to see if there's any hint in the way Audrey related this
IDK if Audrey is using that to justify what she said later eg ' I was uncomfortable' followed by the bombshell or whether it's a hindsight type comment. Or whether she genuinely was uncomfortable at the time.
re the question you're asking, taking it at face value yes it could be due to a conversation with Chad ( Chad has said maybe the wedding should wait a couple more weeks? or ' I'm not sure that I should move out of mine and into yours so quickly, it might look bad')
IDK. Why did L rush back, leaving Melani there in Hawaii. Some kind of urgency
Well, this was apparently a surprise to the prosecutors, too. So I doubt it.If MP has a similar story as AB, or if AB told MP the bombshell story close to the time it happened, it's game over for LVD.
ETA, or told anyone else.
IIRC, Chad moved in with Lori right after Tammy's funeral and that's when she returned from Hawaii.Good question.
I think this is one of those testimonies that we're going to have to listen to on the audio uploads to see if there's any hint in the way Audrey related this
IDK if Audrey is using that to justify what she said later eg ' I was uncomfortable' followed by the bombshell or whether it's a hindsight type comment. Or whether she genuinely was uncomfortable at the time.
re the question you're asking, taking it at face value yes it could be due to a conversation with Chad ( Chad has said maybe the wedding should wait a couple more weeks? or ' I'm not sure that I should move out of mine and into yours so quickly, it might look bad')
IDK. Why did L rush back, leaving Melani there in Hawaii. Some kind of urgency
or worried what the Bishop might think? ( he was still exec sec to the Bishop)I think he decided to stay put a little longer for HIS kids, since they were still around.
I would imagine that in the days before, it would have been in anticipation of things not going to plan or that Chad would wimp out. In the days after, probably concerned about Chad being found out?Why did Lori get agitated after Tammy's death?
Wait…What????
Aubrey says LV threatened to cut her up into pieces and said there would be blood & bleach & trashbags and it never came up in grand jury testimony or even on direct exam today but comes up at the last minutes of her testimony on cross? Really?
I couldn’t blame her for being scared of LVD back in 2019 or maybe even at the grand jury hearing but if she was going to share that today, why not on direct? I’m not sure the prosecution knew of this or perhaps they thought it too unbelievable to ask about since it wasn’t disclosed before???
I think my first step would have been to forget my things upstairs and get out of that house and to a police station asap…but even if I didn’t do that then, after all this time - after two dead spouse and two dead children, I’m certain I would have called and spoken to Rexburg PD about it by now.
I think I’d have a hard time believing this if I was on the jury and it might prevent me from believing anything else this witness said…maybe…or maybe I’m just in shock and have to think about that more
ZP is a chameleon, IMO. Always saying the right things to the right audience.It's the perfect deflection. When the world thinks you might be a co-conspirator, better to say that you were a potential victim. Not saying that Z deliberately concocted the story to mislead but psychologically she might have felt the need to reinterpret that night.
If one wanted to be less generous one might say it's a part of the narcissism ? (wtte of ' OMG It could have been me next')
Anyway Z came across better at trial than I'd expected. I think she is ashamed of her involvement now.
I believe Z mostly- and I think she is more sincerely trying to put justice ahead of herself. She is light years ahead of Melanie and David in my opinion in that way.It's the perfect deflection. When the world thinks you might be a co-conspirator, better to say that you were a potential victim. Not saying that Z deliberately concocted the story to mislead but psychologically she might have felt the need to reinterpret that night.
If one wanted to be less generous one might say it's a part of the narcissism ? (wtte of ' OMG It could have been me next')
Anyway Z came across better at trial than I'd expected. I think she is ashamed of her involvement now.
Or perhaps she was worried that someone else would nab Chad, seeing as he was a new widower?Good question.
I think this is one of those testimonies that we're going to have to listen to on the audio uploads to see if there's any hint in the way Audrey related this
IDK if Audrey is using that to justify what she said later eg ' I was uncomfortable' followed by the bombshell or whether it's a hindsight type comment. Or whether she genuinely was uncomfortable at the time.
re the question you're asking, taking it at face value yes it could be due to a conversation with Chad ( Chad has said maybe the wedding should wait a couple more weeks? or ' I'm not sure that I should move out of mine and into yours so quickly, it might look bad')
IDK. Why did L rush back, leaving Melani there in Hawaii. Some kind of urgency
yes there must have been jungle drums or whisperings online & in private FB groups/AVOW or whateverI didn't quite understand what AB was uncomfortable with enough to leave, except for the castings, but she participated in multiple ones.
It's possible that Tammy's relatives started having suspicions about her death, but they didn't know about Lori yet, so perhaps not.
IMO, most of that circle are and I’ll extend it to some of the witnesses we’ve heard this week too.ZP is a chameleon, IMO. Always saying the right things to the right audience.
Actually Jews are only 1/12 of the 144,000 (tribe of Judah); the rest are from the remaining tribes of Israel. Since we as Christians are part of Israel, there will be plenty of us too. The purpose of the 144,000 according to the Bible is to encourage and evangelize during the tribulation, and they are protected (sealed) from the judgements.Yes in Revelations, referring to the Jews.
The AVOW owner was defending Chad up until the children's bodies were found on his property.yes there must have been jungle drums or whisperings online & in private FB groups/AVOW or whatever