Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #60

[meanmaryjean]

Regarding AC’s death, a pulmonary embolism isn’t a ‘guess’ or ‘go-to’ if they can’t find anything else during an autopsy. It’s an actual clot that probably traveled from his legs as a deep vein emboli/thrombosis and up to his lungs. A PE can be very fatal very very fast.

I once had a patient come into the ER screaming she couldn’t breathe and couldn’t be calmed down. There’s a little saying ‘if you can talk you can breathe’ so while we knew something was wrong we also knew she was ‘breathing’, but that’s how awful a PE is. She ended up dying within an hour of arriving to the ER from a PE. You can also have small (ignorable) symptoms for a while before it becomes fatal.

You don’t even need to be unhealthy to get a PE. Serena Williams got a PE after a long plane flight and some recent lower extremity injuries (both huge risk factors for PE). It’s all about clots and blood viscosity and blood pressure, etc. Hadn’t AC traveled to Las Vegas before his death to get married? He was probably pretty immobile for long periods of time, may not have been taking his BP meds, under stress which could have raised his BP and HR.

My point is, PEs are scary and sudden and can literally happen to anyone. I know we’d like to see the villains in this story be responsible for his death because it fits a narrative that makes more sense than him dying so suddenly and conveniently, but I just don’t see the ME getting this wrong. You can’t really induce a clot like that just to kill someone, and if you could it’s doubtful it would be big enough or travel far enough to cause a PE, Heart attack, or stroke without stopping at smaller veins first.

A PSA before I go, if you’re going to travel it’s important to walk and stretch your legs every hour and if your MD says it’s okay take a baby aspirin before.

MOO.

PLUS he was a truck driver - prime candidate for a PE.

 

[Spartygirl]

Wow! Just reading the AZ affidavit and Z and Lori had communications re how CV was a dark spirit. It would appear Alex’s new wife/widow agreed that CV needed to go.

I’m even more convinced now that regardless of the Coroner’s findings to the contrary, AC’s death wasn’t by natural causes. Or should I say the natural causes that killed him didn’t occur naturally.

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I have NEVER believed AxC death was "natural Cause"
I know people have questioned me with "but that is what autopsy said, so must be true"
WELL-- I still don't believe it and after reading this, just re-enforces my opinion also.
I mean, AxC died the day AFTER TD's body was exhumed, which to my knowledge, nobody in that group knew it was happening until the evening before, or day of, IIRC.
AxC had to go-- either by his own hand or he had "help" but either way, he had to go. JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

Yep. When their only breaths of fresh air are for court appearances in other jurisdictions for more opportunities to be given the death sentence.

Just for the record, I am anti-death sentence. It’s too final, while evidence kinda isn’t. Please don’t all beat up on me.

I am all for the death sentence--in most cases.
Just NOT this case
I feel that LVD and CD would "WELCOME " the DP so just for that fact alone, I hope it is not even recommended.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I am all for the death sentence--in most cases.
Just NOT this case
I feel that LVD and CD would "WELCOME " the DP so just for that fact alone, I hope it is not even recommended.

i agree with you that Lori would welcome the Death penalty, being that she is a goddess after all.
But I believe Chad would cry like a baby. I don’t for one second think he ever believed his bs.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Regarding AC’s death, a pulmonary embolism isn’t a ‘guess’ or ‘go-to’ if they can’t find anything else during an autopsy. It’s an actual clot that probably traveled from his legs as a deep vein emboli/thrombosis and up to his lungs. A PE can be very fatal very very fast.

I once had a patient come into the ER screaming she couldn’t breathe and couldn’t be calmed down. There’s a little saying ‘if you can talk you can breathe’ so while we knew something was wrong we also knew she was ‘breathing’, but that’s how awful a PE is. She ended up dying within an hour of arriving to the ER from a PE. You can also have small (ignorable) symptoms for a while before it becomes fatal.

You don’t even need to be unhealthy to get a PE. Serena Williams got a PE after a long plane flight and some recent lower extremity injuries (both huge risk factors for PE). It’s all about clots and blood viscosity and blood pressure, etc. Hadn’t AC traveled to Las Vegas before his death to get married? He was probably pretty immobile for long periods of time, may not have been taking his BP meds, under stress which could have raised his BP and HR.

My point is, PEs are scary and sudden and can literally happen to anyone. I know we’d like to see the villains in this story be responsible for his death because it fits a narrative that makes more sense than him dying so suddenly and conveniently, but I just don’t see the ME getting this wrong. You can’t really induce a clot like that just to kill someone, and if you could it’s doubtful it would be big enough or travel far enough to cause a PE, Heart attack, or stroke without stopping at smaller veins first.

A PSA before I go, if you’re going to travel it’s important to walk and stretch your legs every hour and if your MD says it’s okay take a baby aspirin before.

MOO.

I appreciate your post. And PE’s are scary. No doubt about the medical examiner knowing this.

I think what we are all alluding to is that someone (even Alex himself) could have given him something undetectable that would cause a PE and the medical examiner may not have looked any further or maybe it wasn’t detectable. The timing is just too eerie for this to be a coincidence.

Did you read the charging document against Lori for Charles death? Alex’s widow was all into this months before Charles died. She was in this one hundred percent. And she was given immunity in the case in Idaho. Again,I understand where you are coming from, but I do believe something occurred that made Alex’s death not an accident or natural. JMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

It looks like the immunity is in AZ - from the link below:
The “introductory conversation” was meant to be a brief opportunity for both parties to officially meet, said Shiflet’s attorney Garrett Smith.

“We had a similar one with my [other] client Zulema Pastenes [Alex Cox’s widow], but that had more to do with her use immunity agreement,” Smith told the court.


Judge Rules Prosecutor In Lori Vallow Case Can Continue Representing State

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what the immunity agreement is or what it relates to.

ETA it could be this attorney - https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/85201-az-garrett-smith-411587.html

I find it very interesting that Summer and Zulema use the same attorney. Lori’s family and Chad’s group are very, very tight knit. Very strange. I’m sure the prosecutors are all over this.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I disagree. He received a full autopsy immediately after death because police knew, at that point, that the children plus the Daybell's were missing. They had also been searching for AC with regards to CV's death.

He received a full and thorough internal autopsy, and samples were taken per normal procedures. No medical examiner keeps bodies hanging around in spare fridges indefinitely.

The initial autopsy was the only autopsy.
READ: The medical examiner and toxicology reports on Alex Cox - East Idaho News

It is interesting how easy it is for people to twist facts to suit their own beliefs. I don't think they do it deliberately, but I see it happening all the time, by criminals and non-criminals.

It was not a second autopsy. However, they did do a second review on the samples that were kept. And detectives were there when the second review was done. They were looking for traces of something but whatever they were searching for wasn’t found. There was quite a discussion about this many threads ago.

 

[Teche]

Regarding AC’s death, a pulmonary embolism isn’t a ‘guess’ or ‘go-to’ if they can’t find anything else during an autopsy. It’s an actual clot that probably traveled from his legs as a deep vein emboli/thrombosis and up to his lungs. A PE can be very fatal very very fast.

I once had a patient come into the ER screaming she couldn’t breathe and couldn’t be calmed down. There’s a little saying ‘if you can talk you can breathe’ so while we knew something was wrong we also knew she was ‘breathing’, but that’s how awful a PE is. She ended up dying within an hour of arriving to the ER from a PE. You can also have small (ignorable) symptoms for a while before it becomes fatal.

You don’t even need to be unhealthy to get a PE. Serena Williams got a PE after a long plane flight and some recent lower extremity injuries (both huge risk factors for PE). It’s all about clots and blood viscosity and blood pressure, etc. Hadn’t AC traveled to Las Vegas before his death to get married? He was probably pretty immobile for long periods of time, may not have been taking his BP meds, under stress which could have raised his BP and HR.

My point is, PEs are scary and sudden and can literally happen to anyone. I know we’d like to see the villains in this story be responsible for his death because it fits a narrative that makes more sense than him dying so suddenly and conveniently, but I just don’t see the ME getting this wrong. You can’t really induce a clot like that just to kill someone, and if you could it’s doubtful it would be big enough or travel far enough to cause a PE, Heart attack, or stroke without stopping at smaller veins first.

A PSA before I go, if you’re going to travel it’s important to walk and stretch your legs every hour and if your MD says it’s okay take a baby aspirin before.

MOO.

My 21 yr. old daughter (RN) was diagnosed with 2 pulmonary embolisms. She had several tests and the specialists couldn't determine the pain in her diaphragm. One night at work she began experiencing pain and swelling in her thigh. She was healthy before this...physically active and had a normal BMI. She was hospitalized for 6 days. It was determined that she had a genetic blood clotting disorder.

 

[Love Never Fails]

My 21 yr. old daughter (RN) was diagnosed with 2 pulmonary embolisms. She had several tests and the specialists couldn't determine the pain in her diaphragm. One night at work she began experiencing pain and swelling in her thigh. She was healthy before this...physically active and had a normal BMI. She was hospitalized for 6 days. It was determined that she had a genetic blood clotting disorder.

I’m so sorry. I hope she is better now and takes medicines for this.

 

[Teche]

PLUS he was a truck driver - prime candidate for a PE.

However, I don't think he was working much before his death. He did drive from Rexburg to Arizona and possibility flew to Las Vegas for the quickie wedding.

 

[Teche]

I’m so sorry. I hope she is better now and takes medicines for this.

Thank you! She done great. She remains proactive and took blood thinners when she was pregnant. All is good.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Thank you! She done great. She remains proactive and took blood thinners when she was pregnant. All is good.

Wonderful. Thank you.

 

[Teche]

I appreciate your post. And PE’s are scary. No doubt about the medical examiner knowing this.

I think what we are all alluding to is that someone (even Alex himself) could have given him something undetectable that would cause a PE and the medical examiner may not have looked any further or maybe it wasn’t detectable. The timing is just too eerie for this to be a coincidence.

Did you read the charging document against Lori for Charles death? Alex’s widow was all into this months before Charles died. She was in this one hundred percent. And she was given immunity in the case in Idaho. Again,I understand where you are coming from, but I do believe something occurred that made Alex’s death not an accident or natural. JMO

One cannot be taken if one has a blood clotting disorder. It seems like many threads ago it was mentioned that the Cox family had a history of blood clots.

 

[Teche]

I find it very interesting that Summer and Zulema use the same attorney. Lori’s family and Chad’s group are very, very tight knit. Very strange. I’m sure the prosecutors are all over this.

I don't think that Lori’s family knew much about Chad’s family. Lori’s sister stated that she was introduced to Chad at one of his meetings. This was mentioned in her meeting with Mr. Wood.

 

[justanurse]

I appreciate your post. And PE’s are scary. No doubt about the medical examiner knowing this.

I think what we are all alluding to is that someone (even Alex himself) could have given him something undetectable that would cause a PE and the medical examiner may not have looked any further or maybe it wasn’t detectable. The timing is just too eerie for this to be a coincidence.

Did you read the charging document against Lori for Charles death? Alex’s widow was all into this months before Charles died. She was in this one hundred percent. And she was given immunity in the case in Idaho. Again,I understand where you are coming from, but I do believe something occurred that made Alex’s death not an accident or natural. JMO

Yes I read the report.

When I heard AC died I would have bet my life savings they either killed him, had him killed, or he committed suicide. I 100% knew it wasn’t natural. Then the autopsy came out and I read the headline “natural causes” and I still KNEW it wasn’t natural. There’s just no way.

Then I read the article and saw PE was the cause and I can only describe it as someone who had been a flat earther presented with irrefutable proof we live on a globe. It was crushing.

So I get why people are hanging on to this belief. I get it. I hated letting it go.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and not believing experts when they tell us something (if the past year has taught us anything it’s most certainly taught us that). So pick and choose the facts you want to believe, that’s your right.

 

[MsJosie]

I am all for the death sentence--in most cases.
Just NOT this case
I feel that LVD and CD would "WELCOME " the DP so just for that fact alone, I hope it is not even recommended.

If the DP is on the table, which it will be, they won’t be put to death. Idaho has a strange law….for the crimes they committed they would get TEN years. If the DP is on the table they get life without parole.

it’s really strange. I have heard this explained many times, the last on Tricias podcast last night.

Can a Lawyer please explain Idaho’s law better…please and thank you.

 

[Love Never Fails]

One cannot be taken if one has a blood clotting disorder. It seems like many threads ago it was mentioned that the Cox family had a history of blood clots.

It was also mentioned several threads ago that Alex didn’t go to doctors. He didn’t Like to go to doctors. It’s possible he wasn’t aware he had the family history.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yes I read the report.

When I heard AC died I would have bet my life savings they either killed him, had him killed, or he committed suicide. I 100% knew it wasn’t natural. Then the autopsy came out and I read the headline “natural causes” and I still KNEW it wasn’t natural. There’s just no way.

Then I read the article and saw PE was the cause and I can only describe it as someone who had been a flat earther presented with irrefutable proof we live on a globe. It was crushing.

So I get why people are hanging on to this belief. I get it. I hated letting it go.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and not believing experts when they tell us something (if the past year has taught us anything it’s most certainly taught us that). So pick and choose the facts you want to believe, that’s your right.

I respect you and I believe you. Now as far as experts, may I just say, MOO, experts can be wrong. Science is often proven wrong. I am not trying to pick and choose the facts. It is what it is.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don't think that Lori’s family knew much about Chad’s family. Lori’s sister stated that she was introduced to Chad at one of his meetings. This was mentioned in her meeting with Mr. Wood.

Lori’s sister, Summer, certainly knew Zulema, one of Chads worshippers, very well. And if you watch the video of Justin Lum’s interview with Lori’s nephew I think you will find the family all did as Lori told them to. Lori’s mother and sister are certainly suspect in looking back at their interviews, as much that they said was not true. They knew much more than they stated.

 

[Teche]

Lori’s sister, Summer, certainly knew Zulema, one of Chad's worshippers, very well. And if you watch the video of Justin Lum’s interview with Lori’s nephew I think you will find the family all did as Lori told them to. Lori’s mother and sister are certainly suspect in looking back at their interviews, as much that they said was not true. They knew much more than they stated.

I do know that Zulema was an acquaintance of Summer. They share the same attorney and attended the meeting with the DA. I misunderstood your statement. I thought you meant that Chad and the Daybell family were friends.