Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #3

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Adding to the financial discussion. I haven’t looked this up and am not familiar.

social security. Could Lori be receiving this from Charles? And JJ Be receiving as well? I think kids receive it from parents, do could tylee be receiving from joe? And now chad could be receiving on Tammy?
 
According to Idaho Statutes ...

What types of deaths are required to be investigated?
(1) When a county coroner is informed that a person has died, the county coroner shall investigate that death if:

(a) The death occurred as a result of violence, whether apparently by homicide, suicide or by accident;

(b) The death occurred under suspicious or unknown circumstances; or

(c) The death is of a stillborn child or any child if there is a reasonable articulable suspicion to believe that the death occurred without a known medical disease to account for the stillbirth or child’s death.

(2) If a death occurs that is not attended by a physician and the cause of death cannot be certified by a physician, the coroner must refer the investigation of the death to the sheriff of the county or the chief of police of the city in which the incident causing the death occurred or, if such county or city is unknown, to the sheriff or chief of police of the county or city where the body was found. The investigation shall be the responsibility of the sheriff or chief of police . . .

Idaho Code Ann. § 19-4301.

What types of deaths are required to be autopsied?
The coroner may, in the performance of his duties under this chapter, summon a person authorized to practice medicine and surgery in the state of Idaho to inspect the body and give a professional opinion as to the cause of death. The coroner or the prosecuting attorney may order an autopsy performed if it is deemed necessary accurately and scientifically to determine the cause of death. Idaho Code Ann. § 19-4301B.
So, one of two things happened. Either a physician determined the cause as a natural death or the Sheriff of Fremont County determined that, at the time, the death was not suspicious.

I am still curious as to what was, and how it was learned, to be suspicious.
 
I don’t understand this if he got ex communicated after his wife died, but if it was before then yes, that could be a precipitating factor in my mind too.

True. I was talking more in general. Can you imagine if a bunch of Mormons get busted for OJ, anything else, and convicted regarding this case? From what I understand, felonies can get you kicked to the curb. JMO
 
According to Idaho Statutes ...

What types of deaths are required to be investigated?
(1) When a county coroner is informed that a person has died, the county coroner shall investigate that death if:

(a) The death occurred as a result of violence, whether apparently by homicide, suicide or by accident;

(b) The death occurred under suspicious or unknown circumstances; or

(c) The death is of a stillborn child or any child if there is a reasonable articulable suspicion to believe that the death occurred without a known medical disease to account for the stillbirth or child’s death.

(2) If a death occurs that is not attended by a physician and the cause of death cannot be certified by a physician, the coroner must refer the investigation of the death to the sheriff of the county or the chief of police of the city in which the incident causing the death occurred or, if such county or city is unknown, to the sheriff or chief of police of the county or city where the body was found. The investigation shall be the responsibility of the sheriff or chief of police . . .

Idaho Code Ann. § 19-4301.

What types of deaths are required to be autopsied?
The coroner may, in the performance of his duties under this chapter, summon a person authorized to practice medicine and surgery in the state of Idaho to inspect the body and give a professional opinion as to the cause of death. The coroner or the prosecuting attorney may order an autopsy performed if it is deemed necessary accurately and scientifically to determine the cause of death. Idaho Code Ann. § 19-4301B.
So, one of two things happened. Either a physician determined the cause as a natural death or the Sheriff of Fremont County determined that, at the time, the death was not suspicious.

I am still curious as to what was, and how it was learned, to be suspicious.
 
Moo lots of moo as well!
It seems that LE must know the location of all known vehicles Chad and Lori have access to. Otherwise, LE would say what vehicle to look for.

With the amount of security around plane travel, wouldn’t it be fairly easy to see if they flew to another state?

In the newest press release, Rexburg police states: “Lori Vallow has chosen instead to leave the state with her new husband.”

AND that “We know that the children are not with Lori and Chad Daybell and we also have information indicating that Lori knows either the location of the children or what has happened to them. “

MOO MOO MOO
So based on this, it seems to me that LE has spoken to the person that transported Lori and Chad and they said at that time the children were not with them.
Regarding the bolded part by me, it's interesting that they mention Lori knowing where the kids are/what happened to them, versus mentioning that Lori AND Chad know where the kids are/what happened to them.
 
Adding to the financial discussion. I haven’t looked this up and am not familiar.

social security. Could Lori be receiving this from Charles? And JJ Be receiving as well? I think kids receive it from parents, do could tylee be receiving from joe? And now chad could be receiving on Tammy?

Good call! How long does it take for SS benefits to be awarded to minors in the event of a parent's death?
 
True. I was talking more in general. Can you imagine if a bunch of Mormons get busted for OJ, anything else, and convicted regarding this case? From what I understand, felonies can get you kicked to the curb. JMO

It is amazing the amount of people who don't realize that lying to LE will land you in jail. I have seen cases where someone got more time for OJ than the person they lied for.
 
How well was Chad Daybell known to the worldwide, even U.S., Mormon congregation? I mean, we all know the Osmonds are Mormons, right? Did your average Mormon know about him? I'm just questioning what kind of reach he actually has beyond a small group treating him like a celebrity. I'm wondering how soon him and Lori find the help running out if they don't have long term hiding arrangements. JMO.

I'm curious to know this too. He was obviously a big name in a small niche (Mormons with some specific, off the wall beliefs), but wonder how well he is known outside of that. Heck, I'm a star in my own little niche too. If the niche is small enough, it's not that big of a deal. (We're all stars in our own little niche, even if you've never thought about it. :) )

Umm, I guess this is MOO.
 
Good call! How long does it take for SS benefits to be awarded to minors in the event of a parent's death?[/
Good call! How long does it take for SS benefits to be awarded to minors in the event of a parent's death?

Speaking from personal experience, not very long within a month of the parents death. And TyLee would be cut off at 16 unless she was enrolled in school.

Sorry for the bad grammar I am on my phone using speech-to-text.
 
Just so you know, while there is no "public announcement", the information comes to the ward clerk from Salt Lake to make it official. So at that point, at least 4 people in the ward known ( B, 1 and 2, clerk). I'm sure you know where I'm headed with this ;). Moo.

Trying to read through the lines here. Are you leaning towards folks demise of late had to do with knowledge of ex communication, which might hurt income, leading to loss of support and therefore stuff happened?
 
I'm curious to know this too. He was obviously a big name in a small niche (Mormons with some specific, off the wall beliefs), but wonder how well he is known outside of that. Heck, I'm a star in my own little niche too. If the niche is small enough, it's not that big of a deal. (We're all stars in our own little niche, even if you've never thought about it. :) )

Umm, I guess this is MOO.

Yep. My dogs throw a ticker tape parade everytime I walk in the door. I am BIG business. ;)
 
Adding to the financial discussion. I haven’t looked this up and am not familiar.

social security. Could Lori be receiving this from Charles? And JJ Be receiving as well? I think kids receive it from parents, do could tylee be receiving from joe? And now chad could be receiving on Tammy?
Adding to the financial discussion. I haven’t looked this up and am not familiar.

social security. Could Lori be receiving this from Charles? And JJ Be receiving as well? I think kids receive it from parents, do could tylee be receiving from joe? And now chad could be receiving on Tammy?

Parent can receive some on behalf of a minor child if the other parent is deceased. So Lori could be receiving for both Tylee and JJ, although anything for JJ would have started fairly recently. The money for Tylee would have stopped at her 18th birthday, I think. (Believe it can go beyond 18th birthday if a full time student, at least a HS student, not sure about college.)

As for money due to a dead spouse from SS, that can happen, but not at Lori's age. If she was 62-ish (I think that's the age, but not positive) then the potential to get SS based on Charles rather than her earnings would have been there. I'm not sure what the requirements for that to happen are though and, since she was way too young, moot.
 
Air travel has been mentioned. Could they have, I don't even know what to call them, associates? who would have access to a small private plane? Those don't even have to file a flight plan, do they? Could any of Chad's fans on his super secret forum be financially well-off & doing the funding?
 
Great, I was wondering when the two new details would hit national news. Looking forward to FB or YouTube broadcasts. Many news stations are moving to Youtube and facebook for their broadcasts to follow.

Thanks

iirc, a newbie poster here is from HI. Is it hitting the news here *racks brain trying to remember who was poster from HI that knew the family*
 
How well was Chad Daybell known to the worldwide, even U.S., Mormon congregation? I mean, we all know the Osmonds are Mormons, right? Did your average Mormon know about him? I'm just questioning what kind of reach he actually has beyond a small group treating him like a celebrity. I'm wondering how soon him and Lori find the help running out if they don't have long term hiding arrangements. JMO.
I don't think he was very famous, outside of Utah, Idaho, Arizona, some California etc. I emailed some LDS friends that live in other places, even a couple that like LDS fiction, they had never heard of him. I don't think he was being sold anymore at Deseret Book, for a while now, and I think he was mainly at Seagull Book, along with tons of other so-so self-published writers of highschoolish fiction.
 
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Trying to read through the lines here. Are you leaning towards folks demise of late had to do with knowledge of ex communication, which might hurt income, leading to loss of support and therefore stuff happened?
Nope, not anything between the lines regarding this case at all. Just my own personal experience, and human nature in general. Moo.
 
True. I was talking more in general. Can you imagine if a bunch of Mormons get busted for OJ, anything else, and convicted regarding this case? From what I understand, felonies can get you kicked to the curb. JMO

I think it depends a lot on the specific situation. Here, if they spin it right to their leaders, show the proper signs of remorse and a desire to do better (aka repentance) then I think they'd be able to remain in good standing with the church. Heck, there are numerous examples of child molesters managing to do so, harboring a fugutive is nothing in comparison. MOO.
 
Adding to the financial discussion. I haven’t looked this up and am not familiar.

social security. Could Lori be receiving this from Charles? And JJ Be receiving as well? I think kids receive it from parents, do could tylee be receiving from joe? And now chad could be receiving on Tammy?

I am not sure Chad would receive SS for Tammy unless they had minor children. (AFAIK, Chad is not SS age). On the other hand, I believe Lori would be eligible to receive benefits on behalf of both Tylee (through age ? 16, 18? not sure) and JJ for an unknown duration, depending on the extent of any disability he may have.
 
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