Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #4

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Maxxer500 said:
Gonna steal a page from @Gardener1850 's book and put a disclaimer here:
I have only ever posted to Websleuths with details on this case, anyone claiming to be me is lying. If I ever do make statements or posts outside of Websleuths I will post the link to it myself.

With that out of the way, here's another three and a half hours of catching up:



I'm the VI you reference. I have no concrete knowledge of where Chad and Lori were married, all I know is that my side of the family found out about the marriage at the same time Chad said he was in Hawaii.






The only source claiming Chad has been excommunicated is Daily Mail, which does not have a stellar reputation. Based on precedent from the LDS Church, unless Chad or someone close to him speaks out we will never know if he has been excommunicated. They will likely never make a statement about this case either (from what I've read they could get in legal trouble if they did). Having the LDS Church make a statement will likely have no impact on this case, in large part because your everyday practicing LDS member already agrees that Chad and Lori should just show us the kids. The people who may be involved in hiding the kids have likely already stopped listening to most LDS practice.



I have a screenshot I will try to attach that outlines AVOW's first-layer paywall. You can find this info easily on their official website. I do not know what the deeper, second-layer paywall looks like.
Edit: Despite reminding myself multiple times I forgot to attach it. It should be there now, sorry.



An Elder has no authority to speak for the LDS Church. Even the ward's Bishop or one of his counselors does not have the authority to speak for the church. It'd be like the cashier at the corporate grocery store also serving as the spokesperson.
Not making public statements about situations such as this case is well in precedence of the LDS Church. See my previous post.
My family, friends of my family, and many others in my life are LDS. They all want Chad and Lori to show us the kids. Only the people who have cut contact with me and my family have unclear stances.



Hi I'm one of Tammy's relatives. On the Douglas side of things we are in full support of finding the missing kids and cooperating with law enforcement wherever they ask us (I don't know how much they've contacted anyone in the family). We haven't been public because we don't want to lose the Daybell kids, and making public statements condemning their father is a pretty good way to lose them. As it stands the family has been displeased with my activity here on WS.
The Daybell kids have likely been instructed by the lawyer Chad set them up with to not get involved. I wish they would cooperate with LE, but I'm in no position to convince them to.



I've never heard anything about the Daybells being against autopsy, though the topic certainly never came up. The reason everyone was ticked off about Tammy's exhumation was no one was notified, so we first heard about it through the news weeks after it happened.



I'm the VI you reference. The Daybell kids have cut contact with the Douglas side of the family, with very little exception. We were lucky enough to be invited to the re-dedication of Tammy's grave, where only 1 Daybell kid attended. Even if I had contact with them though, I would not dare get near asking them about Tammy's death. It's been 2 months, and if I haven't finished grieving her there's no way they have.



I have been saying this from the beginning but people won't drop it.



I want to clarify/reiterate that it is totally possible that the Daybell kids are only in contact with Chad via lawyer. I haven't heard anything to suggest they've had direct contact with him, and the fact they're now pointing people to the same lawyer as Chad makes me think that lawyer has a lot going on right now.



The fact he referred them to Chad's lawyer makes me think that Sean Bartholick is the lawyer Chad set them up with.



I'm trying to recall the context to this quote but if I'm remembering right: (The money from Chad's paywall shenanigans)
Chad's involvement in AVOW and PAP was a surprise to the family (please recall that AVOW is where his paywall exists). Everyone was surprised when he skipped town and told us he remarried. He's been hiding things from everyone already, to think he also hid such things from Tammy isn't that far fetched. I personally like to think that based on Tammy's character she would have been displeased in Chad monetizing his "visions", especially since he was supposedly putting reference of his visions in his books.

Alrighty, another catch-up post down. As always, if you feel I missed your post or need further clarification throw me an @Maxxer500 or quote me. I've been sick for a day now but I won't let that keep me from responding.
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Many thanks for your time
 
The argument that Chad's children didn't even met Tylee and Joshua so, we shouldn't even expect them to do or say something doesn't even make sense. Their father married these kids' mother. They are nowhere to be found. Lori said that Tylee died, Chad said that Lori doesn't have any underage children. And the Daybell siblings are not expected to care or be concerned because they never met these kids? Come on. I do agree that talking about them on the internet or having media outlets chasing them is not going to do anything, but LE should be paying close attention to them IF they are really talking to their father. IF they know where he and Lori are, the right thing to do is to tell the truth, not on social media, not to the media, but to LE. Even if Tammy's autopsy reveals that there wasn't any foul play involved, Chad is still on the run from the FBI, with a woman who has a trail of suspicious, weird deaths around her. To me, that is case for concern.
 
Per GH interview (last night) with Charles Vallow's sister... Charles was cremated. Did we know this already?? (about 1:08) ETA: Actually, I'm not sure this matters as it is known he died from gunshot wounds.

 
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Thank you @Maxxer500 for all of your insight into this horrible situation.

Do you happen to know the make/model of any of Chad’s or Tammy’s vehicles?

I only ask because of footage from California on December 30th of what appears to be a ca. 2005 dark grey Lexus RX 330 driving off of the side of a cliff, and with Lori’s previous discussion of driving off of cliff sides with her children ("It's gonna be the end of the world, and we should all just drive off a cliff and kill us and our kids and die all at the same time."), I am wondering if they could attempt something similar that may be broken separately in the news as simply a car accident that we should be on the look out for.

Thank you, again, for your time.

Note: References are provided on my previous post on this topic.
 
Countem said:
Thank you @Maxxer500 for all of your insight into this horrible situation.

Do you happen to know the make/model of any of Chad’s or Tammy’s vehicles?

I only ask because of footage from California on December 30th of what appears to be a ca. 2005 dark grey Lexus RX 330 driving off of the side of a cliff, and with Lori’s previous discussion of driving off of cliff sides with her children ("It's gonna be the end of the world, and we should all just drive off a cliff and kill us and our kids and die all at the same time."), I am wondering if they could attempt something similar that may be broken separately in the news as simply a car accident that we should be on the look out for.

Thank you, again, for your time.

Note: References are provided on my previous post on this topic.
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Possible connection to that incident:
Central California authorities ask for help in search for missing mother; estranged boyfriend named person of interest

ETA: Apparently a different car model and conflict with timing (suspect signting).
 
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Maxxer500 said:
Hi all, I'm underway writing today's update/response post. As I finish it, I just want to say a few things:

• Arguing whether or not Chad/Lori has been excommunicated is pointless. Our only source is Daily Mail, and whether or not they have been doesn't help locating Joshua or Tylee.

• The LDS Church will likely NEVER make any statement about this case (unless Chad/Lori make false claims that need to be clarified). They have no precedent of doing so, and from what I've read they could face legal trouble if they did. Arguing that they should won't change the fact they won't do it.

• AVOW and PAP are different and separate entities from each other, as well as the LDS Church. Please fact check yourself before implying anything different.

If the previous response post is anything to go off of this one may take me upwards of an hour. Thanks.
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Thank you so much for participating in this discussion/investigation! I have sympathy for all the people grieving their losses and grieving for the missing children right now. Digging deep into LDS religion or whether they excommunicated him seems like we are trying to blame a whole religion even if that is not the intention. I think we have a good variety of commenters here that cover numerous religions, and we can all agree that Lori and Chad are cray-cray at this point, and we all want the children found. Sorry that we got a little off tangent. Let’s get back to the facts and see where they lead us! Thanks again for helping us. It is appreciated!
Oh, one more thing— you mentioned that your family might not love that you are on here. I can tell just by your posts that you are intelligent, caring, compassionate, etc. You make Tammy and your family look great in our eyes! I am glad someone is here representing the good morals that Tammy had. :)
 
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indicolite22 said:
Colby Ryan appeared on Good Morning America today (video): Good Morning America on Twitter

It is said in the video that Colby has no idea if his mother knows the whereabouts of his siblings.
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I feel so terrible for all the peripheral family members who were clearly kept in the dark but are having to absorb all this awful information in the public eye. Good work by the Woodcocks and Colby putting themselves out there and keeping this in the news to try and bring JJ and Tylee home.

My initial hopes that Tylee may have been brainwashed (not the best phrase, but using it anyway) into her mom's extreme beliefs faded rapidly with the news that Lori claimed her daughter had died and Chad stating she had no minor children.

For all this talk of doomsday prepping and cults and all these precipitating events - it seems like there is a specific timeline Lori and Chad believe that they are on beyond a general "the end is coming". I hope LE has some cult/fringe religious movement/doomsday experts look over the AVOW forums for hints on what Chad's visions spell out (to him) as it may give insight into where they are and possibly Tylee and JJ. This all feels too fanatical to be just about money and I am much more concerned with a Jim Jones scenario.
 
Lusitana said:
The argument that Chad's children didn't even met Tylee and Joshua so, we shouldn't even expect them to do or say something doesn't even make sense. Their father married these kids' mother. They are nowhere to be found. Lori said that Tylee died, Chad said that Lori doesn't have any underage children. And the Daybell siblings are not expected to care or be concerned because they never met these kids? Come on. I do agree that talking about them on the internet or having media outlets chasing them is not going to do anything, but LE should be paying close attention to them IF they are really talking to their father. IF they know where he and Lori are, the right thing to do is to tell the truth, not on social media, not to the media, but to LE. Even if Tammy's autopsy reveals that there wasn't any foul play involved, Chad is still on the run from the FBI, with a woman who has a trail of suspicious, weird deaths around her. To me, that is case for concern.
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Exactly. IMO they are some of the few links LE has to work with, as we (ostensibly) know they are in contact with their father through the lawyer. As much pressure as possible (BY LE) and legal should be put on them until a breakthrough is made in locating the kids. MOO.
 
osu said:
There was discussion (3 days ago) from locals under this post on the Rexburg Police Department FB giving the make, model and color of the vehicles Lori and Chad were last known to be driving.

Rexburg Police Department

JMO
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MOO. I hope that the police come out with the official makes and models as soon as possible. The supposed make and model of Chad’s vehicle per that post is awfully similar to the supposed vehicle from the California incident (even though the likelihood that they are related is slim-to-none).
 
Guys I am not yet caught up on all this craziness post holidays. Going back to read but can someone just briefly tell me who Lori told that Tylee died and who Chad told that Lori doesn’t have any minor children? I missed that in my skimming, and that is just OMG crazy crazy crazy. Just wow. TIA!
 
happyday said:
Guys I am not yet caught up on all this craziness post holidays. Going back to read but can someone just briefly tell me who Lori told that Tylee died and who Chad told that Lori doesn’t have any minor children? I missed that in my skimming, and that is just OMG crazy crazy crazy. Just wow. TIA!
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We don't know who they told, just that they said those things.
"We strongly believe that Joshua and Tylee’s lives are in danger. We are aware that in the weeks after Tammy Daybell’s death, Lori Vallow/Daybell and Chad Daybell told witnesses that Lori’s daughter had died a year before the death of her father, which is untrue. Around that same time Chad told another witness that Lori had no minor children."
Read the entire RPD news release on the Daybell investigation | East Idaho News
 
GoneGoldfishin' said:
We don't know who they told, just that they said those things.
"We strongly believe that Joshua and Tylee’s lives are in danger. We are aware that in the weeks after Tammy Daybell’s death, Lori Vallow/Daybell and Chad Daybell told witnesses that Lori’s daughter had died a year before the death of her father, which is untrue. Around that same time Chad told another witness that Lori had no minor children."
Read the entire RPD news release on the Daybell investigation | East Idaho News
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Thank you! That is just really creepy.
 
ur_in_a_cult said:
I'm not sure what I can and can't say....but his name has been mentioned multiple times in the various threads on this topic in WS. I did just do some digger deeping, however, and it appears he was medically retired from the force in 2017. I think maybe earlier on many of us were seeing potential connections where they may be none....however, he was a long-time officer in Chandler, and is a clear part of PAP now. So I don't find it hard to believe the lawyer is in the same circle of people, too.
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I'm not sure who you are referring to, but there is a former policeman that Lori Vallow made podcasts with and I think it was sponsored by Preparing a People. But, I don't see how he could have been involved in investigating the shooting of Charles Vallow to influence it. Also, some seem to be confusing AVOW with Preparing a people. AVOW is a discussion forum ('A Voice Of Warning') and that is where Chad Daybell et al had private discussions. It costs to join AVOW--I think it's about 5$ per month and then there is an additional cost to join the extra private area title GRI. Preparing a People is owned and run by completely different people. They put together conferences or seminars and have speakers and vendors. Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow did some podcasts for them.
 
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